While not Trier, exactly, it's not that far downstream. My wife's KICH/KLEMM/PELTZER/EIDEN/THIEL et al. lines are from there. While some years of the Veldenz records are missing, we have a lot of data on a lot of the folk. CONRAD KICH ame ca. 1848 to Blue Island, IL, with father PETER KICH (shoemaker) and mother CATHERINA geb. KLEMM. Will share with those interested. Dave Ross Denver, CO