Dear Susan and all the others, what an interesting mail. Let me send you the datas of this Michels family: (datas from the familybook of "Schankweiler, from Werner Naumann , page 145) Barthel MICHELS a teacher born in unknown death 05 Nov. 1856 in Holsthum married before 1833 in unknown to Margaretha Weber born in unknown died in USA unknown this family moved (for teaching) before February 1833 to Holsthum. There the following children where born: 1. 02.12.1833 Catharina 2. 03.31.1838 Anna Clara 3. 09.25.1840 Anton (to USA in 1857) 4. 12.31.1843 Leonard 5. 12.30.1848 Johann Philipp The first emigrant from this family was Anton Michels. In his "permisson to emigrate" her wrote: "My mother is the widdow of the teacher Batholomaeus (called Barthel) Michels who died at September 5th last year here in Holsthum. She has a sister who´s married in the state of Wisconsin. She wants to have me with her. For that she has sent a socalled Mr. Peter Schneider from Bettendorf to me to bring me to her in USA. He is working since two years at her (farm ?). Now I am ready (with the permission of my mother) to emigrate on October 10th to Wisconsin. Date of prussian Certificate of Permission September 7th 1857. I am shure that the complete family emigrated after 1857 and I think this happened before 1869. It is possible to clear where Mr. Bathel Michels was born, because we have the date of death. The civil records will tell where he was born and who were his parents. There was no Lenger living in that parish of Schankweiler (containing the towns of Holsthum, Peffingen and Schankweiler). Treves is the french name for Trier (government district of Trier or city of Trier, both is correcht). Holzem is the slang variation of three towns: a. Holsthum (called Holzem) , Irrel county, district of Bitburg-Pruem, state of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; b. Holzem (called Holzem) , community of Mamer, Luxemburg; c. Holzthum (called Holtzem), community of Consthum, Luxemburg. Maybe there are other "Holzem`s" in lorrain (France) or Belgium (province of Luxemburg), but I don´t know yet. Emigrants with the name "Holzem" came from the county of Daun, district of Trier, Germany in 1869 and 1873: Christian Holzem, age 35, from Boxberg in 1873 Elisabeth Holzem, age 2, from Boxberg in 1873, Gertrud Holzem, age 27, from Boxberg in 1873, Johann Peter Holzem, age 58, from Heyroth in 1869, Magdalena Holzem, age 59, from Heyroth in 1869, Magdalena Holzem, age 32, from Heyroth in 1869, Peter Holzem, age 20, from Heyroth in 1869, Peter Holzem, age 4, from Boxberg in 1869, Vincenz Holzem, age 8, from Boxberg in 1873 Boxberg is in the parish of Beinhausen, Heyroth in the rarish of Niederehe. They are close together. The thelen and Michels names are located in this area, too !!!!! Perhaps the Michels family Mrs. Nokes is researching came from this area, too ? It is possible, because the combination Michels-Thelen is typical for this region in the county of Daun ! yours sincerely Werner Lichter ##################################### I thought I'd play out a "hunch" again... I kept feeling like there was some connection to the LENGER's moving to Jefferson County--aside from the fact that people would need to migrate west to stake land claims... The obituary for George MICHELS said that his body was "returned to his family in Jefferson for burial"....while back in Wisconsin last year--I traveled many country roads all around Jefferson County--stopping at numerous cemeteries...At St. Lawrence Cemetery, which is located on Hwy 18 out of Jefferson and toward Milwaukee...I found out that a Priest by the name of Rev. Anthony (Anton) MICHAELS had pastored there.. So I wrote to the Archdiocease of Milwaukee a few weeks back--and said that I had searched the graveyard at St. Lawrence and had not located the grave for Father MICHAELS..and wondered if they had any records about his ministry or where he might be buried... This is what they sent me: Rev. Anthony (Anton) Francis MICHAELS Born September 25, 1840 at Holsthum (Treves) Germany Studied at St. Francis Seminary Ordained August 12, 1868 in Milwaukee by Bishop Melchers of Green Bay for the diocease of Milwaukee Came to the diocease as a boy in 1857. As priest in 1868. Came from Treves, Germany Incorporated into this diocease in 1868. Stationed at present St. Joseph's Convent in Milwaukee Formerly: St. Matthias, Beloit Rd.; St. Boniface, Germantown; Teachers Seminary, St. Francis; St. Laurence near Jefferson; St. Martin's, Ashford; St. Matthew's, New Castle; Winona, Minn. as chaplainto School Sisters of St. Francis; St. Joseph's Convent as its spiritual director. He died as the spiritual director of the School Sisters of St. Francis, Milwaukee. Died: July 18, 1911. Buried in Calvary Cemetery, Milwaukee ------------------ There are two sources of information about him and one varies in information regarding his ordination. The second record states that he was ordained by Bishop J. M. Henni at St. Francis on August 12, 1868. The record above is the most complete with only the ordination information varying. This ends what they sent to me... OK--I may be grasping at straws--but--- Notice the name of the town he was said to have born in: Holsthum... How closely this resembles the name HOLZEM or HOLZHEM.... Ann MICHELS, the daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN married a Jacob HOLZEM on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Jacob's parents were : Christian HOLZEM and Clementina (maiden name unknown). Ann MICHEL's sister was Eva MICHELS who married Christian LENGER in a dual marriage ceremony on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. I have information which says: "St. Martin's mission parish was founded in July 1846. The congregation consisting of 21 German families, was attended by the St. Anthony pastor every week before and after it had its own resident pastors. St.Martin's mission school was conducted by two Chriatian Brothers from 1847-1849...." Could those two "Christian Brothers" have been Christian Lenger (husband of Elizabeth Glesius) and Christian Holzem (father of Jacob Holzem)??? I realize that monks or acolytes are also known as "Brothers" in the Catholic church...but it seems strange that all of these families were in that area at the same time. Coincidence???? Could our families have been responsible for the building of that church?? Could they have moved to Jefferson after the ordination of Rev. Anton MICHAELS who then pastored at St. Laurence just outside of Jefferson??? Just a few questions--hoping I might find the answers... Fellow researcher, Susan

Hello... ...Have you checked the United States Federal 1860 Census for Wisconsin, especially Washington County and Milwaukee County. I will keep your surname of Weber and Schneider in mind, as I so my research. Alice Werner Lichter wrote: > > Dear Susan and all the others, > what an interesting mail. > Let me send you the datas of this Michels family: > > (datas from the familybook of "Schankweiler, from Werner Naumann , page > 145) > > Barthel MICHELS > a teacher > born in unknown > death 05 Nov. 1856 in Holsthum > > married before 1833 in unknown to > > Margaretha Weber > born in unknown > died in USA unknown > > this family moved (for teaching) before February 1833 to Holsthum. There > the following children where born: > 1. 02.12.1833 Catharina > 2. 03.31.1838 Anna Clara > 3. 09.25.1840 Anton (to USA in 1857) > 4. 12.31.1843 Leonard > 5. 12.30.1848 Johann Philipp > The first emigrant from this family was Anton Michels. In his "permisson > to emigrate" her wrote: > "My mother is the widdow of the teacher Batholomaeus (called Barthel) > Michels who died at September 5th last year here in Holsthum. She has a > sister who´s married in the state of Wisconsin. She wants to have me > with her. For that she has sent a socalled Mr. Peter Schneider from > Bettendorf to me to bring me to her in USA. He is working since two > years at her (farm ?). Now I am ready (with the permission of my mother) > to emigrate on October 10th to Wisconsin. Date of prussian Certificate > of Permission September 7th 1857. > I am shure that the complete family emigrated after 1857 and I think > this happened before 1869. > It is possible to clear where Mr. Bathel Michels was born, because we > have the date of death. The civil records will tell where he was born > and who were his parents. > There was no Lenger living in that parish of Schankweiler (containing > the towns of Holsthum, Peffingen and Schankweiler). > Treves is the french name for Trier (government district of Trier or > city of Trier, both is correcht). > Holzem is the slang variation of three towns: > a. Holsthum (called Holzem) , Irrel county, district of Bitburg-Pruem, > state of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; > b. Holzem (called Holzem) , community of Mamer, Luxemburg; > c. Holzthum (called Holtzem), community of Consthum, Luxemburg. > Maybe there are other "Holzem`s" in lorrain (France) or Belgium > (province of Luxemburg), but I don´t know yet. > Emigrants with the name "Holzem" came from the county of Daun, district > of Trier, Germany in 1869 and 1873: > Christian Holzem, age 35, from Boxberg in 1873 > Elisabeth Holzem, age 2, from Boxberg in 1873, > Gertrud Holzem, age 27, from Boxberg in 1873, > Johann Peter Holzem, age 58, from Heyroth in 1869, > Magdalena Holzem, age 59, from Heyroth in 1869, > Magdalena Holzem, age 32, from Heyroth in 1869, > Peter Holzem, age 20, from Heyroth in 1869, > Peter Holzem, age 4, from Boxberg in 1869, > Vincenz Holzem, age 8, from Boxberg in 1873 > Boxberg is in the parish of Beinhausen, Heyroth in the rarish of > Niederehe. They are close together. The thelen and Michels names are > located in this area, too !!!!! Perhaps the Michels family Mrs. Nokes is > researching came from this area, too ? It is possible, because the > combination Michels-Thelen is typical for this region in the county of > Daun ! > > yours sincerely > > Werner Lichter > > ##################################### > I thought I'd play out a "hunch" again... > I kept feeling like there was some connection to the LENGER's moving to > Jefferson County--aside from the fact that people would need to migrate > west to stake land claims... The obituary for George MICHELS said that > his body was "returned to his family in Jefferson for burial"....while > back in Wisconsin last year--I traveled many country roads all around > Jefferson County--stopping at numerous cemeteries...At St. Lawrence > Cemetery, which is located on Hwy 18 out of Jefferson and toward > Milwaukee...I found out that a Priest by the name of Rev. Anthony > (Anton) MICHAELS had pastored there.. So I wrote to the Archdiocease of > Milwaukee a few weeks back--and said that I had searched the graveyard > at St. Lawrence and had not located the grave for Father MICHAELS..and > wondered if they had any records about his ministry or where he might be > buried... > This is what they sent me: > Rev. Anthony (Anton) Francis MICHAELS Born September 25, 1840 at > Holsthum (Treves) Germany Studied at St. Francis Seminary Ordained > August 12, 1868 in Milwaukee by Bishop Melchers of Green Bay for the > diocease of Milwaukee Came to the diocease as a boy in 1857. As priest > in 1868. Came from Treves, Germany Incorporated into this diocease in > 1868. Stationed at present St. Joseph's Convent in Milwaukee Formerly: > St. Matthias, Beloit Rd.; St. Boniface, Germantown; Teachers Seminary, > St. Francis; St. Laurence near Jefferson; St. Martin's, Ashford; St. > Matthew's, New Castle; Winona, Minn. as chaplainto School Sisters of St. > Francis; St. Joseph's Convent as its spiritual director. He died as the > spiritual director of the School Sisters of St. Francis, Milwaukee. > Died: July 18, 1911. Buried in Calvary Cemetery, Milwaukee > ------------------ > There are two sources of information about him and one varies in > information regarding his ordination. The second record states that he > was ordained by Bishop J. M. Henni at St. Francis on August 12, 1868. > The record > above is the most complete with only the ordination information varying. > This ends what they sent to me... OK--I may be grasping at > straws--but--- > Notice the name of the town he was said to have born in: Holsthum... > How closely this resembles the name HOLZEM or HOLZHEM.... > Ann MICHELS, the daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN > married a Jacob HOLZEM on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Jacob's parents were : Christian > HOLZEM and Clementina (maiden name unknown). Ann MICHEL's sister was Eva > MICHELS who married Christian LENGER in a > dual marriage ceremony on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, Fussville, > Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > I have information which says: "St. Martin's mission parish was founded > in July 1846. The congregation > consisting of 21 German families, was attended by the St. Anthony pastor > every week before and after it had its own resident pastors. St.Martin's > mission school was conducted by two Chriatian Brothers from > 1847-1849...." Could those two "Christian Brothers" have been Christian > Lenger (husband of Elizabeth Glesius) and Christian Holzem (father of > Jacob Holzem)??? I realize that monks or acolytes are also known as > "Brothers" in the Catholic church...but it seems strange that all of > these families were in that area at the same time. Coincidence???? > Could our families have been responsible for the building of that > church?? Could they have moved to Jefferson after the ordination of > Rev. Anton MICHAELS who then pastored at St. Laurence just outside of > Jefferson??? Just a few questions--hoping I might find the answers... > Fellow researcher, Susan > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe