http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=dsammy01&id=I26 You can see I have the same Wagener line. By the way Saarland is not a town. It is a State within Federal Republic of Germany since 1952. Prior to that, part of Rheinland-Pfalz from 1945. Before that - just Rheinland all the way back to 1815. Before 1815, splintered into many small duchies and principalities, even through the Family History Library Catalog consider 1871 as the focal point to determine the provinces (when Kingdom of Prussia became the German Empire). David Samuelsen > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:06:06 EST > From: Yns1964@aol.com > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? > To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com > > I had my grandmother's line done-Schonecken-Eifel, Germany, Neuerburg, > Germany- I think these may be north of Trier. Neuerburg is in the > Bitburg area. > > > In the US, you can join existing DNA surname groups to find out if you > share a lineage. Was hoping to find similar groups in my grandfather's > area around Orscholz. > > Mike Fox > > Someone was looking for Wagners/Wageners. Here's my lineage back from my > Great-grandmother. > > Theiß Wagener (2557), b. before 1695 > +Maria (--?--) (2558), m. before 1695 > ├── Lutwin Wagener (2559), d. 3 Apr 1731 at Saarland, Germany > │ +Margaretha Kamer (2560), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Jan 1695 at > Saarland, Germany, d. after 1731 at Saarland, Germany > ├── Johnnes Wagener (2561) > ├── Mathias Wagener (2541), d. 18 Jul 1734 at Saarland, Germany > │ +Maria (--?--) (2543), m. before 1696 > │ └── Margaretha Wagener (2544), b. 29 May 1696 at Saarland, > Germany > │ +Margaretha (--?--) (2542), b. 1674 at Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Feb > 1699 at Saarland, Germany, d. before 3 Jun 1720 at Saarland, Germany > │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2528), b. 3 Feb 1701 at Germany > │ │ +Anna Neises (2529), b. 29 Mar 1706 at Rheinland Pfalz, > Germany, m. 5 Feb 1730 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagener (2531), b. 6 Dec 1730 at Saarland, > Germany, d. 4 Apr 1808 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Maria Kerber (2532), b. 23 Sep 1736 at Saarland, > Germany, d. 29 Nov 1785 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2534), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, > Germany > │ │ ├── Heinrich Wagener (2533), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, > Germany > │ │ ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2535), b. 15 Mar 1735 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ ├── Anna Wagener (2536), b. 1 May 1740 at Saarland, > Germany, d. 31 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Jacob Funk (2537), m. circa 1774 > │ │ ├── Wilhelm Wagener (2515), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, > Germany, d. 2 Jan 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ +Elisabeth Berendts (2517), b. 8 Jun 1735, m. 17 Jan > 1764, d. 4 Nov 1776 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ └── Wilhelm Wagener (2519), b. 10 May 1765 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 7 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Catharina Adeller (2520), b. 8 Mar 1773 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 2 Feb 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Dec 1802 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Catharina Beaumand (2521), b. 4 Apr 1778 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Nov 1802 at Saarland, Germany, d. 29 Mar 1825 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Catharina TüRCK (2516), b. 31 Oct 1743 at Rheinland > Pfalz, Germany, m. 9 Feb 1768 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 30 Jun 1773 > at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2522), b. 23 Sep 1769 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 23 Dec 1770 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2501), b. 1 Oct 1771 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 2 Oct 1829 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Catharina LaMotte (2502), b. 11 Dec 1777 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 18 Jan 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 22 Jul 1832 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2503), b. 23 Jan 1799 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 11 Apr 1832 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Kohn (2504), m. 1 Aug 1820 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagner (2505), b. 9 Jun 1800 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 23 Aug 1846 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ +Katharina Johannes (2506), b. circa 1800 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 12 Jan 1825 at Saarland, Germany, d. after 1853 at > France > │ │ │ ├── Peter Wagner (2507), b. 23 Sep 1802 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 12 Feb 1803 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2508), b. 15 Jun 1804 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 8 Aug 1870 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Gaid (2509), m. 5 Feb 1841 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Jacob Wagner (2496), b. 14 Sep 1806 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Jan 1833 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ +Maria Lambert (2497), b. 29 Sep 1808 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 3 Jan 1829 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Jul 1887 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ ├── (--?--) Wagner (2498), b. Jul 1829, > d. 1 Jul 1829 > │ │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2499), b. 2 Jun 1830 > at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ │ +Peter Schmitt (2500), m. 3 Jan 1849 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ │ └── Catharina Wagner (97), b. 13 Dec > 1832 at Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Dec 1892 at WI > │ │ │ │ +unknown spouse > │ │ │ │ └── Maria Wagner (2495), b. 28 Aug > 1862 at Saarland, Germany, d. 5 Dec 1863 > │ │ │ │ +Jonas Fox (76), b. 18 Aug 1826 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 17 May 1864 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 3 May > 1885 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ ├── Peter Fox (820), b. 15 Apr 1865 > at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Aug 1866 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ ├── John Fox (330), b. 20 Oct 1867 > at Treves, Prussia, d. 18 Mar 1924 at WI > │ │ │ │ │ +Mathilda Gruenke (441), b. 16 Mar > 1876 at Posen, Poland, m. 21 Apr 1896 at WI, d. 26 May 1948 > │ │ │ ├── Anton Wagner (2510), b. 17 Sep 1808 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Feb 1894 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ │ +Magdalena Michel (2511), b. 23 Aug 1814 at > Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Jan 1834 at Saarland, Germany, d. 27 Dec 1871 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Anna Wagner (2530), b. 23 Mar 1811 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Apr 1819 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2512), b. 31 Aug 1813 at > Saarland, Germany, d. 18 Sep 1814 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagner (2513), b. 13 Dec 1814 at > Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ └── Margretha Wagener (3684), b. 28 Dec 1816 > at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +Eva Tuya (2518), b. 1 Dec 1747 at Saarland, Germany, m. > 19 May 1774 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, > Germany > │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagener (2523), b. circa 1775 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 12 Dec 1831 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ │ +Johannes Cartes (2524), m. circa 1802 > │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagener (2525), d. 24 Dec 1804 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2526), b. 28 Sep 1786 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 31 Dec 1804 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ │ └── Nicolas Wagener (2527), b. 6 Jun 1789 at > Rheinland Pfalz, Germany > │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2538), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, > Germany, d. 29 Jan 1806 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ │ +unknown spouse > │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2539), b. 28 Jun 1746 at Saarland, d. > 8 Jun 1805 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ +Maria Leinen (2540), b. 19 Sep 1738 at Saarland, Germany, > m. circa 1769, d. 11 Jan 1797 at Saarland, Germany > │ ├── Barbara Wagener (2545), b. 14 Feb 1704 at Saarland, > Germany > │ │ +Mathias DHüR (2546), m. 1727 at Saarland, Germany > │ ├── Peter Wagener (2547), b. 31 Mar 1707 at Saarland, Germany > │ ├── Johann Peter Wagener (2548), b. 26 Sep 1708 at Saarland, > Germany > │ ├── Michael Wagener (2549), b. 24 Feb 1711 at Saarland, > Germany, d. 16 Dec 1777 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ +Margaretha Neyses (2550), b. 17 Aug 1715 at Rheinland Pfalz, > Germany, m. 16 Feb 1738 at Saarland, Germany, d. 14 Apr 1776 at Saarland, > Germany > │ ├── Maria Wagener (2551), b. 30 Sep 1713 at Saarland, Germany > │ │ +Johannes Mundlach (2552), m. 16 Sep 1732 at Saarland, Germany > │ └── Nicolaus Wagener (2553), b. at Saarland, Germany, d. > before 1756 at Saarland, Germany > │ +Margaretha Zehren (2554), b. 9 Mar 1721 at Rheinland Pfalz, > Germany, m. circa 1745/46, d. 24 Mar 1776 at Saarland, Germany > │ +Margaretha Temmels? (2555), b. at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. > circa 1721/22, d. after 1734 at Saarland, Germany > │ └── Anna Catharina Wagener (2556), b. 27 Jul 1722 at Saarland, > Germany > ├── Peter Wagener (2563), d. circa 1753 at Saarland, Germany > │ +Margaretha Barthel (2564), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. circa > 1711/12 at Saarland, Germany, d. 7 Mar 1753 at Saarland, Germany > ├── Angela Wagener (2565) > ├── Magaretha Wagener (2566) > ├── Maria Wagener (2571) > │ +Theiß Massen (2572), m. before 1673 > ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2568), d. circa 1742 at Saarland, Germany > │ +Johannes Cammer (2569), m. before 1698 > ├── Barbara Wagener (2570) > └── Maria Wagener (2567), b. at Saarland, Germany > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

W David Samuelsen schrieb: > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=dsammy01&id=I26 > > You can see I have the same Wagener line. > > By the way Saarland is not a town. It is a State within Federal Republic > of Germany since 1952. Prior to that, part of Rheinland-Pfalz from 1945. > Before that - just Rheinland all the way back to 1815. Before 1815, > splintered into many small duchies and principalities, even through the > Family History Library Catalog consider 1871 as the focal point to > determine the provinces (when Kingdom of Prussia became the German > Empire). > > David Samuelsen > > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:06:06 EST >> From: Yns1964@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? >> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com >> >> I had my grandmother's line done-Schonecken-Eifel, Germany, Neuerburg, >> Germany- I think these may be north of Trier. Neuerburg is in the >> Bitburg area. >> >> >> In the US, you can join existing DNA surname groups to find out if you >> share a lineage. Was hoping to find similar groups in my grandfather's >> area around Orscholz. >> >> Mike Fox >> >> Someone was looking for Wagners/Wageners. Here's my lineage back from my >> Great-grandmother. >> >> Theiß Wagener (2557), b. before 1695 >> +Maria (--?--) (2558), m. before 1695 >> ├── Lutwin Wagener (2559), d. 3 Apr 1731 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Kamer (2560), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Jan 1695 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. after 1731 at Saarland, Germany >> ├── Johnnes Wagener (2561) >> ├── Mathias Wagener (2541), d. 18 Jul 1734 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Maria (--?--) (2543), m. before 1696 >> │ └── Margaretha Wagener (2544), b. 29 May 1696 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ +Margaretha (--?--) (2542), b. 1674 at Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Feb >> 1699 at Saarland, Germany, d. before 3 Jun 1720 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2528), b. 3 Feb 1701 at Germany >> │ │ +Anna Neises (2529), b. 29 Mar 1706 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany, m. 5 Feb 1730 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagener (2531), b. 6 Dec 1730 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 4 Apr 1808 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Maria Kerber (2532), b. 23 Sep 1736 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 29 Nov 1785 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2534), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ │ ├── Heinrich Wagener (2533), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ │ ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2535), b. 15 Mar 1735 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ ├── Anna Wagener (2536), b. 1 May 1740 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 31 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Jacob Funk (2537), m. circa 1774 >> │ │ ├── Wilhelm Wagener (2515), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 2 Jan 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ +Elisabeth Berendts (2517), b. 8 Jun 1735, m. 17 Jan >> 1764, d. 4 Nov 1776 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Wilhelm Wagener (2519), b. 10 May 1765 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 7 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina Adeller (2520), b. 8 Mar 1773 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 2 Feb 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Dec 1802 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina Beaumand (2521), b. 4 Apr 1778 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Nov 1802 at Saarland, Germany, d. 29 Mar 1825 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina TüRCK (2516), b. 31 Oct 1743 at Rheinland >> Pfalz, Germany, m. 9 Feb 1768 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 30 Jun 1773 >> at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2522), b. 23 Sep 1769 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 23 Dec 1770 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2501), b. 1 Oct 1771 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 2 Oct 1829 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina LaMotte (2502), b. 11 Dec 1777 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 18 Jan 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 22 Jul 1832 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2503), b. 23 Jan 1799 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 11 Apr 1832 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Kohn (2504), m. 1 Aug 1820 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagner (2505), b. 9 Jun 1800 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 23 Aug 1846 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Katharina Johannes (2506), b. circa 1800 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 12 Jan 1825 at Saarland, Germany, d. after 1853 at >> France >> │ │ │ ├── Peter Wagner (2507), b. 23 Sep 1802 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 12 Feb 1803 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2508), b. 15 Jun 1804 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 8 Aug 1870 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Gaid (2509), m. 5 Feb 1841 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Jacob Wagner (2496), b. 14 Sep 1806 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Jan 1833 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Maria Lambert (2497), b. 29 Sep 1808 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 3 Jan 1829 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Jul 1887 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ ├── (--?--) Wagner (2498), b. Jul 1829, >> d. 1 Jul 1829 >> │ │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2499), b. 2 Jun 1830 >> at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ │ +Peter Schmitt (2500), m. 3 Jan 1849 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ │ └── Catharina Wagner (97), b. 13 Dec >> 1832 at Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Dec 1892 at WI >> │ │ │ │ +unknown spouse >> │ │ │ │ └── Maria Wagner (2495), b. 28 Aug >> 1862 at Saarland, Germany, d. 5 Dec 1863 >> │ │ │ │ +Jonas Fox (76), b. 18 Aug 1826 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 17 May 1864 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 3 May >> 1885 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ ├── Peter Fox (820), b. 15 Apr 1865 >> at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Aug 1866 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ ├── John Fox (330), b. 20 Oct 1867 >> at Treves, Prussia, d. 18 Mar 1924 at WI >> │ │ │ │ │ +Mathilda Gruenke (441), b. 16 Mar >> 1876 at Posen, Poland, m. 21 Apr 1896 at WI, d. 26 May 1948 >> │ │ │ ├── Anton Wagner (2510), b. 17 Sep 1808 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Feb 1894 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Magdalena Michel (2511), b. 23 Aug 1814 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Jan 1834 at Saarland, Germany, d. 27 Dec 1871 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Anna Wagner (2530), b. 23 Mar 1811 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Apr 1819 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2512), b. 31 Aug 1813 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 18 Sep 1814 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagner (2513), b. 13 Dec 1814 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Margretha Wagener (3684), b. 28 Dec 1816 >> at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Eva Tuya (2518), b. 1 Dec 1747 at Saarland, Germany, m. >> 19 May 1774 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagener (2523), b. circa 1775 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 12 Dec 1831 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Johannes Cartes (2524), m. circa 1802 >> │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagener (2525), d. 24 Dec 1804 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2526), b. 28 Sep 1786 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 31 Dec 1804 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Nicolas Wagener (2527), b. 6 Jun 1789 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2538), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 29 Jan 1806 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +unknown spouse >> │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2539), b. 28 Jun 1746 at Saarland, d. >> 8 Jun 1805 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ +Maria Leinen (2540), b. 19 Sep 1738 at Saarland, Germany, >> m. circa 1769, d. 11 Jan 1797 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Barbara Wagener (2545), b. 14 Feb 1704 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ │ +Mathias DHüR (2546), m. 1727 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Peter Wagener (2547), b. 31 Mar 1707 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Johann Peter Wagener (2548), b. 26 Sep 1708 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ ├── Michael Wagener (2549), b. 24 Feb 1711 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 16 Dec 1777 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ +Margaretha Neyses (2550), b. 17 Aug 1715 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany, m. 16 Feb 1738 at Saarland, Germany, d. 14 Apr 1776 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ ├── Maria Wagener (2551), b. 30 Sep 1713 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ +Johannes Mundlach (2552), m. 16 Sep 1732 at Saarland, Germany >> │ └── Nicolaus Wagener (2553), b. at Saarland, Germany, d. >> before 1756 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Zehren (2554), b. 9 Mar 1721 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany, m. circa 1745/46, d. 24 Mar 1776 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Temmels? (2555), b. at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. >> circa 1721/22, d. after 1734 at Saarland, Germany >> │ └── Anna Catharina Wagener (2556), b. 27 Jul 1722 at Saarland, >> Germany >> ├── Peter Wagener (2563), d. circa 1753 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Barthel (2564), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. circa >> 1711/12 at Saarland, Germany, d. 7 Mar 1753 at Saarland, Germany >> ├── Angela Wagener (2565) >> ├── Magaretha Wagener (2566) >> ├── Maria Wagener (2571) >> │ +Theiß Massen (2572), m. before 1673 >> ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2568), d. circa 1742 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Johannes Cammer (2569), m. before 1698 >> ├── Barbara Wagener (2570) >> └── Maria Wagener (2567), b. at Saarland, Germany >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > David, "just Rheinland all the way back to 1815" is not true. Reasonable parts of today Saarland did belong to Bavaria from 1815 on, others to minor territories of the Deutscher Bund. And you forgot that the so called Saargebiet was governed by the League of Nations from 1920 to1935, while its coal mines were controlled and exploited by France as reparation for the damages done in WWI. A construction, not so often seen in history. This was the first time that the territories of today Saarland were under a single political control. The Saargebiet as it was called at this time rejoined Germany in 1935 after a referendum. This referendum was mandatory as it was part of the Treaty of Versailles (Article 49) which was made in 1919 to end the 1st World War. That the Saarland belonged to the federal state Rheinland-Pfalz from 1945 on, is also not true. Rheinland-Pfalz was founded on 30. August 1946 and the Saarland was never part of this new federal state. The Saarland became the 10. federal state within the Federal Republic of Germany in 1957, 1st January after the population decided to do so in a plebiscite on 23. October 1955. Before, the Saarland was from 1947 on partly autonomous and economically affiliated to France. It was called autonomer Saarstaat. It had an own constitution, and an own flag. Article 60 of this constitution of 15. December 47 said: "The Saarland is an autonomous, democratic and social regulated land and economically affiliated to France" This close economical connection with France lasted until 6. July 1959, when the Saarland also joined federal Germany economically. Before, there where customs frontiers between Rheinland-Pfalz and the Saarland. There are lots of stories of smugglers in the region. You see, history in our region is not that easy to understand. Regards, Ernst PS: This story is not at an end. Actually, there are discussions to merge Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland into one federal state.

what? Whose idea is this? Saarland is unique unto itself. David Samuelsen Ernst Mettlach wrote: > > PS: This story is not at an end. Actually, there are discussions to > merge Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland into one federal state.