Michael... Thank you very much for your translation. I agree with you that if the baby Margaretha Fox was born in March of 1820 and died in April of 1820, there is no way, she could be my great grandmother. I thought I must be mistranslating the information. The courious thing is why do 3 different people have that baby as the Margaretha FOX, I'm looking for. Plus, in some of there statements, she was an illegitimate child, or mother a cook in Colmar, or she was born in Tunsdorf. Is Kolmen another name for Colmar? I do have the Mettlach CD. I will look again at the BIWER family. I also do have a page from the Borg Familienbuch. It shows my 4g grandfather Mathiew BIEWER was married to an Eva HERBER and besides my 3g grandfather one of their children was a Valentine BIEWER who married 1759 to FOX, Marg and on the end of that line there is a word like autgo4tondert. This could be a relative of the same Fox family. Thanks again. Alice > "Voves, Michael" wrote: > > "Margaretha Fox, in 1820 was a cook in Kolmen; it seems clear she was > a relative to Peter Berend (cross reference to entry 1.245i), because > the birth of the following child was presumably in his accomodations > (Behausung - not Behaving), which therefore makes Margaretha surely a > descendant from entry no. 4.512 (Christoph Fox/Fuchs)." > > Anna Maria Margareth, born Mar 17, 1820 Tuensdorf, died Apr 30, 1820 > Tuensdorf > > "T.v" means "daughter of". Tdf is a reference to the registry of > Tuensdorf - the numbers next to Tdf would be relevant if you were > checking the registry. > > The child did not live very long - therefore, I think you have the > wrong Margaretha Fox. > > If you have not done so already, you may want to look the the > Biver/Biever/Biewer entries in the Mettlach CD, or track down another > family book covering Borg and Orscholz. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aellis [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Translation and conflicting sources. > > Please correct my translation from the Familienbuch Mettlach und > Umgebung by Reinhold Junges. Volume III page -292- > 4.538) FOX Margaretha > German: 1820 Köchin zu Kolmar/Kolman (?-Kolmen?) > English: cook too/to/at > > offensichtlich eine Verwandte zu > obviously one used too/to/at > > Peter BEREND -1.245i-, denn die > that > > Geburt des folgenden Kindes war > Birth of the the following child was > > (vermutlich) in dessen Behaving, und > Probably in its and > > Margaretha damit sicherlich ein > thus surely > > Abkömmling von 4.512 > of/from > > x) Anna Maria Margareth, > *17. 3.1820, Tdf (33/20-0) +30. 4.1820,Tdf > (51/20-0) > born17 March 1820, Tunsdorf or daughter of died 30 April 1820 > > This is one of my dead ends: I do know I am looking for a German > speaking, Margaretha FOX born about 1820 possibly born in France. > Possibly relatives lived in Rettel, France about 1845 according to her > > childs baptismal record. US census shows she and both her parents were > > born in France. She was married to Johnn BIWER about 1845, they lived > in > Borg and Oscholtz before they immigrated about 1874 to the US. Now, I > > have never found her birth or marrige record. However, I see someone > on > the internet has her born in Tunsdorf. Someone else showed she was an > > illegitimate baby. > Question: Who died 30 April 1820, the baby or the Mother??? > > My interpretation: Margaretha Fox, a cook in Kolmar, France was > staying > with a Susanna FUCHS who was married to Peter BEREND. Birth of the > following child, Anna Maria Margaretha born 17 March, 1820 who died 30 > > April, 1820. > > Now, if the child died, that certainly would eliminate that > Margaretha > FOX, and as for her mother, Margareth FOX, would be the wrong age. > > The Margaretha FOX, I am looking for died March 4, 1895 in South > Dakota. Age according to an 1895 newspaper clipping, was " 72 years, > 5 > months and 3-5 days, and was married 50 years last January". That > record said she was born in 1823 in Alsace-Lorraine. > > Thanks for any assistance. Alice > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe