Hello all list members, Not sure if this is the right way to reply as this is my first time doing this. I have enjoyed reading all the information supplied by everyone so thought I might be able to help someone and at the same time ask a question. First several years ago I happened to find a German book in English for the following towns: Einwhner Von Zush, Neuhutten, Damflos 1574 bis 1820. Inhabitants of Zusch, Neuhutten, Damflos (in English) for 1574-1820 Author Walter Petto If anyone is interested you can order it thru your in-ter library loan at you local library from: Benton Harbor Public Library 213 E. Wall Street Benton Harbor, Mi. 49022 Everything is translated into English even the stories about each town. This is a book with all families in the area listed in alphabetical order making it easy to find your ancestors. Now my question is this: does-- anyone now if they have more of these book translated into English? I,m especially looking for the towns of Gusenburg and Sauscheid or vicinity.(This is near the city of Hermeskeil) Any help would certainly be appreciated as my Geman is very limited. Thanks everyone for reading my questions. Geri in Wisconsin. [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 121 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Archives in Trier/ ["Ralph Eckard" <[email protected]>] > #2 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundar [Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]] > #3 Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical bou ["W. David Samuelsen" <[email protected]] > #4 Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Archives in Tr ["kathy metzen" <[email protected]] > #5 Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical bou ["Ernst Mettlach" <[email protected]] > #6 Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical bou ["Eugene Gillen" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Archives in Trier/Bitburg area > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:28:28 -0700 > From: "Ralph Eckard" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Dear list members, > This is my first request but have enjoyed reading all the info sliding by my computer screen. I am heading to Trier and would like to know if there is any value in trying to look up information in any archive. I have looked at the Mormon library films for birth records. > > The villages I am interested in are Menningen, Eisenach and Edingen. All are located just to the north of Trier. The surnames I am interested in are Schoeben, Marx, and Dimmer. > > Thanks, Ralph > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 04:01:57 -0400 > From: Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, then > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > Thanks for any help on this, > Kathy Lenerz > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:19:29 -0600 > From: "W. David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > not ceded. Napoleonic troops occupied 1794 until 1815. The records > during that time are in French since I am familiar with records for > those areas - civil registration in French, while parish records > are in German or Germanic Latin. > > Hunsruck is north of Greimerath, Britten, Wadern in question. > > After 1815, Rheinprovinz returned to Prussian rule along with > additional concessions as result of Congress of Vienna 1815, > consolidating the area, including annexation of eastern part of > Luxembourg. One area deep inside the Rheinprovinz was part of > Duchy of Oldenburg. Prussia didn't get it until the other part > of the duchy located near Hannover was annexed. > > David > David > > Kathy Lenerz wrote: > > > > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, then > > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > > Thanks for any help on this, > > Kathy Lenerz > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Archives in Trier/Bitburg area > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 05:59:39 -0400 > From: "kathy metzen" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > > Ralph, > Take a notebook & pencil for the Bistumarchiv. It's on Jesuittenstrasse. From the Porta Nigra, walk down Simmeonstrasse to the Hauptmarkt. The street splits. Bear left. Jesuittenstrasse is on the left. > You must sign in and put your belongings in a locker. No photocopies. Not every book in the Archiv is available on microfilm. At the Bistumarchiv, you will be handling the actual churchbooks. The people behind the counter are quite fluent in American English. Spend a couple of hours there, then go off & be a tourist. > If you will be in Bitburg, check the family books at Haus Beda. You can make photocopies, there. > If you trace any of your Marx to Priest, let me know. > Kathy > > Dear list members, > This is my first request but have enjoyed reading all the info sliding by my computer screen. I am heading to Trier and would like to know if there is any value in trying to look up information in any archive. I have looked at the Mormon library films for birth records. > > The villages I am interested in are Menningen, Eisenach and Edingen. All are located just to the north of Trier. The surnames I am interested in are Schoeben, Marx, and Dimmer. > > Thanks, RalphGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:34:38 +0200 > From: "Ernst Mettlach" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Kathy, > Wadern did definetely not belong to the Electorate of Trier. It was a part > of the so called "Herrschaft (Lordship?) Dagstuhl" until it was occupied by > the French in 1794. I`m not sure about Greimerath and Britten, but I believe > these villages belonged to the Electorate of Trierand not to the Herrschaft > Dagstuhl. Look at: http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/saar.htm and > http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm and compare this map with an > actual map of the area. > For the rest of the history, you`re right. The Electorate of Trier was > occupied in August 1794 by french revolutionary troops. > In the treaty of Luneville (February 9 1801) the territories of the > electorates of Trier, Cologne and Mainz situated on the left side of the > river Rhine as well as the former austrian Netherlands were formally ceded > to France. So the whole Hunsrueck (Wadern belongs to the so called > "Schwarzwaelder Hunsrueck") was de jure and de facto part of the Republic of > France. The region around Trier and western Hunsrueck belonged to the new > Departement de la Sarre, with the capital Trier. > On January 5 1814, Trier was taken by prussian troops. In the Peace Treaty > of Paris (March 30 1814), France was reduced to its borders of 1792, on May > 28 1815 the unification Trier-Prussia was proclamated in Trier. Most smaller > territories like the Herrschaft Dagstuhl were given to Prussia too. > The Rheinprovinz of Prussia was founded in 1816 (April, 18). It was divided > in 6 "Regierungsbezirke": Trier, Koblenz, Duesseldorf, Kleve and Cologne. > The last change was done in 1834: The prussian government bought the > Principalty of Lichtenberg (the area around St. Wendel) from the duchy of > Sachsen-Coburg. Until 1919, nothing changed then in the Regierungsbezirk > Trier. > > Ernst Mettlach > Trier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:01 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, > then > > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > > Thanks for any help on this, > > Kathy Lenerz > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:11:37 -0700 > From: "Eugene Gillen" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > On a map of the Rheinland-Pfalz from 1789, there is an area around PRUM > called REICHSABTEI. Any one know what is REICHSABTEI? > please see:http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm---------- > Thanks, > Gene Gillen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernst Mettlach" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 4:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > Kathy, > Wadern did definetely not belong to the Electorate of Trier. It was a part > of the so called "Herrschaft (Lordship?) Dagstuhl" until it was occupied by > the French in 1794. I`m not sure about Greimerath and Britten, but I believe > these villages belonged to the Electorate of Trierand not to the Herrschaft > Dagstuhl. Look at: http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/saar.htm and > http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm and compare this map with an > actual map of the area. > For the rest of the history, you`re right. The Electorate of Trier was > occupied in August 1794 by french revolutionary troops. > In the treaty of Luneville (February 9 1801) the territories of the > electorates of Trier, Cologne and Mainz situated on the left side of the > river Rhine as well as the former austrian Netherlands were formally ceded > to France. So the whole Hunsrueck (Wadern belongs to the so called > "Schwarzwaelder Hunsrueck") was de jure and de facto part of the Republic of > France. The region around Trier and western Hunsrueck belonged to the new > Departement de la Sarre, with the capital Trier. > On January 5 1814, Trier was taken by prussian troops. In the Peace Treaty > of Paris (March 30 1814), France was reduced to its borders of 1792, on May > 28 1815 the unification Trier-Prussia was proclamated in Trier. Most smaller > territories like the Herrschaft Dagstuhl were given to Prussia too. > The Rheinprovinz of Prussia was founded in 1816 (April, 18). It was divided > in 6 "Regierungsbezirke": Trier, Koblenz, Duesseldorf, Kleve and Cologne. > The last change was done in 1834: The prussian government bought the > Principalty of Lichtenberg (the area around St. Wendel) from the duchy of > Sachsen-Coburg. Until 1919, nothing changed then in the Regierungsbezirk > Trier. > > Ernst Mettlach > Trier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:01 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, > then > > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > > Thanks for any help on this, > > Kathy Lenerz > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe