>From the 'Of Pilgrimage Prayer and Promise' published by the Westphalia Historical Society, Westphalia, Michigan 1986. This IS copyrighted material, but I'm sure they won't mind as long as you provide a reference. PLINE/PLEIN, Nicholas, b 1828 in the Rhineland, Germany; arr. In the 1860s; sett. in Lyons Twp. near Maple Corners, then in Portland Twp. now the Bill Bohr farm; (Nicholas and Anna Maria were young sweethearts in their German homeland, but they became separated. When Anna Maria and her two brothers immigrated, she was not aware that Nicholas had also left for America. They met again and were married in New York City. They moved to Pennsylvania where they stayed for 2 years, then to Alpine, MI where they remained until their settlement in Westphalia, MI). Wife: Anna Maria Pitsch, b 1829 in the Rhineland, possibly Speicher, District of Bitburg, Germany Children 9: (Spouses omitted) 1. Nicholas, b 1857 2. Gertrude, b 1857 3. Mathias, b 1859 4. Margaretha, b 1861 5. Elizabeth, b 30 Sept. 1863 6. Peter, b 1865 7. Christina, b 7 May 1868 8. Hubert, b Aug 1870 9. Anthony, b 31 Oct 1872 Please note, this family is not related to me and I have no further information (other than the names of the children's spouses which will be sent on request only). If this does tie into your family, please let me know so I can forward this info to the Pline Family in Michigan, as I'm sure they would like to know. Mit freundlich Grüßen, Joe Miller, Troy, MI
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Thanks, AJ. aj <ancestorseeker@comcast.net> wrote: There are Pleins in Illinois, Kane County, Aurora; Nebraska, Adams County, Roseland who later moved to San Bernardino County, California. gretchen henry wrote: > Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. > > > (¯`v´¯) > `*.¸.*´ > ¸.´¸.*¨)¸.*¨) > (¸.´ (¸.´ .´ ¸¸.¨¯`. ..Gretch > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸.´¸.*¨)¸.*¨) (¸.´ (¸.´ .´ ¸¸.¨¯`. ..Gretch
Thanks. My Pleins were in Kane, Aurora. Someone advised that Charles immigrated in 1871. aj <ancestorseeker@comcast.net> wrote: There are Pleins in Illinois, Kane County, Aurora; Nebraska, Adams County, Roseland who later moved to San Bernardino County, California. gretchen henry wrote: > Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. > > > (¯`v´¯) > `*.¸.*´ > ¸.´¸.*¨)¸.*¨) > (¸.´ (¸.´ .´ ¸¸.¨¯`. ..Gretch > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That might help me to know where the Michigan Pleins departed from. Thanks jmiller5363@wowway.com wrote: There is a somewhat large Plein/Pline family that settled in Westphalia Michigan. I have to look if they listed their point of departure though. Note: the first settlers were from Westphalia Germany, hence the name. Later, there were large numbers coming from the Rhineland, including Trier. Joe Miller Troy, Michigan On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:49:54 -0800 (PST), gretchen henry wrote > Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested > to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. > > (¯`v´¯) > `*.¸.*´ > ¸.´¸.*¨)¸.*¨) > (¸.´ (¸.´ .´ ¸¸.¨¯`. ..Gretch > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mit dem Datum vom 17. April 1723 gestand Graf Friedrich-Ludwig (gestorben 1728) aus dem weitverzweigten nassauischen Grafenhaus den zwei Glasmachern Eberhard und Wentzel aus dem nassauischen Breitenborn bei Hanau Hüttenrechte im Wald an dem Stockbach auf Ottweiler Bann zu. Die entstehende Siedlung wurde nach ihrem Gründer Friedrichsthal genannt. Eigentümer auf Zeit dieser Hütte und des umliegenden Landes von fast 250 Morgen waren Ludwig Adolph Eberhard (gestorben 1770) und Johann Martin Wentzel (gestorben 1764). Als dritter Beständer (so nannte man diese Eigentümer) trat Martins Bruder Johann Gerhard (gestorben 1763) hinzu. Die Wentzels entstammen einem sehr alten Glasmachergeschlecht. Es war eine kleine Hütte mitten im Wald mit recht dürftiger Umgebung. Ein paar Häuser, eine Quelle, Scheunen für das Vieh, aber immerhin an der Straße und der Tränke für die Pferde gelegen, auf der die Grafen samt Gefolge zwischen Saarbrücken, Neunkirchen, Ottweiler und dem Jagdhaus Erkershöhe hin- und herreisten. Die Hütte bestand nur sieben Jahre und lag gegenüber der heutigen Polizeiwache in Friedrichsthal; später wurden dort Glasmacherhäuser erbaut, die "Schlawerie" oder der "D-Zug" genannt. Dies sind Bezeichnungen, die wir im Allgemeinen erst für Entwicklungen im 19. Jahrhundert benutzen, im Saarland etwa mit dem Begriff der Prämienhäuser für die Bergleute der staatlichen Gruben. Tatsächlich gab es aber schon früher Arbeiter, die ihre Wohnung bei ihrer Arbeit fanden, ähnlich wie Knechte mit ihren Familien in der Landwirtschaft. Seitdem die Hütten wegen ihrer Abhängigkeit von der Wasserkraft feste Standorte hatten, mußte zum Beispiel der Schmelzbetrieb auch in der Nacht besetzt sein. So waren sicher auch bei der um 1593 gegründeten Hütte in Neunkirchen einige "Werkswohnungen" wie wir heute sagen würden. Nach den Zerstörungen im Dreißigjährigen Krieg 1635 bemühte sich ab 1652 Graf Johann Ludwig, der gerade die Regierung übernommen hatte, um den Wiederaufbau. Das größte Hindernis war der Mangel an Fachkräften in der Region. Im Entwurf eines Einstandsbriefs für Lambert Dippengießer sagte er diesem zu: "dass wir im Willen das Werk wieder aufzurichten und in Gang zu bringen dabey die Meister und Knechte, so darauf künftig bestellet und werken nicht nur allen die bei Berg- und Hüttenwerken gewöhnlichen Privilegien und Freiheiten geben, sondern diese auch nicht fallen unter die Kirchenzucht". Das war im Mai 1652 eine ungewöhnliche Zusage. Erst 1684 gelingt es, die Hütte wieder in Schwung zu bringen, in der Abrechnung des Faktors Simon Lefebur vom 27. März 1686 sind über 50 Arbeiter aufgeführt, für diese Zeit eine große Belegschaft. Die meisten Namen sind französischen oder wallonischen Ursprungs. Beginnend in diesen Jahren wanderten in den kommenden Jahrzehnten viele Wallonen in die Saargegend und in den Hochwald ein. Nach Neunkirchen kamen ab 1680 und dann um 1685 mit einem neuen Pächter, dem aus Arlon stammenden Remacle Joseph Hauzeur, viele Facharbeiter wallonischen Ursprungs, meist Katholiken. Um diese Arbeiter auf die Dauer zu halten, stellte ihnen das gräfliche Rentamt kleine Grundstücke zur Verfügung und es entstand rechts des Sinnerthaler Wegs eine erste Arbeitersiedlung, die später Schlawerie genannt wurde. Auf einer Karte des Geländes (Tractus 25 von Neunkirchen), von der eine Kopie von 1822 erhalten ist, sind noch die sehr kleinen Parzellen zu erkennen. Die aufgeführten Namen sind noch über 100 Jahre nach der Gründung der Siedlung in der Mehrzahl wallonischen Ursprungs: Lieblang-Liblanc, Lehberger-Liberger, Schille-Gillet. Die Becker und Müller waren Familien, die in die frei werdenden Häuser eingezogen waren, als die Vorbesitzer mit den wallonischen Pächtern Hauzeur und Godtbisle in den Hochwald weiter zogen. (Siehe Foto oben links)Woher kam nun der Name Schlawerie? Nach Ansicht mancher alten Neunkircher von Slawen für die man die Nachbarn wegen ihres dunklen Typs, ihrer fremden Eigenarten und ihrem Dialekt hielt. in Wirklichkeit gab es wohl keine slawischen Zuwanderer in unserer Gegend. Aber noch um 1930 nannte man einen braungebrannten Mann mit dunklen Haaren "Walluner". Irgendwann ist wohl aus der Siedlung der Wallonen die Schlawerie geworden. Bemerkenswert ist noch, dass Arbeiter so weit von der Hütte angesiedelt wurden. Grund war wohl eine gewollte Trennung der neuen katholischen Neunkircher vom eigentlichen Dorf. Für die Katholiken unterhielt man eine zeitlang bei der Kohlenscheuer in der Schmelz eine Kirche, welche von einem Pater aus Homburg betreut wurde. Über diese günstigen Wohnmöglichkeiten hinausgab es für die Arbeiter weitere Vergünstigungen. Manche dieser damals festgelegten "Deputate", wie man sie später nannte, blieben bis in unsere Zeit erhalten. So gab es freien oder verbilligten Hausbrand bis um 1960. http://www.hvsn.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=0 Werner J. Lichter Lindenstr. 1, 54292 Trier -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com]Im Auftrag von W. David Samuelsen Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 08:23 An: Trier-Roots Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS] Schlaverie at Neunkirchen Can anyone familiar with Neunkirchen, tell me what is Schlaverie? I find lot of references to this place called Schlaverie (Neunkirchen in Kr. Ottweiler - south of St. Wendel, not the one in Kr. Daun) W. David Samuelsen Kabel Deutschland bietet Ihnen Internet, Telefonieren und Fernsehen aus einer Hand. 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Werner, This list is a Enlgish language first. Translation please for benefit of others, including me. W. David Samuelsen, listadmin Werner.Lichter@kabeldeutschland.de wrote: > > Mit dem Datum vom 17. April 1723 gestand Graf Friedrich-Ludwig (gestorben > 1728) aus dem weitverzweigten nassauischen Grafenhaus den zwei Glasmachern > Eberhard und Wentzel aus dem nassauischen Breitenborn bei Hanau Hüttenrechte > im Wald an dem Stockbach auf Ottweiler Bann zu. Die entstehende Siedlung > wurde nach ihrem Gründer Friedrichsthal genannt. Eigentümer auf Zeit dieser > Hütte und des umliegenden Landes von fast 250 Morgen waren Ludwig Adolph > Eberhard (gestorben 1770) und Johann Martin Wentzel (gestorben 1764). Als > dritter Beständer (so nannte man diese Eigentümer) trat Martins Bruder > Johann Gerhard (gestorben 1763) hinzu. Die Wentzels entstammen einem sehr > alten Glasmachergeschlecht. Es war eine kleine Hütte mitten im Wald mit > recht dürftiger Umgebung. Ein paar Häuser, eine Quelle, Scheunen für das > Vieh, aber immerhin an der Straße und der Tränke für die Pferde gelegen, auf > der die Grafen samt Gefolge zwischen Saarbrücken, Neunkirchen, Ottweiler und > dem Jagdhaus Erkershöhe hin- und herreisten. Die Hütte bestand nur sieben > Jahre und lag gegenüber der heutigen Polizeiwache in Friedrichsthal; später > wurden dort Glasmacherhäuser erbaut, die "Schlawerie" oder der "D-Zug" > genannt. > Dies sind Bezeichnungen, die wir im Allgemeinen erst für Entwicklungen im > 19. Jahrhundert benutzen, im Saarland etwa mit dem Begriff der Prämienhäuser > für die Bergleute der staatlichen Gruben. Tatsächlich gab es aber schon > früher Arbeiter, die ihre Wohnung bei ihrer Arbeit fanden, ähnlich wie > Knechte mit ihren Familien in der Landwirtschaft. Seitdem die Hütten wegen > ihrer Abhängigkeit von der Wasserkraft feste Standorte hatten, mußte zum > Beispiel der Schmelzbetrieb auch in der Nacht besetzt sein. So waren sicher > auch bei der um 1593 gegründeten Hütte in Neunkirchen einige > "Werkswohnungen" wie wir heute sagen würden. > Nach den Zerstörungen im Dreißigjährigen Krieg 1635 bemühte sich ab 1652 > Graf Johann Ludwig, der gerade die Regierung übernommen hatte, um den > Wiederaufbau. Das größte Hindernis war der Mangel an Fachkräften in der > Region. Im Entwurf eines Einstandsbriefs für Lambert Dippengießer sagte er > diesem zu: "dass wir im Willen das Werk wieder aufzurichten und in Gang zu > bringen dabey die Meister und Knechte, so darauf künftig bestellet und > werken nicht nur allen die bei Berg- und Hüttenwerken gewöhnlichen > Privilegien und Freiheiten geben, sondern diese auch nicht fallen unter die > Kirchenzucht". Das war im Mai 1652 eine ungewöhnliche Zusage. Erst 1684 > gelingt es, die Hütte wieder in Schwung zu bringen, in der Abrechnung des > Faktors Simon Lefebur vom 27. März 1686 sind über 50 Arbeiter aufgeführt, > für diese Zeit eine große Belegschaft. Die meisten Namen sind französischen > oder wallonischen Ursprungs. > Beginnend in diesen Jahren wanderten in den kommenden Jahrzehnten viele > Wallonen in die Saargegend und in den Hochwald ein. Nach Neunkirchen kamen > ab 1680 und dann um 1685 mit einem neuen Pächter, dem aus Arlon stammenden > Remacle Joseph Hauzeur, viele Facharbeiter wallonischen Ursprungs, meist > Katholiken. Um diese Arbeiter auf die Dauer zu halten, stellte ihnen das > gräfliche Rentamt kleine Grundstücke zur Verfügung und es entstand rechts > des Sinnerthaler Wegs eine erste Arbeitersiedlung, die später Schlawerie > genannt wurde. > Auf einer Karte des Geländes (Tractus 25 von Neunkirchen), von der eine > Kopie von 1822 erhalten ist, sind noch die sehr kleinen Parzellen zu > erkennen. Die aufgeführten Namen sind noch über 100 Jahre nach der Gründung > der Siedlung in der Mehrzahl wallonischen Ursprungs: Lieblang-Liblanc, > Lehberger-Liberger, Schille-Gillet. Die Becker und Müller waren Familien, > die in die frei werdenden Häuser eingezogen waren, als die Vorbesitzer mit > den wallonischen Pächtern Hauzeur und Godtbisle in den Hochwald weiter > zogen. (Siehe Foto oben links)Woher kam nun der Name Schlawerie? Nach > Ansicht mancher alten Neunkircher von Slawen für die man die Nachbarn wegen > ihres dunklen Typs, ihrer fremden Eigenarten und ihrem Dialekt hielt. in > Wirklichkeit gab es wohl keine slawischen Zuwanderer in unserer Gegend. Aber > noch um 1930 nannte man einen braungebrannten Mann mit dunklen Haaren > "Walluner". Irgendwann ist wohl aus der Siedlung der Wallonen die Schlawerie > geworden. > Bemerkenswert ist noch, dass Arbeiter so weit von der Hütte angesiedelt > wurden. Grund war wohl eine gewollte Trennung der neuen katholischen > Neunkircher vom eigentlichen Dorf. Für die Katholiken unterhielt man eine > zeitlang bei der Kohlenscheuer in der Schmelz eine Kirche, welche von einem > Pater aus Homburg betreut wurde. > Über diese günstigen Wohnmöglichkeiten hinausgab es für die Arbeiter weitere > Vergünstigungen. Manche dieser damals festgelegten "Deputate", wie man sie > später nannte, blieben bis in unsere Zeit erhalten. So gab es freien oder > verbilligten Hausbrand bis um 1960. > http://www.hvsn.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=0 > > > Werner J. Lichter > Lindenstr. 1, 54292 Trier > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com]Im Auftrag von W. David > Samuelsen > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 08:23 > An: Trier-Roots > Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS] Schlaverie at Neunkirchen > > > Can anyone familiar with Neunkirchen, tell me what is Schlaverie? > > I find lot of references to this place called Schlaverie (Neunkirchen > in Kr. Ottweiler - south of St. Wendel, not the one in Kr. Daun) > > W. David Samuelsen > > > Kabel Deutschland bietet Ihnen Internet, Telefonieren und Fernsehen aus einer Hand. Informieren Sie sich über unsere Produkte unter > > www.kabeldeutschland.de > > Diese E-Mail und etwaige Anhänge enthalten vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind, benachrichtigen Sie bitte den Absender und vernichten Sie anschließend diese Mail und die Anlagen. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Can anyone familiar with Neunkirchen, tell me what is Schlaverie? I find lot of references to this place called Schlaverie (Neunkirchen in Kr. Ottweiler - south of St. Wendel, not the one in Kr. Daun) W. David Samuelsen
Well, your Plein could be related. Trier is certainly close to Luxemborg. My oldest Plein (that I know anything about) is John, b. 1815 prbly. in Trier. My Pleins settled in IL near & in Dixon. Many thanks for your response. Gretchen jknott41@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have a Plein relative from Luxembourg, born around 1780, relatives came over to Minnesota, around ST. Cloud, the Weber family. Jack jknott41@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge dellwo" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I mean the Koblenz records. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Derr" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Now that you have the census listing you should look at the whole page and look for the columns of years married, if they are naturalized and how long they have been in the U.S. If he was only 9 yrs old then there may be other members of the family on the same ship. Go to the Castle Garden site in New York where all of the arrivals came before Ellis Island started screening passengers. Again I which to state to the Trier searchers that the exit papers for my grandfather and his brothers are filed in the Archives in Koblenz, Germany. If you don't find him arriving in NY then get to an archive that has the alphabetized list on film for the people arriving in Baltimore. The list of Baltimore arrivals even had the name of my grandmother's home village. Check marriage records for Lee county as you also have the name of the spouse. Mary Ann Derr ---- Original Message ----- From: swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry > wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸..´¸..*¨)¸..*¨) (¸..´ (¸..´ ..´ ¸¸..¨¯`.. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That's him. I can't thank you enough. When I 1st started genea. I didn't copy info. from that column on the census, and obviously, never went back. I've poured over the "Germans to America" books & didn't find him. Now, I know the book to look in. Thanks, again. Gretchen swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com wrote: Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸.´¸.*¨)¸.*¨) (¸.´ (¸.´ .´ ¸¸.¨¯`. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Patrick: Checking my tree, I find some Fisch family, Adolph the oldest born around 1890 had a daughter Mary that married a Weydert from northwest Iowa. Another Nicholas Fisch married a Felter from Luxembourg, while in Luxembourg, he was born around 1895. There are some children in the 1910-1920 period also. Does any of that match up? Jack Knott Phone: 314-265-7778 (cell) Fax: 636-352-0181 jknott41@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Fish" <pfishyuma@adelphia.net> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I noticed you mention the name Weber. My name is Patrick Fish and one of my relatives Christian Fisch married a Margaretha Weber in Aach, Trier in 1820. Christian was from Trierweiler, Trier and the son of Johan Peter Fisch and Anna Maria Hettinger. My gg grandfather Philippus Fisch was Christian's brother. Philip immigrated from Bekond, Schweich, Germany 18 Jul 1846 Anterp to NY and went directly to Chicago. My G grandfather John Fis(c)h b. in Bekond 1840 moved from Chicago to Menominee, MI in 1885 and my grandfather Francis James Fish moved to Dulutn, MN ca. 1906. Any connection? Patrick Joseph Fish, Yuma ,AZ pfishyuma@roadrunner.com -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jknott41@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:40 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I have a Plein relative from Luxembourg, born around 1780, relatives came over to Minnesota, around ST. Cloud, the Weber family. Jack jknott41@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge dellwo" <Margedellwo@charter.net> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com>; <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I mean the Koblenz records. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Derr" <mmaderr@msn.com> To: <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com>; <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Now that you have the census listing you should look at the whole page and look for the columns of years married, if they are naturalized and how long they have been in the U.S. If he was only 9 yrs old then there may be other members of the family on the same ship. Go to the Castle Garden site in New York where all of the arrivals came before Ellis Island started screening passengers. Again I which to state to the Trier searchers that the exit papers for my grandfather and his brothers are filed in the Archives in Koblenz, Germany. If you don't find him arriving in NY then get to an archive that has the alphabetized list on film for the people arriving in Baltimore. The list of Baltimore arrivals even had the name of my grandmother's home village. Check marriage records for Lee county as you also have the name of the spouse. Mary Ann Derr ---- Original Message ----- From: swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry <gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net>> wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸..´¸..*¨)¸..*¨) (¸..´ (¸..´ ..´ ¸¸..¨¯`.. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I noticed you mention the name Weber. My name is Patrick Fish and one of my relatives Christian Fisch married a Margaretha Weber in Aach, Trier in 1820. Christian was from Trierweiler, Trier and the son of Johan Peter Fisch and Anna Maria Hettinger. My gg grandfather Philippus Fisch was Christian's brother. Philip immigrated from Bekond, Schweich, Germany 18 Jul 1846 Anterp to NY and went directly to Chicago. My G grandfather John Fis(c)h b. in Bekond 1840 moved from Chicago to Menominee, MI in 1885 and my grandfather Francis James Fish moved to Dulutn, MN ca. 1906. Any connection? Patrick Joseph Fish, Yuma ,AZ pfishyuma@roadrunner.com -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jknott41@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:40 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I have a Plein relative from Luxembourg, born around 1780, relatives came over to Minnesota, around ST. Cloud, the Weber family. Jack jknott41@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge dellwo" <Margedellwo@charter.net> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com>; <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I mean the Koblenz records. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Derr" <mmaderr@msn.com> To: <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com>; <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Now that you have the census listing you should look at the whole page and look for the columns of years married, if they are naturalized and how long they have been in the U.S. If he was only 9 yrs old then there may be other members of the family on the same ship. Go to the Castle Garden site in New York where all of the arrivals came before Ellis Island started screening passengers. Again I which to state to the Trier searchers that the exit papers for my grandfather and his brothers are filed in the Archives in Koblenz, Germany. If you don't find him arriving in NY then get to an archive that has the alphabetized list on film for the people arriving in Baltimore. The list of Baltimore arrivals even had the name of my grandmother's home village. Check marriage records for Lee county as you also have the name of the spouse. Mary Ann Derr ---- Original Message ----- From: swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry <gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net>> wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸..´¸..*¨)¸..*¨) (¸..´ (¸..´ ..´ ¸¸..¨¯`.. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have a Plein relative from Luxembourg, born around 1780, relatives came over to Minnesota, around ST. Cloud, the Weber family. Jack jknott41@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge dellwo" <Margedellwo@charter.net> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com>; <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I mean the Koblenz records. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Derr" <mmaderr@msn.com> To: <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com>; <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Now that you have the census listing you should look at the whole page and look for the columns of years married, if they are naturalized and how long they have been in the U.S. If he was only 9 yrs old then there may be other members of the family on the same ship. Go to the Castle Garden site in New York where all of the arrivals came before Ellis Island started screening passengers. Again I which to state to the Trier searchers that the exit papers for my grandfather and his brothers are filed in the Archives in Koblenz, Germany. If you don't find him arriving in NY then get to an archive that has the alphabetized list on film for the people arriving in Baltimore. The list of Baltimore arrivals even had the name of my grandmother's home village. Check marriage records for Lee county as you also have the name of the spouse. Mary Ann Derr ---- Original Message ----- From: swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry <gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net>> wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸..´¸..*¨)¸..*¨) (¸..´ (¸..´ ..´ ¸¸..¨¯`.. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sorry Marge, The Archives in Koblenz would have to be looked up in the directory, Your Genealogical section of the library should have a Theod's German directory. Use Cyndi's list and look for the German Archive lists. I am not sure if they answer e-mails. It has been about 20 years since I received my records. The records have stamps of approval from the district and village. The date of departure was stamped on the records. The columns include military service years, birth,etc. We never did find a record of my grandfather's sisters exit. I guess that women did not need those papers to leave. The reason for the exit papers was to prove that the emigrant did not have a debt. Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Marge dellwo<mailto:Margedellwo@charter.net> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> ; swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein I mean the Koblenz records. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Derr" <mmaderr@msn.com<mailto:mmaderr@msn.com>> To: <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com>>; <trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Now that you have the census listing you should look at the whole page and look for the columns of years married, if they are naturalized and how long they have been in the U.S. If he was only 9 yrs old then there may be other members of the family on the same ship. Go to the Castle Garden site in New York where all of the arrivals came before Ellis Island started screening passengers. Again I which to state to the Trier searchers that the exit papers for my grandfather and his brothers are filed in the Archives in Koblenz, Germany. If you don't find him arriving in NY then get to an archive that has the alphabetized list on film for the people arriving in Baltimore. The list of Baltimore arrivals even had the name of my grandmother's home village. Check marriage records for Lee county as you also have the name of the spouse. Mary Ann Derr ---- Original Message ----- From: swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com>> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry <gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net>>> wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸..´¸..*¨)¸..*¨) (¸..´ (¸..´ ..´ ¸¸..¨¯`.. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jeanine, try http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml read how to navigate the site and maybe you will have luck. Laura -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JeanieG731@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:27 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] CastleGarden Thank you to everyone who sent the Castle garden website. Unfortunately I had no luck finding my great grandparents. I know they came to US in the 1850s but no one seems to have record of their arrival. Thanks again, _JeanieG731@aol.com_ (mailto:JeanieG731@aol.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you to everyone who sent the Castle garden website. Unfortunately I had no luck finding my great grandparents. I know they came to US in the 1850s but no one seems to have record of their arrival. Thanks again, _JeanieG731@aol.com_ (mailto:JeanieG731@aol.com)
There is a somewhat large Plein/Pline family that settled in Westphalia Michigan. I have to look if they listed their point of departure though. Note: the first settlers were from Westphalia Germany, hence the name. Later, there were large numbers coming from the Rhineland, including Trier. Joe Miller Troy, Michigan On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:49:54 -0800 (PST), gretchen henry wrote > Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested > to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. > > (¯`v´¯) > `*.¸.*´ > ¸.´¸.*¨)¸.*¨) > (¸.´ (¸.´ .´ ¸¸.¨¯`. ..Gretch > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
How do I find the "Castle Garden" site for passengers?
www.castlegarden.org Will get you there
I mean the Koblenz records. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Derr" <mmaderr@msn.com> To: <swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com>; <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Now that you have the census listing you should look at the whole page and look for the columns of years married, if they are naturalized and how long they have been in the U.S. If he was only 9 yrs old then there may be other members of the family on the same ship. Go to the Castle Garden site in New York where all of the arrivals came before Ellis Island started screening passengers. Again I which to state to the Trier searchers that the exit papers for my grandfather and his brothers are filed in the Archives in Koblenz, Germany. If you don't find him arriving in NY then get to an archive that has the alphabetized list on film for the people arriving in Baltimore. The list of Baltimore arrivals even had the name of my grandmother's home village. Check marriage records for Lee county as you also have the name of the spouse. Mary Ann Derr ---- Original Message ----- From: swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com<mailto:swguardian-rootsweb@yahoo.com> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Plein Found the following. Is this the person? 1900 US Census Illinois, Lee, Dixon Charles Plein Born: Aug 1862 Emigrated: 1871 Occupation: Saloon Keeper Wife: Rosella gretchen henry <gretchen39@verizon.net<mailto:gretchen39@verizon.net>> wrote: Searching for Plein. Charles b. abt. 9Aug1863 in Trier. Interested to know when he imigrated to poss. IL USA. (¯`v´¯) `*.¸.*´ ¸..´¸..*¨)¸..*¨) (¸..´ (¸..´ ..´ ¸¸..¨¯`.. ..Gretch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..................... "No principle of general law is more universally acknowledged, than the perfect equality of nations. Russia and Geneva have equal rights. It results from this equality, that no one can rightfully impose a rule on another....As no nation can prescribe a rule for others, none can make a law of nations."--John Marshall Sue Watkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message