Werner, Thanks for your info on the very early 1842-1857 immigrants from Trier. For 16 years I have been trying to trace my wife's KISCH ancestors, supposedly from Trier. Here is all the info I have: KISCH; KIESCH; KISH, Antoinette (mother) & Catherine (daughter). Antoinette [maiden name unknown] KISCH, born 1811? [15 Jan 1873 obituary reads, "aged 61 years" ]. Catherine/"Kate" KISCH, born "February 24, 1840, Trier, Germany." [funeral card]. [Same date on her gravestone.] [For another birth year, see 1900 Census below.] "... born in Trier, Germany, February 24, eighty-five years ago and came to this country with her parents when ten years old. For two years the family lived in Syracuse [Onondaga County], N.Y. Since that time Mrs. OETH has been a resident of Dubuque." [obituary, March 1925] [NOTE: Dubuque is just across the Mississippi River from Wisconsin.] 1860 Census -- "Catherine KEISH"; age "19"; "Place of birth" - "Prussia" [she was living with the "Thomas & Mary FAHRTY" family in Dubuque. Thomas was "age 30, born in Wisconsin," and Mary was "age 28, born in Ohio." They had three children - Alma (4), Anastasia (3), and John (1). I don't know for sure if this is my Catherine; I don't know this family.] Married Peter OETH, St. Mary Catholic Church, Dubuque, 9 Mar 1861. 1880 Census -- age "34"; "Place of Birth" - "Prussia". 1900 Census -- age "59"; "born Feb 1841"; "Germany"; "Year of immigration" - [nothing entered]; "Years in the U.S." - M" [a mark that looks like an "M" but probably means she couldn't remember. Other persons on this page have years entered.] 1910 Census - age "69"; "Year of immigration" - "1850"? "1853"? [I cannot read the handwriting.] 1920 Census - age "79"; "Place of birth" -- "Germany"; "Year of immigration" - "M"; "Years in the U.S" - "M". The name of Catherine's father is not known, nor the dates and places of his birth, marriage and death. Antoinette and ? KISCH may have had at least two children -- Catherine/"Kate" (b.1840/41), and Maria/Mary (b. c1847). NOTE: In a Dubuque birth/baptismal record, Catherine/"Kate" [KISCH] OETH named her first daughter "Maria Catherine" (godmother: "A. Maria Kiesch"). In another Dubuque birth/baptismal record, a Maria/Mary ["KISH"] SAUTER named her first daughter "Katie." Perhaps Catherine/"Kate" [KISCH] OETH and A. Maria/Mary ["KISH"] SAUTER were sisters. Catherine [KISCH] OETH named her first child (a son) "William". Maria/Mary [KISH] SAUTER named her first son "William". Perhaps (if Catherine & Mary were sisters) they named their first sons after their deceased father. The SAUTER family is in the 1870 Dubuque Co. Federal Census, but not any of the future censuses (I think I have traced them to Perry Co., Ohio; although I have not found an obit for Maria/Mary). -------------------------------- I have not been able to document this KISCH family in Trier, or in Syracuse; or on a passenger list. I have searched many variations of this surname, including those with "R" such as KIRSCH. However, I do not recall seeing "KIRSCH" in any of the family records. Perhaps this KISCH family came from near Trier; perhaps even from Luxembourg. My wife and I have 24 immigrant ancestors. I have traced 22 to their hometowns in Europe. I have not been able to trace KISCH. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dk/danielpg.htm