Interesting discussion. My grandmother was known by her family for most of her life as Helen Briesch, but after she died we found records that showed her real name to be Magdalena. I was named for her ... the Irish form of Helene is Eileen. Funny that I probably should have been named Magdalena or Margaret or something like that. Eileen Briesch Eileen Briesch Page Designer The Macon Telegraph 912-746-8769 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! http://webmail.bellsouth.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------