I am surprised in the continuing debate over the relationship between Trier and Luxembourg no one has mentioned that the Prince-Archbishops of Trier were frequently members of the ruling house of Luxembourg from the 14th century on. Anyone who has been to the region will easily recognize that the population has remained a constant through most of the last 2000 years, though the ruling authority has changed frequently from Celts to Romans to Franks to a visit from the Huns to Carolingians to French to Spanish to Austrian to German to French to Prussians to Dutch to Germans. A tour of Luxembourg City will include the fact that, while well fortified through the ages, it is among "the most often conquered cities" in the world--a trophy of conquering armies everywhere in Europe. The title of Elector of Trier, the archbishopric, was also frequently a trophy. Those of us doing research in the area recognize that our ancestors were tied to the land and the valleys and took their rulers in stride. Anyone who wants separate lists for Luxembourg and Trier is missing the big picture of proximity and intermarriage across those arbitrary lines on our modern maps and will likely find themselves stymied in trying to understand their family tree. Don Kilburg