Peter Noll, b. 1847, accompanied his family to Wisconsin, USA in 1866. He has not been found in the 1970 census or subsequent ones. He may have gone back to Germany. Are there any records available that would show if he did go back? He was born in Reinsfeld. Meg Nelson

Searching for information on Anna Maria Diek and Mathias Noll,who were found in Raschied church records between 1780 and 1790 at the births of their children. I would like to find out where they were before and after those years. Can anyone suggest additional church or family books that I might obtain for additional information?

megsnelson@comcast.net wrote: > Searching for information on Anna Maria Diek and Mathias Noll,who > were found in Raschied church records between 1780 and 1790 at the > births of their children. I would like to find out where they were > before and after those years. Can anyone suggest additional church > or family books that I might obtain for additional information? Check the Familienbücher here: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ By doing a Google search of the domain you can search all the Familienbücher at once for pages containin both Diek and Noll. Also search for Dick, Dieck, and Nohl. > Peter Noll, b. 1847, accompanied his family to Wisconsin, USA in > 1866. He has not been found in the 1970 census or subsequent ones. > He may have gone back to Germany. Are there any records available > that would show if he did go back? He was born in Reinsfeld. I assume you've checked with this researcher about her work: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3159603&id=I590833428 There are several Peter Noll/Nohls in the 1880 census in Wisconsin. Have you checked them out? There's also a 62-yr-old Peter Noll in the 1900 census. Where was the rest of his family living in 1870? Online indexes are highly unreliable, so search the entire townships where they lived to find Peter. -OR- Any chance that Peter died between 1866 and 1870? You don't specify where in Wisconsin his family settled, but you can check for a death record here: http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/vitalrecords/ A return to Germany is unlikely, but if he went there and then came back to the US, he would appear in the passenger records on his return. Also check church and cemetery records. Good luck! Kathy

Guten Tag zu jeder, Ich suche seit Jahren nach meine Vorfahren und habe Marie Christine Walraff, im Dienst bei der selber Graf [zu Salm]. ca 1750 abstammung unbekend. Sie war zeuge an ein TAUFE gefunden. Weiß iemand etwas über diese Frau ?????? Danke für Ihre Hilfe. Philippe F. KRINGS Malmédy (Belgien)

In a message dated 8/14/2006 9:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Thank you everyone so much for your information. I sent my letter this morning to Franzenheim and put 2.00 Euros postage on the SASE which I included. It was a letter to a private individual, so no records, registrations, etc. needed to be included in a return letter. Florence Hi Florence. I'll bet you got a lot of replies on this one. I myself bought a bunch of 3-DM stamps about 12 years ago, for the same reason. That was the cost of a letter to America back then, and I did receive several replies. 3-DM is about 1.50 Euros now. Does anybody know if those stamps are still valid? With the proper additional postage, of course. Jim in California

Thank you everyone so much for your information. I sent my letter this morning to Franzenheim and put 2.00 Euros postage on the SASE which I included. It was a letter to a private individual, so no records, registrations, etc. needed to be included in a return letter. I am taking a chance that the Josef Becker in Franzenheim, whose name and address I got from an on-line phone book, might be related. My grandfather was born in Franzenheim and he had a brother who remained there when Grandpa came to America. I read where the population of Franzenheim is 355 people, so I am taking a chance that this Josef's descendents might be distantly related. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Again, thanks for your help. I received a lot of it. Florence

Florence, You do not send stamps. You are supposed to send International Reply Coupons. IRCs are purchased at your local post office. Be forewarned the receiver is only allowed to use one coupon. AND, many local POs in Germany will not accept even that. If you are sending to the local church, it has been my experience that the churches in Germany (in nearby Baden and Würtemberg area) will not even send a courtesy reply, let alone act on the request. Most letters immediately go into a "dead letter" box in the church office, because they have no one to answer it. (Consider their responsibility is the church, not genealogy.) Besides, many times their records have been sent to the church archive and are no longer at the church. In addition, they know we have better access to their records at our local LDS Family History Centers. At 03:00 AM 8/13/2006, you wrote: >From: "peloquin" <floralpx@nc.rr.com> >To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: POSTAGE > >I have written a letter to send to Franzenheim, >Germany, and want to enclose a self-addressed >stamped envelope. I do have some German postage >stamps, four each of 0,55 Euros and >1,00 Euros. Could someone please tell me what >it would it would take for regular first-class weight? Thanks much. > >Florence

Maureen Curran-Dorsano wrote: > Can anyone help me figure out the Trier - Luxembourg connection? It > appears my great-grandfather, Peter Rollinger, came from Trier circa > 1863, and on his naturalization papers it lists his former sovereign as > the Emperor of Germany. But he showed up for his naturalization > ceremony with my other great-grandfather, Nicholas Kieffer, years > before they became in-laws, so I have to assume they knew each other > from the Old Country (either that or it was a fabulous coincidence). > Since Nicholas Kieffer was from Lintgen, Luxembourg, I am beginning to > think that the Trier region was also part of Luxembourg or that part of > Luxembourg was part of Germany. Nicholas Kieffer also lists his former > sovereign as the Emperor of Germany. Trier was never part of Luxemburg. Prior to Napoleon, Trier was a nation-state comprising land surrounding the city of Trier. It may have included some territory which is part of the present-day country of Luxemburg. You'd have to check historic maps to find out. Some sites with historic maps are listed below. After the Napoleonic wars (Treaty of Paris, 1815) the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg was placed under the rule of the Netherlands. It didn't become a completely independent country until later in the century. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Luxembourg It's possible that your "Trier" family came from territory that is now in Luxemburg. Families who lived close to the present-day border intermarried, so it's possible that one member of a couple was from present-day Germany and the other from present-day Luxemburg. Historic map sites: http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de http://www.rootsweb.com/~deubadnw/history/maps/maps.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/map/index.htm http://www.progenealogists.com/germany/germaps.htm Kathy

Did I ever foul up. Whoever answered my query about the Nelles family gave me the very information that I have been looking for. Well, in my enthusiasm I hit the delete button instead of the print button and lost it all. Can I prevail upon you to send it again? Apologetically Bill Wallace

Can anyone help me figure out the Trier - Luxembourg connection? It appears my great-grandfather, Peter Rollinger, came from Trier circa 1863, and on his naturalization papers it lists his former sovereign as the Emperor of Germany. But he showed up for his naturalization ceremony with my other great-grandfather, Nicholas Kieffer, years before they became in-laws, so I have to assume they knew each other from the Old Country (either that or it was a fabulous coincidence). Since Nicholas Kieffer was from Lintgen, Luxembourg, I am beginning to think that the Trier region was also part of Luxembourg or that part of Luxembourg was part of Germany. Nicholas Kieffer also lists his former sovereign as the Emperor of Germany. FYI: The University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota, has all of the vital records of Luxembourg on microfilm. I was able to find the birth certificate of my great-great grandfather from Lintgen, Luxembourg. Thanks, Maureen maureen@dorsano.net

I have written a letter to send to Franzenheim, Germany, and want to enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope. I do have some German postage stamps, four each of 0,55 Euros and 1,00 Euros. Could someone please tell me what it would it would take for regular first-class weight? Thanks much. Florence

Ernst, Thank you so much for your help! I have been trying to find “Priszen” for some time. Your explanation makes perfect sense—that it is really “Preussen, Luxembourg”. Especially if written in old German script, “ß” could look like and “s” and a “z” together. Thank you, Laura -----Original Message----- From: Mettlach, Ernst [mailto:em@mettlach.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:04 AM To: Laura Henkes; TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: AW: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Priszen, Luxembourg - or is it now Germany? + HAIZER Laura, I don't know a village called Priszen in the Lux/german border region. To me, Priszen sounds like a misspelled "Preussen" . Sometimes you find "Preussen, Luxemburg" in the records. Rergards Ernst *************************** Ernst Mettlach M.A. -Journalist- +49 (0) 173 3258274 em@mettlach.net Neugierig? Infos >>> www.mettlach.net -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Laura Henkes [HYPERLINK "mailto:lmhenkes@yahoo.com"mailto:lmhenkes@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Di 08.08.2006 22:38 An: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Priszen, Luxembourg - or is it now Germany? + HAIZER Sending to both Trier and Pfalz lists: I have not been able to find location for Priszen, Luxembourg, and I know the borders between Germany and Luxembourg have changed over the years. My guess is that it is near Mettendorf, Germany and the present-day Germany/Luxembourg border. Or has the town name changed over time? Also seeking information on HAIZER (may also have been spelled HESER). Related to research re: Anna Mary HAIZER Born August 24, 1838 in Priszen, Luxembourg. Died February 2, 1886 in White Lake, South Dakota, United States. (Note: Some research indicates the last name of HAIZER might have been HESER in earlier years-or that HESER was simply a translation from Latin church records error.) She married: Nicholas (Nicolauni) KOCH Born June 28, 1822 - in Mettendorf, Germany Died August 2, 1899, in White Lake, South Dakota, United States. Thank you, Laura Henkes ****************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006 ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to HYPERLINK "http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html"http:/ /lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006

Laura Henkes wrote: > I have not been able to find location for Priszen, Luxembourg, > and I know the borders between Germany and Luxembourg have > changed over the years. My guess is that it is near Mettendorf, > Germany and the present-day Germany/Luxembourg border. Or has > the town name changed over time? What's the source of your information? If it was a handwritten document, is there any possibility of alternate spellings? Kathy

Sending to both Trier and Pfalz lists: I have not been able to find location for Priszen, Luxembourg, and I know the borders between Germany and Luxembourg have changed over the years. My guess is that it is near Mettendorf, Germany and the present-day Germany/Luxembourg border. Or has the town name changed over time? Also seeking information on HAIZER (may also have been spelled HESER). Related to research re: Anna Mary HAIZER Born August 24, 1838 in Priszen, Luxembourg. Died February 2, 1886 in White Lake, South Dakota, United States. (Note: Some research indicates the last name of HAIZER might have been HESER in earlier years—or that HESER was simply a translation from Latin church records error.) She married: Nicholas (Nicolauni) KOCH Born June 28, 1822 - in Mettendorf, Germany Died August 2, 1899, in White Lake, South Dakota, United States. Thank you, Laura Henkes ****************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006

Hilary, Neither GeoServ nor ShtetlSeeker show any village in Germany with the name Hertzweiler. ShtetlSeeker does show 2 villages near Birkenfeld that MIGHT be your Hertzweiler. Herchweiler about 10.5 miles SSE Hirzweiler about 17.8 mile SSW The online LDS Family History Library catalog shows records (church and civil) are available only for Herchweiler. ShtetlSeeker shows the village adjacent to Hirzweiler is Welschbach and there are also church records for that village available. GeoServ give this for Hirzweiler >Hirzweiler >Part of: Illingen >GKZ : 10 0 43 112 >County : | +---- Neunkirchen (Ottweiler) {NK} >Land : +--------- Saarland At 03:00 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote: >From: "Hilary" <hcoulson@comcast.net> >To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Family from Saarland area > >Peter Hartman (aka Johannes Peter Hartman) b circa July 1817 (determined by >subtracting age from date of death) > m. Maria Denk (aka Dench, Dank, Denck) of Spiessen 7 May 1845 (some >question about the year but close if not exact) in parish of Zusch > died: Pittsburgh PA at age 57 on 8 Feb 1876 probably from St Michael's >Church Priest: Ignatius. > >Peter's father: Michael Hartman > born in Neunkirchen in Biesing in Germany (Prussia) > married on 27 October 1811 (Evangelisch, Birkenfeld, Oldenburg, Germnay) >in Boerfink (aka Boerfing, Biesing) in parish of Zusch > married to: Maria Suzanne Schwarz > It is deduced that Michael would have been between 20 and 30 years old at >the time of marriage which would put his birthdate between > 1780 and 1790. > >Michael Hartman's father: > Henrius Hartman found on a record for Michael... that indicated Henrius >was from Neunkirken area possibly Hertzweiler. > married to: Anna Margaretha Harth > If taken in context of each father being 20 to 30 years younger than >their son, Henrius would have been born circa 1750-1770 > >Can anyone give any suggestions on where to go from here? > >I have researched records at the LDS til I am blurry-eyed. Can't figure out >where to look for Hertzweiler records... that region doesn't seem to be >listed with the records of Boerfink, a village in the mts west of >Neunkirken... (Germany Preussen Rhineland Trier or Germany Preussen >Rhineland Zusch or Germany Preussen Rhineland Neunkirchen)). Hertzweiler >appears to be north of Boerfink but it doesn't seem to be listed with >Boerfink in those reels. > >My thanks in advance for any help anyone can give, filling in the cracks or >giving new leads. > >Hilary Coulson >

Peter Hartman (aka Johannes Peter Hartman) b circa July 1817 (determined by subtracting age from date of death) m. Maria Denk (aka Dench, Dank, Denck) of Spiessen 7 May 1845 (some question about the year but close if not exact) in parish of Zusch died: Pittsburgh PA at age 57 on 8 Feb 1876 probably from St Michael's Church Priest: Ignatius. Peter's father: Michael Hartman born in Neunkirchen in Biesing in Germany (Prussia) married on 27 October 1811 (Evangelisch, Birkenfeld, Oldenburg, Germnay) in Boerfink (aka Boerfing, Biesing) in parish of Zusch married to: Maria Suzanne Schwarz It is deduced that Michael would have been between 20 and 30 years old at the time of marriage which would put his birthdate between 1780 and 1790. Michael Hartman's father: Henrius Hartman found on a record for Michael... that indicated Henrius was from Neunkirken area possibly Hertzweiler. married to: Anna Margaretha Harth If taken in context of each father being 20 to 30 years younger than their son, Henrius would have been born circa 1750-1770 Can anyone give any suggestions on where to go from here? I have researched records at the LDS til I am blurry-eyed. Can't figure out where to look for Hertzweiler records... that region doesn't seem to be listed with the records of Boerfink, a village in the mts west of Neunkirken... (Germany Preussen Rhineland Trier or Germany Preussen Rhineland Zusch or Germany Preussen Rhineland Neunkirchen)). Hertzweiler appears to be north of Boerfink but it doesn't seem to be listed with Boerfink in those reels. My thanks in advance for any help anyone can give, filling in the cracks or giving new leads. Hilary Coulson

To Pamela Mumma and all My information about the Nelles family is limited but here is what I know. Years ago my mother told me about my grandmother Margaret Seifert, (maiden name). Her mothers maiden name was Nelles and I think she was from Luxemburg. She (the mother) had several sisters, one was married to Andrew Myers and one to Peter Petre. I looked in the Wisconsin census and found Andrew Myers married to Madeline (or Magdalene), born 1824. That seems right as I remember my family referring to Uncle Andrew and Aunt Lene. As to Peter Petre, Wisconsin census of 1850 and Colusa County, California census of 1860 (same family including children) gives us Peter Petre married to Mary, born 1818, and in the Wisconsin census, living with them is non other than old Peter Nelles, age 78. Also the census records show Peter and Mary Petre were born in France and Andrew and Madeline were born in Prussia (Germany). That Alsace Lorraine area, France, Germany and Luxemburg all come together in that! little corner of the world. Now all of this may or may not connect with your Nelles family, but that''s about all I know. Best of luck Bill Wallace

Guten Tag zu jeder, Ich suche, warscheinlich im Gegend von WESTERKAPPELN (??!!) : Hermann KÄRTKEMEYER, Fußgendarm er ist sicher um 1805/1820 geboren und oo Caroline SÜKROW sicher geschikt durch Preußen nach Kreis Malmedy in die Jahren 1830-45. Im vorraus, ein herzlichen Dank für Ihre Hilfe. Grüssen aus Malmedy, Ost-Belgien. Philippe.

To Pamela Mumma and all My information about the Nelles family is rather limited, but here's what I know. Years ago my mother told me about my grandmother, Margaret Seifert, (maiden name). Margaret's mother's maiden name was Nelles. (not sure about her given name), and she was from Luxemburg. She had several sisters, one was married to Andrew Myers and one to Peter Petre. I looked up the latter two in Wisconsin census records for 1850 and found Andrew Myers married to Madeline (or Magdelene)., born 1824, both born in Prussia That seems right as I recall my family referring to Uncle Andrew and Aunt Lene. True enough. As to Peter Petre, Wisconsin Census of 1850 and Colusa County, California census of 1860 (same family members - both census) gives us Peter Petre married to Mary, born 1818, both born in France. And in the Wisconsin census I find, living with them - dear old Peter Nelles, age 78. Also my mother told me that Peter Nelles' wife was from Luxemburg. I don't know about Peter. All! of these are in the same general Alsace-Lorraine area which might account for the discrepancies. Now this may not connect with your Nelles, but 'tis the best I can do. Best of luck Bill Wallace ----- Original Message ----- From: P Mumma To: Marge & Bill Wallace ; Pamela (Reding) Mumma Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: [SPAM??] Nelles genealogy - Wisconsin Marge If you find anything about the NELLES would you mind telling me. I have a Nelles in my family that we know nothing about. Her name was Elizabeth Nelles she was born April 1 1801 and died March 1 1882. Not sure if her folks immigrated. She married Herman Baus. Herman's son William Baus settled in the La Crosse/St. Mary's Ridge area of Wisconsin. Maybe the parents did too. Is this where you family settled? Pamela Mumma To Werner Lichter and all My grandmother, Anna Margaret Seifert, came from the Trier area to Kenosha, Wisconsin, in 1847. She was born in the village of Beuren (formerly Reuren) in1837. I'm looking at a map. From Trier, go south through Konz and down the Saar River to Saarburg..Take Rte.407 south to Trassen, then southwest through Meurich to Kirl, then right turn and west to Beuren. I have a list from a passenger list arriving in New York in 1847 which I believe to be her family but I'm not sure.I think her mother (my g grandmother) was Margaret Nelles. The Nelles I'm sure of (maybae not the spelling) but that's not on the passenger list, only "Marg." I'd like to verify the maiden name, maybe through church records, of my g grandmoither and of her children (my grandmother's brothers and sisters), but I don't know how to do this. My grandmother married my grandfather, Patrick Wallace in 1867. My father was born in 1871, and I was born in 1922. Werner, I applaud your creation of a data base of immigrants, Trier to Wisconsin. I've followed your name on the list for some time. You're a good friend to all of us - we owe you a lot. Bill Wallace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schummer" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] RE: Trier emigrants to Wisconsin > Hello Werner & all I have many ancestors from these areas . > Schlitz from Moetsch/Masholder that Werner kindly provided informations > about. my 4th great grandfather Peter Schommer abt 1700 from Kell info > provided by Josef Besch from the Sudlicher Hochwald database and Benny > Dages translating info from Reiner Schmitt author of a familienbuch in > the area of Hermeskeil . I recently found a website while surfing the > internet for Nicholas Schneider from Kehrig near Mayen. These emigrants > settled in Chicago and some ended up in Detroit Michigan . There was > another group that went from Chicago To Winona Minnesota . I have ties to > both groups. There seems to be several entries in World Connect , but no > one ties them together . Johannes Peter Schneider Kehrig died Jan 1733. > is the ultimate one on record. I have submitted my gedcom to the Sudlicher > Hochwald site http://www.online-ofb.de/hochwald/karte.php? I provided > documentation on my basic line in form of death certificates copies of > Lds records on microfilm e tc. Additional info that I provide later for > example the Schneiders will be based on other peoples research , that I > truly believe to be accurate. . I would like to see a centralized database > . Mike Schummer t: Tuesday, June > 27, 2006 3:01 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] RE: Trier emigrants to W isconsin > Werner Lichter wrote : > > Is it possible to start a Trans-Atlantic connection ? >> I am trying to create a database of the most emigrants from Trier region >> . >> Early emigrants 1842-1857 came from: >> > a) Bitburg, Matzen, Moetsch, Fliessem, Nattenheim, Kyllburg, Wilsecker >> (a circle of 15 miles north and northeast of Bitburg). >> b) the area between Daun and Mayen (a lot of smal and poor villages) >> (starting 40 miles east of Trier) >> c) Kell (near Schillingen), Schillingen, Waldweiler (all 20 miles south >> of Trier) >> d) a lot of early emigrants from Luxemburg can be found in "The >> Luxembourgers in the new World", >> by Nicolas Gonner/Dubuque/IA). >> >> Werner J. 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Hello to all, a new family book will be released within the next 2 - 3 months for the parish Alflen Kreis Cochem, written by Matthias Peters, Kenn, and myself. The parish Alflen once included the villages Buechel, Gevenich, Auderath so datas can be found for all people of these places for the period from 1600 - 1899. Churchbooks were transcribed and non-ecclestical documents , such as tax-lists, land-records, mortgage-registers etc, were included. Emigrants from these villages as far as they are known are likewise mentioned. An example of one page of the book is published on my homepage http://www.ursula-buchholz.com/Navigation/Ortsfamilienbuch%20MasburgMuellenbach/Musterseite/Alflen.PDF Family names and residential places mentioned in the book can be found here: http://www.ursula-buchholz.com/Navigation/Ortsfamilienbuch%20MasburgMuellenbach/Ortsindex_Alflen/ortsindex_alflen.html Anybody interested in the book may contact me OFF-LIST please. regards, Ursula mailto: ursula<at>ursula-buchholz.com http://www.ursula-buchholz.com