Ernst, I tried to post this several days ago, I thought I had just missed seeing it in my mail and would leter get a reply, but I finally went to the archives and looked and it is not there. I don't know what happened, we have been having IP problems and just changed servers, perhaps that had something to do with it. Thanks Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathy rogers" [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects Thanks Ernst, These phrases will be phonetic since I don't read or speak German. I was taught " kahn du dike Swetza or Swetsa?" for "Can you speak German?" When my kids took High School German I found out that was very different. "Papa ear (or maybe ee) fahts swine slockta ear koom sleek oon fear" is susposed to be "Daddy went to kill hogs and will be back at four" I'm not sure if I have separated words in the right place, they could be run together or broken in the wrong place. Just hearing it makes it hard to do on paper with English phonics. There is one line of the family who think they were from Hamburg, but from every thing I have learned that seems inpossible. When I asked why they thought that, I didn't get an answer. Possibly they sailed from there? Or there could be a town that sounds similar in the area I believe they were from, or it could have nothing to do with it. I have looked at a lot of maps on line, but can't seem to find one that I can see the rivers and the towns clearly, any sugestions. Thank you for being willing to try this. Kathy Kathy, If your family lived near a river in the Trier region and walked to Luxemburg, there are only three possible rivers: the upper Mosel (between Oberbillig and Perl), the Sauer river or the Our river. Maybe it`s possible to identify the exact region by the phrases you`ve learnt. Post it and I`ll try to determine. Ernst Trier/Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: glenn _kathy _rogers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects > Thanks to Ernst and Anne > The information was very helpful. > I haven't been able to pinpoint the town of origin for my MENZ ancestors. > But another helpful person on this list or Pfalz was able to help me from a > couple phrases I had been taught. He had said it was a dialect that was > spoken along the Mosell R. but didn't give it a name. > My ggrandfather had told his children and grandchildren stories of living > very near a river (they couldn't recall which river) and of walking to > Luxembourg. I know family stories are often unreliable but this one seems > to be checking out. > The phone books of the area have too many Menzs to try that route unless I > can't get more information another way. > I have been unable to find naturalization or ships records for them. > Catholic church death and marriage records don't place of birth. > > They would have immigrated 1846-48, there was a son born in Ger. in 1845 and > he remarried in Ohio 11 Jan 1848, after his 1st wife died on board ship ( > her death is also family lore). > > Born in Ger. were: > Martin MENZ b. 9 Jan 1817 > Taddeus MENZ b. 10 Apr 1842 > Linus MENZ b. 23 Feb 1845 > > They were Catholic. > Any help or suggestion about what else to try will be appreciated. > And if someone else would like to try to determine which dialect exactly it > was let me know. I have to try to type it phoneticly but it seems to work > before. > Sorry this got so long. > Thanks > Kathy R. > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe