Didn't make it by the end of the weekend, but here is an overview of where I am/who I'm looking for. Adelia Ann Tryon is my Gr Gr grandmother. She married my gr gr grandfather, Lyman Chaffee in Hillsdale Co. MI on Jan 23, 1844. She lists her age as 16 on the certificate, but I think she was lying her age to be married. Both the 1850 and 1860 census are consistant with her being born in 1829 or so. Witnesses to the wedding are Daniel Beeman, Lyman's brother-in-law, and Benjamin Tryon. There are two Benjamin Tryon's in MI at the time, both seemingly connected to each other. Both are also residing in Counties that the newlyweds lived in during the first part of their marraige. To keep them straight, I refer to them as B.P., short for Benjamin Peter, and Benjamin. There is a Benjamin Peter Tryon living in St. Joseph Co. MI, who alternately went by Benjamin or Peter. St. Joseph Co. MI is where Lyman and Adelia lived at the time of the birth of their second child, Peter in 1846. Peter is an unusual name for the Chaffee family and I always assumed it came from the Tryon line. This B.P. Tryon seems allied to the White family, as a Fanny White is living with him in the 1850 census, and he is living with an Amos White in 1860. They could also be allied to the Hopkins family, as the widow of B.P.'s son Henry, Martha (Wing) Tryon, married 2nd, Howard Hopkins and he raised Henry's dau Henrietta. By 1850, Lyman and Adelia were in Allegan Co. MI, where the other Benjamin lived. (Dan and Don think that the two men are father and son). County histories indicate that this Benjamin is a brother -in-law to Calvin Lewis. That means that Calvin's wife Sally was probably a Tryon before the marraige. Sally has died by the 1850 census, however, and Benjamin is living on property probably owned by Nathaniel and Hannah (Cooley) Goodell or one of their siblings. Calvin and his brother ran a hotel. (important later). Shortly after the 1860 census, the family appears in Kent Co. MI, along with Howard Hopkins and Philitus Wood. Philitus was living with Lyman and Adelia on the 1850 census, but I don't know his connection to the family yet. Also in Kent Co. MI was a William A. Tryon, b. 1799 in NY. I don't know his connection to Lyman and Adelia, either, if any. By the 1870 census, two of Lyman's sons, WILLIAM HENRY and PETER were in Newaygo Co. MI. They were running a hotel. In the 1830's, Calvin Lewis had gone up to Newaygo but returned after 6 months. I don't know if they are connected events or not. Right now, I have more questions than answers. Vicki ---------- | From: Dennis J Brevik <dbrevik@ix.netcom.com> | To: Vicki Titus <vtitus@ipa.net> | Subject: Re: Tryon Union Website | Date: Thursday, July 03, 1997 4:06 PM | | Vicki Titus wrote: | > | > You pretty know my interests, but I'll have something for you by the end of | > the weekend. | > | > Vicki | | Well, yes, that's true, only it's best in your own words - straight | from the horse's mouth, and all that old 19th century stuff. | | Thanks, | | Dan

Looking at the deeds and probate info, a couple of questions come to mind. 1. Have you connected the William A Tryon from the Guardianship rolls to anybody. There was a William A. Tryon in Kent Co. MI. He was born April 12, 1799. I assumes he was a son of either David or John Tryon, since he gives his birth as New Lebanon, NY. However..... 2. I wonder if the Oliver Palmer in deed T-12 could really be the Olive Palmer mentioned in the probate of Benjamin Tryon in 1832. 3. Sarles/Sears connection - Do you know if there is such a connection? The reason is kind of long and complicated - Phebe Lamira (Cooper) Tryon's younger sister married a Corydon Sailes/Sarles/Seares. In 1830, Corydon Searles shows up in Essex Co. NY.

It would be nice to see who these Palmers are and to see if they connect to the Joseph Palmer family of Madison Co. NY. Either the Tryon's or one of the allied lines married into that family. (Can't find my notes at the moment - but I think the woman involved was a dau of Joseph Palmer.) Vicki ---------- | From: Donald E Tryon <detryon@fox.nstn.ca> | To: Vicki Titus <vtitus@ipa.net> | Cc: JDGERNON@ix.netcom.com; TRYON-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: Re: Tryon, Roos and Titus | Date: Sunday, July 06, 1997 12:31 AM | | Vicki Titus wrote: | | > Found another name allied to the Tryon family like Rosa, in fact is | > some | > places it in Roosa, at least where it connects to the Titus line. -- | > | > (Funny how that named crept in twice in two days in Tryon | > conversations I | > had). | > | > Reform Dutch Church, Catskill NY - | > Oct 10, 1785, Rebecca Roos was baptized - Father Abraham Roos, | > Mother Lena | > Roos | > WITNESSES PETRIS TREYON, RACHEL TRYON (Benjamin Peter's parents?) | > | > This is the same church that Benjamin Tryon married Susannah Palmer | > in | > 1800. | | Is this the Palmer Family which had the graveyard on their farm in | Greeneville, somewhere in the back of Greene Co? If so, I gave Dan a | copy of a Bible page from the family which mentions a couple of Mary's | & a Susan(nah). Dean, did you speculate in your writing about who may | have married each? Wasn't there a Stephen? involved? That's 1800-1805. | | Don | --- | Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E | 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon | Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield | CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng | 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders | | MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread. | | | |

Vicki Titus wrote: > Found another name allied to the Tryon family like Rosa, in fact is > some > places it in Roosa, at least where it connects to the Titus line. -- > > (Funny how that named crept in twice in two days in Tryon > conversations I > had). > > Reform Dutch Church, Catskill NY - > Oct 10, 1785, Rebecca Roos was baptized - Father Abraham Roos, > Mother Lena > Roos > WITNESSES PETRIS TREYON, RACHEL TRYON (Benjamin Peter's parents?) > > This is the same church that Benjamin Tryon married Susannah Palmer > in > 1800. Is this the Palmer Family which had the graveyard on their farm in Greeneville, somewhere in the back of Greene Co? If so, I gave Dan a copy of a Bible page from the family which mentions a couple of Mary's & a Susan(nah). Dean, did you speculate in your writing about who may have married each? Wasn't there a Stephen? involved? That's 1800-1805. Don --- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread.

Hi Folks, I am trying to piece together the life of the above member of the TRYON Family. He is a descendant, in the 8th generation, of William TRYON of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng. and Wethersfield, CT. He does not appear in the 1881 Census of N. Crosby which shows the following family: George TRYON, b. 1843, ON + Catharine [E. HORNING], b. 1849, of Dutch ethnicity ....Victoria, b.1871 ....Viola, b.1873 ....Edward, b.1876 ....Clista, b.1878 ....Fredrick, b. Jul 1880 (of whom more later) The first record I have of him is in the Perth [ON] Courier, Geneal. Abstracts, p.455, Marriages, on 17 Jan 1908 when, it is reported, he m. Laura Irene BRAY of Almonte [ON]. His place of residence in the article is Saskatoon, with his parents from Westport (N. Crosby) ON. The next contact is when his brother Fred dies in Calgary about 5 Feb 1909, at age 32, "From an affection <sic> of the throat which had been troubling him for some years", and his remains are returned to Saskatoon for burial from Charles' home. Fred had married Mary ROSS in 1905 in Niagara Falls where he had been employed in the printer trade. They had a daughter. Charles was then the proprietor of the Saskatoon "Capital", the local newspaper. The Henderson directory of Saskatoon in 1910 indicates that he was also the manager of "Capital Printing" and resided in the Baldwin Block (an apartment). Since Fred married 3 years before him, he was probably born after his brother Fred and, will turn up in the 1891 census (due in any month now from Ottawa <g>.) I would really appreciate it if someone in Saskatoon could convey a copy of this message to Maxwell A and Judith A Tryon at 1813 37th St (382-3807. Maxwell is 1C1R to Charles. Alternately, you might try Kris Tryon, 2-102 Ave, U.S. (664-305?) Don --- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread.

Has anybody been able to connect this name to the Durham Tryon's? As there was a John Tryon in Madison Co. NY in 1830, where Sally Tryon supposedly married Calvin Lewis, and then a John Trin in Kalamazoo Co. MI after that (1840?), and since Benjamin's widowed dau-in-law married into the Hopkins family, I thought it might be worth a look. The marraige record for this couple in the Presby church in Greenville, NY places his location as Durham. That is where Asa Tryon of CT settled. Vicki

Found another name allied to the Tryon family like Rosa, in fact is some places it in Roosa, at least where it connects to the Titus line. -- (Funny how that named crept in twice in two days in Tryon conversations I had). Reform Dutch Church, Catskill NY - Oct 10, 1785, Rebecca Roos was baptized - Father Abraham Roos, Mother Lena Roos WITNESSES PETRIS TREYON, RACHEL TRYON (Benjamin Peter's parents?) This is the same church that Benjamin Tryon married Susannah Palmer in 1800. The Titus/Roosa marraige was in Ulster Co. NY, right next door, so to speak. I wonder if that is why Titus and Tryon's appear together in Deeds in Greene Co. NY - the Roos/Roosa family. Vicki ---------- | From: JDGERNON@ix.netcom.com | To: vtitus@ipa.net | Subject: TRYONS | Date: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 10:15 PM SNIP | | Mercy Ann's last name may have been Rosa. Can't recall where I picked that | up. | SNIP | | Dean Gernon |

May see you on-line, Don --- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread.

I would like to include a short description from all interested parties regarding their specific interests in the Tryon family so I can post it to the website. It would be included in the section "Contributors". I'm hoping that encourages casual browsers to contact anyone who appears to be studying their line, thus getting another source of information for each of us. Frankly, I don't know what kind of format to use, so you're on your own and I'll take whatever you give. Dan

From what I can figure out, there are several early groups of Tryon's in NY. 1. The Greene Co. NY group - Benjamin/Jochem/Peter et al 2. Orange Co NY group - Eluid 3. Columbia/Albany Co group - John Tryon and sons Wright and Solomon 4. A Thomas Tryon, who may or may be not be connected to the Orange Co. group since a Thomas appears in early records there. - The reason I am looking at these four groups is to try to explain a couple of oddities. The Hopkins and Wing lines allied with the Greene Co. NY group in MI (St. Joseph Co. MI), were in Washtenaw Co. MI before they were in St. Joseph Co. MI. I looked at Washtenaw Co. MI and found the following widow/old maid Tryons. 1. Lamira Phebe (Cooper) Tryon who married Elkanah Downer in 1845. She was 38 in 1850, born in 1812 in Addison Co. VT, but was probably in NY by 1830, as some of her siblings show up there. 2. Mary Tryan age 84, born NY with a Catherine Tryan, age 60 b. NY. They might be connected, as they were in Lodi and Lodi is where the Downers lived. Judging from the age span, it could be three different generations? Is there a Mary who married into any of the above NY families during the mid 1780's or 90's? My records don't show any. There isn't any Catherine's except for the Catherine who was the wife of Jochem/John Tryon in Greene Co. NY, she was born in the 1740's. Besides, her mother in law was Elizabeth. 3. A Helen Tryon b. 1837 MI was living with the Blewett family. I can find no MI connection between the two families, however. Also, the Tryon men listed on the 1840 census with dau under 5 are easily tracable as both are written up in county histories. Rodulphus Tryon of Washtenaw Co. was in Mass until 1810, as were his desc. (obviously).

I've sent this letter to both you and the mailing list, so you can probably pick up the address from there and add it to your address book. That Sally (Tryon) Lewis is a sister to the Benjamin Tryon of Allegan Co. MI is a given, and is stated in all sorts of county histories. According to her grave marker, she was born 14 Jan 1813. Adelia Tryon is a little harder to track down. All I have connecting her to Benjamin Tryon is the fact that a Benjamin Tryon witnessed her wedding in Hillsdale Co. MI in 1844. Also, she and her husband Lyman seemed to follow Benjamin Tryon into Allegan Co. MI, after living in St. Joseph Co. MI for the first few years of their marraige. She was born circa 1829 and died sometime after 1860, when her last child was born. Deed records seem to put the date closer to 1862, but since deeds can lay around for a while before they are acted on and/or not get filed, I sometimes distrust the dates on them. I haven't found her grave marker yet. Since Sally married a man from Madison Co. NY, I took a long look at the William there who died in 1833. I suspected at one point that he may be the William of Greene Co. NY who was born to John and Catherine (Van Slyck) Tryon. Now, I just don't know. The William of Madison Co. NY died in 1833 would have a dau the right age to be Adelia, but some researchers but him in the Saybrook group. William Tryon 1830 NY Madison Lenox p313 00100001 10000010 John Tryon 1830 NY Madison Lenox p338 0002001 0100401 Peter Tryon 1840 NY Madison Lenox p018 00001 11001 Here is what I have on Benjamin Peter Tryon of St. Joseph Co. MI 1845 info Benjamin St. Jo Mendon 032 010102-010102 this confirms 2 of each gender living the household (last # in each grp). 1 adult, 1 child - kids would probably be Henry and Drusilla. Where is Fanny? Adults 45-75. 1850 info Benjamin P St.Jo Mendon 372r age 63 b. NY farmer w/ Mercy 51 b NY Fanny White age 26 NY Henry 20 NY Drusilla age 16 NY Laird Cemetery St. Joseph Co. MI (all next to each other) Benjamin P. Tryon d. Oct 8, 1862 age 80 Henry son B.P. and M.A. d. Mar 4, 1855 @23y 10m Mercy Ann wife B.P. Tryon d. Apr 17, 1857 @67y. Amanda Terry, dau R & D Terry d. Sep 29, 1862 @4,10,15 Charles L.Terry, son of R & D d. Aug 20, 1865 @1,11,28 Clara J. Terry, son of R & D Terry, d. Sept 9, 1865 Ransom S. Terry, 1817-1875 Drusilla S. his wife 1835-1895 St. Joseph Co marr records. Drusilla Tryon m. Ranson Terry in Mendon, Apr 20, 1851 at Benj. P. Tryons Mar rec Vol A p 78. witn=Benj P. Tryon & Fanny White I suspect that Benjamin Peter Tryon may be the Peter Tryon living in Mendon TWP in 1860 with the Amos White family. He died before the 1870 census. Another tie in for Adelia with this group is the fact that Henry's dau, Henrietta, seems to be travelling with Lyman and Adelia, or at least living in the same area. Henry's wife, Martha (Wing) Tryon m2 Howard Hopkins, and we find them living in the same TWP in Kent Co. MI with Lyman and Adelia's grown kids after Adelia's death. The 1862 deed places Lyman and Adelia as residents of that county. Also in the TWP is Philitus Woods, who was living with Lyman and Adelia in 1850 (I have no idea how he fits in yet). The Wing and Hopkins families were in Washtenaw Co. before they were in St. Joseph Co. MI. Lyman's people were in Hillsdale/Lenawee Co. before St. Joseph. Several Tryon widows and orphans appear in these counties and I am also trying to track them down to prove how they connect. I can send you my MI database, if you would like. Vicki ---------- | From: JDGERNON@ix.netcom.com | To: vtitus@ipa.net | Subject: Benjamin Tryon | Date: Sunday, June 29, 1997 5:11 PM | | I tried to answer an old query of yours but evidently you have changed e- | mail providers. I have Benjamin Peter Tryon Bpt. 21 May, 1785 at | Coxsackie, NY. From various censuses and other documents he had 9 | children. Identified are Peter (m. Sarah Stevens)b. 2 Apr 1814,Benjamin | b. 1815, Rachel (m. Bradford Sheldon) b. 1817, Francis (m. ? White)b. | 1824,Henry b. 1830, Dusilla (Priscilla ?) b. 1834. Unidentified females | b. 1804-10, b. 1810, b. 1818-20. Benj. P. Was in Tioga and Tompkins | Counties (NY) up through the 1840 census. Then in St. Joseph 1n 1850. I | found him in a special census in 1854 but don't know where he went. I | think he moved on because his son Benjamin disappeared fron Allegan Co. | at the same time. Benj. P.'s wife was Mercy from a deed. His father was | Peter and grandfather was Benjamin. Peter had a brother Benjamin who had | a grandson Benjamin b. 1813 in Greene Co. NY. You may be confusing the | two. There were so many Benjamins and Peters through the generations, it | was hard to distinguish them all. Benj. (1813) married Jane Smith and was | the father of Admiral Rufus Tryon, whose letters I have. I have nothing | on Adelia or Sally. Do you have ages that might fit some of Benjamin | unidentified daughters. | I have too much on these people for an e-mail. If you will send me | your mailing address, I will send you family group sheets as a start. | I tried to contact the tryon web site at TRYON-L@rootsweb.com with | no success. At rootsweb.com I couldn't find where to go to get to Tryon. | Any suggestions? | Dean Gernon at jdgernon@ix.netcom.com |

And, the dead arose and ... I don't know if your MS Mail has a gopher server built in, Vicki, but that's what you'll need to access the site. I've attached a short, quite redundant note on a Tryon search of the Newspaper archives. Good to hear from you. Does this mean that school overload is over?<g> Don --- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread. Tryon, Mr. Assaulted farmer OSWEGO DAILY PALLADIUM 10/15/1856 Pg 2 Col 5 Tryon, Morris In Pulaski; on Dec. 17, 1848 married Martha Carr Rev. Cane OSWEGO PALLADIUM 1/ 2/1849 Pg 3 Col 2 Carr, Martha In Pulaski; on Dec. 17, 1848 married Morris Tryon Rev. Crane OSWEGO PALLADIUM 1/ 2/1849 Pg 3 Col 2 Crane, Rev. Mr. In Pulaski; Dec. 17, 1848 married Morris Tryon to Martha Car OSWEGO PALLADIUM 1/ 2/1849 Pg 3 Col 2

I can't seem to bring this sites search index up, but then, it could be the way my Machine is configured. I thought I would page it on, in case someone else could get to it. Vicki ---------- | From: Sharon <todt@community.net> | To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com | Cc: jhoffman@tusco.net | Subject: OSWEGO NEWSPAPER INDEX | Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 2:26 AM | | Hi All! | I don't know if this has been posted before, but I just came across it | and it is such a interesting site, I thought I would post it. | | gopher://gopher.oswego.edu:70/11/library/speccoll | | It contains the Oswego Newspaper Index with citations and descriptions of | articles appearing in locally published newspapers from 1839 thru 1856. | Citations and descriptions appearing between 1857 and 1900 are included, | but are at present partially complete. This is a searchable database. | -- | Sharon Todtenbier | todt@community.net | Vacaville, Ca, USA | | ======================== GEN-NYS-L Mailing List ======================== | Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? | Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt |

I will try it as soon as I get my local netscape number to work now that I am back from Canada. Dick

Try it, hopefully you'll like it ---- http://www.tryon-union.com/ THIS SITE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!! Dan

JDGERNON@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Dennis-I saw your entry on Tryon on the Rand Genealogy Club site. I have > Tryons in Greene County, NY 1765-1850. They start with Benjamin Tryon > who first appeared in Dutch Reformed Church records in 1765 with the > baptisim of a daughter, Elizabeth. He had sons Benjamin and Peter. I am > familiar with the Tryons of Wethersfield CT but cannot connect this > bunch to CT. There are, however many dangling lines in Richard Tryon's > book, and maybe they do connect. But it is interesting that the > Coxsackie Tryons all married Dutch wives. There was another Tryon family > living in Durham, Greene County at the same time and they are definitely > from the CT line. But they apparently had no connection to my Coxsackie > family. If you would like further info on these people I would be happy > to send it along. You also mentioned MI as place of residence. One of > the Coxsackie Tryons went to Mendon, MI where I lost track of him in > 1854-1860. He was Benjamin Peter and I believe a direct ancestor through > Rachel who married Bradford Sheldon of Oswego, NY. If you have any info > on this particular family I would appreciate hearing from you. > Dean Gernon e-mail jdgernon@ix.netcom.com Good to hear from you. We've been searching for you for some time now. Please join the Tryon discussion list at TRYON-L@rootsweb.com I'm sure you'll be happy to discover a bunch of genealogists concentrating on the Tryon family. We soon will have a web page up as well. Watch for the announcement. Now to the Tryons - no, the Benjamin Coxsackie family does not (yet) connect to the CT Tryons. I'm sure I speak for all when I say we would be happy to consolidate all Tryon data, including yours, of course. I have some of your previous work, which Don Tryon passed on to me. Vicki Titus in particular will be wanting to talk to you. She is chasing the same branch, only from the Michigan clan trailing back to New York. Please stay in touch. I have posted your mail on the TRYON-L mail list, and have forwarded to to Vicki and Don as well. Welcome! Dan

Dean Gernon is known as an active Tryon genealogist. It's good to hear from him. Maybe he'll join the list. Dan

What's taken them so long? --- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread.

What's taken them so long? --- Donald Edric TRYON....Son of Clarence L of Edric M of Clarence E 89 Hillside Rd.......Son of Andrew Jackson of Simeon II of Simeon Albert Bridge, NS...Son of James of Ziba of William of Wethersfield CANADA B0A 1P0...Son of William of Bibury, Gloucestershire, Eng 902-567-2633......Descendant of William TRIOEN of Wulverghem, Flanders MAILTO:detryon@fox.nstn.ca but, please use Reply To: for thread.

email: billmacd@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Donald E Tryon wrote: > Goodday Bill, > > > You wrote: > > > I am replying to your query re: TRYONs of North Crosby. > > Was this on the Lanark County Gen Soc Home Page? I just got a note > back from Dave MacKenzie that the routing was repaired. > > > We make extensive use of WinZIP/PKZip to transfer data on-line and are > able to accept most WP, Family Tree Maker (DOS/WIN), Brother's Keeper > and a few other's files. I have ordered PAF3.0/DOS as an improvement > on 2.31 and the price is very right (US$15 + 2). > Do you want me to send my files in GEDCOM. I use Brothers Keeper 5.2. I have never attempted this and so bear with me. Some instructions might help. Especially uploading. I have the manual for BK5.2 and I have winzip so I think I can get that far. My experience so far has been limited to email and newsgroups. Bill MacDonald MacDonald,MacPherson,NS; Tryon,Sheldon, McGuire,Sinclair,ON