Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:06:06 EST From: Yns1964@aol.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com I had my grandmother's line done-Schonecken-Eifel, Germany, Neuerburg, Germany- I think these may be north of Trier. Neuerburg is in the Bitburg area. In the US, you can join existing DNA surname groups to find out if you share a lineage. Was hoping to find similar groups in my grandfather's area around Orscholz. Mike Fox Someone was looking for Wagners/Wageners. Here's my lineage back from my Great-grandmother. Theiß Wagener (2557), b. before 1695 +Maria (--?--) (2558), m. before 1695 ├── Lutwin Wagener (2559), d. 3 Apr 1731 at Saarland, Germany │ +Margaretha Kamer (2560), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Jan 1695 at Saarland, Germany, d. after 1731 at Saarland, Germany ├── Johnnes Wagener (2561) ├── Mathias Wagener (2541), d. 18 Jul 1734 at Saarland, Germany │ +Maria (--?--) (2543), m. before 1696 │ └── Margaretha Wagener (2544), b. 29 May 1696 at Saarland, Germany │ +Margaretha (--?--) (2542), b. 1674 at Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Feb 1699 at Saarland, Germany, d. before 3 Jun 1720 at Saarland, Germany │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2528), b. 3 Feb 1701 at Germany │ │ +Anna Neises (2529), b. 29 Mar 1706 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. 5 Feb 1730 at Saarland, Germany │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagener (2531), b. 6 Dec 1730 at Saarland, Germany, d. 4 Apr 1808 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Maria Kerber (2532), b. 23 Sep 1736 at Saarland, Germany, d. 29 Nov 1785 at Saarland, Germany │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2534), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, Germany │ │ ├── Heinrich Wagener (2533), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, Germany │ │ ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2535), b. 15 Mar 1735 at Saarland, Germany │ │ ├── Anna Wagener (2536), b. 1 May 1740 at Saarland, Germany, d. 31 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Jacob Funk (2537), m. circa 1774 │ │ ├── Wilhelm Wagener (2515), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, Germany, d. 2 Jan 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ +Elisabeth Berendts (2517), b. 8 Jun 1735, m. 17 Jan 1764, d. 4 Nov 1776 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ └── Wilhelm Wagener (2519), b. 10 May 1765 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 7 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Catharina Adeller (2520), b. 8 Mar 1773 at Saarland, Germany, m. 2 Feb 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Dec 1802 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Catharina Beaumand (2521), b. 4 Apr 1778 at Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Nov 1802 at Saarland, Germany, d. 29 Mar 1825 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Catharina TüRCK (2516), b. 31 Oct 1743 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. 9 Feb 1768 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 30 Jun 1773 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2522), b. 23 Sep 1769 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 23 Dec 1770 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2501), b. 1 Oct 1771 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 2 Oct 1829 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Catharina LaMotte (2502), b. 11 Dec 1777 at Saarland, Germany, m. 18 Jan 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 22 Jul 1832 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2503), b. 23 Jan 1799 at Saarland, Germany, d. 11 Apr 1832 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Kohn (2504), m. 1 Aug 1820 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagner (2505), b. 9 Jun 1800 at Saarland, Germany, d. 23 Aug 1846 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ +Katharina Johannes (2506), b. circa 1800 at Saarland, Germany, m. 12 Jan 1825 at Saarland, Germany, d. after 1853 at France │ │ │ ├── Peter Wagner (2507), b. 23 Sep 1802 at Saarland, Germany, d. 12 Feb 1803 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2508), b. 15 Jun 1804 at Saarland, Germany, d. 8 Aug 1870 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Gaid (2509), m. 5 Feb 1841 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ ├── Jacob Wagner (2496), b. 14 Sep 1806 at Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Jan 1833 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ +Maria Lambert (2497), b. 29 Sep 1808 at Saarland, Germany, m. 3 Jan 1829 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Jul 1887 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ ├── (--?--) Wagner (2498), b. Jul 1829, d. 1 Jul 1829 │ │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2499), b. 2 Jun 1830 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ │ +Peter Schmitt (2500), m. 3 Jan 1849 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ │ └── Catharina Wagner (97), b. 13 Dec 1832 at Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Dec 1892 at WI │ │ │ │ +unknown spouse │ │ │ │ └── Maria Wagner (2495), b. 28 Aug 1862 at Saarland, Germany, d. 5 Dec 1863 │ │ │ │ +Jonas Fox (76), b. 18 Aug 1826 at Saarland, Germany, m. 17 May 1864 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 3 May 1885 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ ├── Peter Fox (820), b. 15 Apr 1865 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Aug 1866 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ ├── John Fox (330), b. 20 Oct 1867 at Treves, Prussia, d. 18 Mar 1924 at WI │ │ │ │ │ +Mathilda Gruenke (441), b. 16 Mar 1876 at Posen, Poland, m. 21 Apr 1896 at WI, d. 26 May 1948 │ │ │ ├── Anton Wagner (2510), b. 17 Sep 1808 at Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Feb 1894 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ │ +Magdalena Michel (2511), b. 23 Aug 1814 at Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Jan 1834 at Saarland, Germany, d. 27 Dec 1871 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ ├── Anna Wagner (2530), b. 23 Mar 1811 at Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Apr 1819 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2512), b. 31 Aug 1813 at Saarland, Germany, d. 18 Sep 1814 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagner (2513), b. 13 Dec 1814 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ └── Margretha Wagener (3684), b. 28 Dec 1816 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +Eva Tuya (2518), b. 1 Dec 1747 at Saarland, Germany, m. 19 May 1774 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagener (2523), b. circa 1775 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 12 Dec 1831 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ │ +Johannes Cartes (2524), m. circa 1802 │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagener (2525), d. 24 Dec 1804 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2526), b. 28 Sep 1786 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 31 Dec 1804 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ │ └── Nicolas Wagener (2527), b. 6 Jun 1789 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2538), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, Germany, d. 29 Jan 1806 at Saarland, Germany │ │ │ +unknown spouse │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2539), b. 28 Jun 1746 at Saarland, d. 8 Jun 1805 at Saarland, Germany │ │ +Maria Leinen (2540), b. 19 Sep 1738 at Saarland, Germany, m. circa 1769, d. 11 Jan 1797 at Saarland, Germany │ ├── Barbara Wagener (2545), b. 14 Feb 1704 at Saarland, Germany │ │ +Mathias DHüR (2546), m. 1727 at Saarland, Germany │ ├── Peter Wagener (2547), b. 31 Mar 1707 at Saarland, Germany │ ├── Johann Peter Wagener (2548), b. 26 Sep 1708 at Saarland, Germany │ ├── Michael Wagener (2549), b. 24 Feb 1711 at Saarland, Germany, d. 16 Dec 1777 at Saarland, Germany │ │ +Margaretha Neyses (2550), b. 17 Aug 1715 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. 16 Feb 1738 at Saarland, Germany, d. 14 Apr 1776 at Saarland, Germany │ ├── Maria Wagener (2551), b. 30 Sep 1713 at Saarland, Germany │ │ +Johannes Mundlach (2552), m. 16 Sep 1732 at Saarland, Germany │ └── Nicolaus Wagener (2553), b. at Saarland, Germany, d. before 1756 at Saarland, Germany │ +Margaretha Zehren (2554), b. 9 Mar 1721 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. circa 1745/46, d. 24 Mar 1776 at Saarland, Germany │ +Margaretha Temmels? (2555), b. at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. circa 1721/22, d. after 1734 at Saarland, Germany │ └── Anna Catharina Wagener (2556), b. 27 Jul 1722 at Saarland, Germany ├── Peter Wagener (2563), d. circa 1753 at Saarland, Germany │ +Margaretha Barthel (2564), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. circa 1711/12 at Saarland, Germany, d. 7 Mar 1753 at Saarland, Germany ├── Angela Wagener (2565) ├── Magaretha Wagener (2566) ├── Maria Wagener (2571) │ +Theiß Massen (2572), m. before 1673 ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2568), d. circa 1742 at Saarland, Germany │ +Johannes Cammer (2569), m. before 1698 ├── Barbara Wagener (2570) └── Maria Wagener (2567), b. at Saarland, Germany