On a map of the Rheinland-Pfalz from 1789, there is an area around PRUM called REICHSABTEI. Any one know what is REICHSABTEI? please see:http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm---------- Thanks, Gene Gillen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernst Mettlach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries Kathy, Wadern did definetely not belong to the Electorate of Trier. It was a part of the so called "Herrschaft (Lordship?) Dagstuhl" until it was occupied by the French in 1794. I`m not sure about Greimerath and Britten, but I believe these villages belonged to the Electorate of Trierand not to the Herrschaft Dagstuhl. Look at: http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/saar.htm and http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm and compare this map with an actual map of the area. For the rest of the history, you`re right. The Electorate of Trier was occupied in August 1794 by french revolutionary troops. In the treaty of Luneville (February 9 1801) the territories of the electorates of Trier, Cologne and Mainz situated on the left side of the river Rhine as well as the former austrian Netherlands were formally ceded to France. So the whole Hunsrueck (Wadern belongs to the so called "Schwarzwaelder Hunsrueck") was de jure and de facto part of the Republic of France. The region around Trier and western Hunsrueck belonged to the new Departement de la Sarre, with the capital Trier. On January 5 1814, Trier was taken by prussian troops. In the Peace Treaty of Paris (March 30 1814), France was reduced to its borders of 1792, on May 28 1815 the unification Trier-Prussia was proclamated in Trier. Most smaller territories like the Herrschaft Dagstuhl were given to Prussia too. The Rheinprovinz of Prussia was founded in 1816 (April, 18). It was divided in 6 "Regierungsbezirke": Trier, Koblenz, Duesseldorf, Kleve and Cologne. The last change was done in 1834: The prussian government bought the Principalty of Lichtenberg (the area around St. Wendel) from the duchy of Sachsen-Coburg. Until 1919, nothing changed then in the Regierungsbezirk Trier. Ernst Mettlach Trier ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, then > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > Thanks for any help on this, > Kathy Lenerz > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe
Abtei = Abbey, Reichs = imperial. This means, that the Reichsabtei Pruem was independent from any Lord Elector or Duke etc. It was only responsible to the german emperor. This status is called "Unmittelbarkeit" or "Reichsunmittelbarkeit" (~ Immediacy?). This was a very privileged status and Pruem was an extremely wealthy and mighty Abbey. Ernst ----- Original Message ----- From: Eugene Gillen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > On a map of the Rheinland-Pfalz from 1789, there is an area around PRUM > called REICHSABTEI. Any one know what is REICHSABTEI? > please see:http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm---------- > Thanks, > Gene Gillen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernst Mettlach" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 4:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > > Kathy, > Wadern did definetely not belong to the Electorate of Trier. It was a part > of the so called "Herrschaft (Lordship?) Dagstuhl" until it was occupied by > the French in 1794. I`m not sure about Greimerath and Britten, but I believe > these villages belonged to the Electorate of Trierand not to the Herrschaft > Dagstuhl. Look at: http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/saar.htm and > http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm and compare this map with an > actual map of the area. > For the rest of the history, you`re right. The Electorate of Trier was > occupied in August 1794 by french revolutionary troops. > In the treaty of Luneville (February 9 1801) the territories of the > electorates of Trier, Cologne and Mainz situated on the left side of the > river Rhine as well as the former austrian Netherlands were formally ceded > to France. So the whole Hunsrueck (Wadern belongs to the so called > "Schwarzwaelder Hunsrueck") was de jure and de facto part of the Republic of > France. The region around Trier and western Hunsrueck belonged to the new > Departement de la Sarre, with the capital Trier. > On January 5 1814, Trier was taken by prussian troops. In the Peace Treaty > of Paris (March 30 1814), France was reduced to its borders of 1792, on May > 28 1815 the unification Trier-Prussia was proclamated in Trier. Most smaller > territories like the Herrschaft Dagstuhl were given to Prussia too. > The Rheinprovinz of Prussia was founded in 1816 (April, 18). It was divided > in 6 "Regierungsbezirke": Trier, Koblenz, Duesseldorf, Kleve and Cologne. > The last change was done in 1834: The prussian government bought the > Principalty of Lichtenberg (the area around St. Wendel) from the duchy of > Sachsen-Coburg. Until 1919, nothing changed then in the Regierungsbezirk > Trier. > > Ernst Mettlach > Trier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:01 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > > > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, > then > > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > > Thanks for any help on this, > > Kathy Lenerz > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >
Reich = empire Abtei = abbey Reichsabtei = abbey of the empire Barbara France ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Eugene Gillen" <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : dimanche 2 juin 2002 18:11 Objet : Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > On a map of the Rheinland-Pfalz from 1789, there is an area around PRUM > called REICHSABTEI. Any one know what is REICHSABTEI? > please see:http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm---------- > Thanks, > Gene Gillen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernst Mettlach" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 4:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > > Kathy, > Wadern did definetely not belong to the Electorate of Trier. It was a part > of the so called "Herrschaft (Lordship?) Dagstuhl" until it was occupied by > the French in 1794. I`m not sure about Greimerath and Britten, but I believe > these villages belonged to the Electorate of Trierand not to the Herrschaft > Dagstuhl. Look at: http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/saar.htm and > http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/rhpfalz.htm and compare this map with an > actual map of the area. > For the rest of the history, you`re right. The Electorate of Trier was > occupied in August 1794 by french revolutionary troops. > In the treaty of Luneville (February 9 1801) the territories of the > electorates of Trier, Cologne and Mainz situated on the left side of the > river Rhine as well as the former austrian Netherlands were formally ceded > to France. So the whole Hunsrueck (Wadern belongs to the so called > "Schwarzwaelder Hunsrueck") was de jure and de facto part of the Republic of > France. The region around Trier and western Hunsrueck belonged to the new > Departement de la Sarre, with the capital Trier. > On January 5 1814, Trier was taken by prussian troops. In the Peace Treaty > of Paris (March 30 1814), France was reduced to its borders of 1792, on May > 28 1815 the unification Trier-Prussia was proclamated in Trier. Most smaller > territories like the Herrschaft Dagstuhl were given to Prussia too. > The Rheinprovinz of Prussia was founded in 1816 (April, 18). It was divided > in 6 "Regierungsbezirke": Trier, Koblenz, Duesseldorf, Kleve and Cologne. > The last change was done in 1834: The prussian government bought the > Principalty of Lichtenberg (the area around St. Wendel) from the duchy of > Sachsen-Coburg. Until 1919, nothing changed then in the Regierungsbezirk > Trier. > > Ernst Mettlach > Trier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathy Lenerz <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:01 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Historical boundaries > > > > I try to record births, death, and marriages as occurring in the political > > jurisdiction that existed at the time of the event. I'm trying to > > determine exactly what political jurisdiction my ancestors live in from > > 1792-1820. They lived in the Hunsrück in Greimerath, Britten, and Wadern. > > I understand that the Electorate of Trier was ceded to France in 1801, > then > > given to Prussia in 1814. Is that correct? What political territory did > > this area belong to pre-1801 while under French occupation? After > > Napoleon, when did it formally become the Rheinprovinz of Prussia? > > Thanks for any help on this, > > Kathy Lenerz > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >