I have changed servers 2 x in the last few months besides changing telephone numbers and addresses. You are such a helpful list. I am combing through old records. Does anyone know if Thiergarten had their own church and where would the records be? Thank you, marge

I am interested in any of the above names that were in the Oberbillig area in the early 1700s. Thank you. Pat

I just saw a request for names from the above area. If it is available I am interested in the above names plus SCHRIEBER, FERSCHWEILER WITZMANN All from the 1700s. Thank you.

I have a Clasen, Klasen and sometimes very early Cloosen. My cousins pronounce the name in Oberbillig like Glasen. I am not sure about the other names on your list. Ferschweiler sounds familiar but I cannot get to the records at the moment. Cloosen appears in the Langsur area until about 1735 when the Klasen family moved to Oberbillig. Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: PThum@aol.com<mailto:PThum@aol.com> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Oberbillig bei Trier, Langsur - SCHUBECKER, CLASEN,BLASIUS, WEBER, NEUSES, RODT I just saw a request for names from the above area. If it is available I am interested in the above names plus SCHRIEBER, FERSCHWEILER WITZMANN All from the 1700s. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't posted my family names for awhile and since Schoenecken has just popped up I thought I'd give another try at finding someone researching the same families. I am researching the IRSFELD family of Schoenecken-Wetteldorf, Trier. Nicolaus Irsfeld m. Catherine HENCKES in 1756. Peter Handels Irsfeld m. Dorothea GITZEN in 1781. Nicolaus Irsfeld m. Christina BROCHEN in 1810. Lambert Irsfeld m. Margaret THEISGES in 1847. (also marriage to MINERATH). Margaret Theisges was from Badem. Her mother was a BECKER from Dudeldorf. Katherine IRSFELD m. Wilhelm ENGELN (immigrated from Leer, Hanover but there are Engeln's in Schoenecken area also..can't be sure). This family immigrated to Mequon and Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Most of the rest of the Irsfelds moved from Wisconsin to Minnesota. Sally in Wisconsin

it is true. americans should know that if they are looking for an OLD gravesite they should quit because there is none. there should be a list of who they removed and who WAS buried there. we went to bavaria looking for my gr. grandparents graves and didn't find any but we did find the records of when they died and of what. thanks for confirming what i found out. doris

This is so true- re the recycled graves. For those of us from the US it would seem to me that there should be at least a list of something like buried in this spot- current person, and back and so forth.

We were in Germany last month and saw this phenomenon. Perhaps the difference is, of course, that the Germans have had periods when they've had to bury many people all at one time--locals, friendly forces and invaders. We saw one small (3-5 acres) burial ground where 65,000 (we checked the figure with several people) Russian soldiers were buried during WWII. They had been trapped inside German lines, and the Soviets were either unwilling or unable to rescue them; the Nazis simply penned them up and left them to die. The markers are heartbreaking--many were boys of no more than 13 and 14. That ground is, of course, sacred and probably won't be touched for a very long time--rightly so. My ancestors' graves in the churchyard just down the road, however, have long since been recycled. The locals' grave markers were no more than 30 years old, though the church is many hundreds of years old. Maureen in CA -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yns1964@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:39 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Names of Cities This is so true- re the recycled graves. For those of us from the US it would seem to me that there should be at least a list of something like buried in this spot- current person, and back and so forth. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello. I'm Brazilian and my g-g-g-g-father ( Antonio -or Antonius- Molitor) came from Germany. He was born ( or baptized) in Neuerburg (near Bitburg) in 28 FEB 1808. Father Petri (Peter) Molitor - baptized 1 FEB 1767- Piesport Mother - Anna Catharin Zwick - born around 1777. Antonio Molitor came to Brazil around 1829 to be a soldier. Last year I went to Germany 'cause I'd like to know Neuerburg. It's a very small town in the top of hill. There is a Castle. I loved so much. I also knew Prum, Trier, Koblens and Köln. I traveled by train and bus. It was a beautiful journey to the past. I found a Molitor that went to Minnesota, USA. He was son of Peter Molitor's brother, Mathias J. Molitor Antonio Molitor da Silva Brazil

Ernst is right. This is a topic as old I care to remember. I am not so sure about his predictions that we won't see a merger in the next 50 years. I am sure we will have to vote about it within the next decade, and it will be a seriously hot contest, where I would not want to predict the outcome. Would be similar to the 1955 vote. Personally, I buy into some of arguments for merger, but it would never ever get my vote. -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ernst Mettlach Sent: 19 December 2006 10:49 To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Saarland merger? W. David Samuelsen schrieb: > what? Whose idea is this? Saarland is unique unto itself. > > David Samuelsen > > Ernst Mettlach wrote: > >> PS: This story is not at an end. Actually, there are discussions to >> merge Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland into one federal state. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > David, this was not a joke. There is a commitee in Berlin (Foederalismusreform) that made the proposals to reduce the number of german federal states from now 16 to 9 or 10. There were commitees earlier in the 1950s (Luther-Ausschuss) and 70s (Ernst-Kommitee) who recommended a merger. Experts say, that a federal state needs to have at least 5 Million inhabitants. As Rheinland-Pfalz has 4 Mio citizens and Saarland less than 1,1 Mio, our States would be hot candidates for a merger. Some experts say, Hessen, Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland have to merge. The idea of merging federal states is as old as the German federal republic. The reason is simple: Money. It is more expensive per capita to pay a government and a parliament for 1 Mio people than for 5 Mio people. Many german federal states only survive, because the richer states pay huge sums for them. This system is called Laenderfinanzausgleich. The rich countries (Bavaria and Baden-Wuertemberg e.g) pay the poor (Saarland, Bremen, the eastern states) receive money. Some people say that is solidarity, some people think this is unjust. The german federal constitution (Grundgesetz) allows a restructuring. Article 29 says that the federal states could be restructured to ensure that the federal states are big and strong enough to fulfill their tasks . But it also says, that cultural and historical ties have to be respected. A restructuring has to be done by law of the federal government Germany and to be affirmed by the people living in the federal states with a plebiscite. There was an attempt to merger the states Berlin and Brandenburg in 1996 but the people said "No". The last merger of states was in 1952, when Baden and Wuertemberg came together and are now Baden-Wuertemberg. In 2003, the head of Rhineland-Palatinate, Kurt Beck, made the proposals to merge Rlp and Saarland. But the Saarländer refused to do so. As people in the Trier and Saarland are known to be bullheaded and somtimes behave like a bad tempered old mule and as they are, as a result of history, suspicious of any paternalism by governments, I don`t think the merger will take place in the next 50 years. Maybe it will hapen sooner when the government of the Saarland runs out of money. If you´re interested in more details, look at this page in german Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neugliederung_des_Bundesgebietes Regards, Ernst ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

W. David Samuelsen schrieb: > what? Whose idea is this? Saarland is unique unto itself. > > David Samuelsen > > Ernst Mettlach wrote: > >> PS: This story is not at an end. Actually, there are discussions to >> merge Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland into one federal state. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > David, this was not a joke. There is a commitee in Berlin (Foederalismusreform) that made the proposals to reduce the number of german federal states from now 16 to 9 or 10. There were commitees earlier in the 1950s (Luther-Ausschuss) and 70s (Ernst-Kommitee) who recommended a merger. Experts say, that a federal state needs to have at least 5 Million inhabitants. As Rheinland-Pfalz has 4 Mio citizens and Saarland less than 1,1 Mio, our States would be hot candidates for a merger. Some experts say, Hessen, Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland have to merge. The idea of merging federal states is as old as the German federal republic. The reason is simple: Money. It is more expensive per capita to pay a government and a parliament for 1 Mio people than for 5 Mio people. Many german federal states only survive, because the richer states pay huge sums for them. This system is called Laenderfinanzausgleich. The rich countries (Bavaria and Baden-Wuertemberg e.g) pay the poor (Saarland, Bremen, the eastern states) receive money. Some people say that is solidarity, some people think this is unjust. The german federal constitution (Grundgesetz) allows a restructuring. Article 29 says that the federal states could be restructured to ensure that the federal states are big and strong enough to fulfill their tasks . But it also says, that cultural and historical ties have to be respected. A restructuring has to be done by law of the federal government Germany and to be affirmed by the people living in the federal states with a plebiscite. There was an attempt to merger the states Berlin and Brandenburg in 1996 but the people said "No". The last merger of states was in 1952, when Baden and Wuertemberg came together and are now Baden-Wuertemberg. In 2003, the head of Rhineland-Palatinate, Kurt Beck, made the proposals to merge Rlp and Saarland. But the Saarländer refused to do so. As people in the Trier and Saarland are known to be bullheaded and somtimes behave like a bad tempered old mule and as they are, as a result of history, suspicious of any paternalism by governments, I don`t think the merger will take place in the next 50 years. Maybe it will hapen sooner when the government of the Saarland runs out of money. If you´re interested in more details, look at this page in german Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neugliederung_des_Bundesgebietes Regards, Ernst

W David Samuelsen schrieb: > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=dsammy01&id=I26 > > You can see I have the same Wagener line. > > By the way Saarland is not a town. It is a State within Federal Republic > of Germany since 1952. Prior to that, part of Rheinland-Pfalz from 1945. > Before that - just Rheinland all the way back to 1815. Before 1815, > splintered into many small duchies and principalities, even through the > Family History Library Catalog consider 1871 as the focal point to > determine the provinces (when Kingdom of Prussia became the German > Empire). > > David Samuelsen > > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:06:06 EST >> From: Yns1964@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? >> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com >> >> I had my grandmother's line done-Schonecken-Eifel, Germany, Neuerburg, >> Germany- I think these may be north of Trier. Neuerburg is in the >> Bitburg area. >> >> >> In the US, you can join existing DNA surname groups to find out if you >> share a lineage. Was hoping to find similar groups in my grandfather's >> area around Orscholz. >> >> Mike Fox >> >> Someone was looking for Wagners/Wageners. Here's my lineage back from my >> Great-grandmother. >> >> Theiß Wagener (2557), b. before 1695 >> +Maria (--?--) (2558), m. before 1695 >> ├── Lutwin Wagener (2559), d. 3 Apr 1731 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Kamer (2560), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Jan 1695 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. after 1731 at Saarland, Germany >> ├── Johnnes Wagener (2561) >> ├── Mathias Wagener (2541), d. 18 Jul 1734 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Maria (--?--) (2543), m. before 1696 >> │ └── Margaretha Wagener (2544), b. 29 May 1696 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ +Margaretha (--?--) (2542), b. 1674 at Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Feb >> 1699 at Saarland, Germany, d. before 3 Jun 1720 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2528), b. 3 Feb 1701 at Germany >> │ │ +Anna Neises (2529), b. 29 Mar 1706 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany, m. 5 Feb 1730 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagener (2531), b. 6 Dec 1730 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 4 Apr 1808 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Maria Kerber (2532), b. 23 Sep 1736 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 29 Nov 1785 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2534), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ │ ├── Heinrich Wagener (2533), b. 28 Aug 1732 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ │ ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2535), b. 15 Mar 1735 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ ├── Anna Wagener (2536), b. 1 May 1740 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 31 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Jacob Funk (2537), m. circa 1774 >> │ │ ├── Wilhelm Wagener (2515), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 2 Jan 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ +Elisabeth Berendts (2517), b. 8 Jun 1735, m. 17 Jan >> 1764, d. 4 Nov 1776 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Wilhelm Wagener (2519), b. 10 May 1765 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 7 Aug 1808 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina Adeller (2520), b. 8 Mar 1773 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 2 Feb 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Dec 1802 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina Beaumand (2521), b. 4 Apr 1778 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 16 Nov 1802 at Saarland, Germany, d. 29 Mar 1825 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina TüRCK (2516), b. 31 Oct 1743 at Rheinland >> Pfalz, Germany, m. 9 Feb 1768 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 30 Jun 1773 >> at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2522), b. 23 Sep 1769 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 23 Dec 1770 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2501), b. 1 Oct 1771 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 2 Oct 1829 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Catharina LaMotte (2502), b. 11 Dec 1777 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 18 Jan 1798 at Saarland, Germany, d. 22 Jul 1832 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2503), b. 23 Jan 1799 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 11 Apr 1832 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Kohn (2504), m. 1 Aug 1820 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Johannes Wagner (2505), b. 9 Jun 1800 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 23 Aug 1846 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Katharina Johannes (2506), b. circa 1800 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 12 Jan 1825 at Saarland, Germany, d. after 1853 at >> France >> │ │ │ ├── Peter Wagner (2507), b. 23 Sep 1802 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 12 Feb 1803 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2508), b. 15 Jun 1804 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 8 Aug 1870 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Nicolas Gaid (2509), m. 5 Feb 1841 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Jacob Wagner (2496), b. 14 Sep 1806 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Jan 1833 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Maria Lambert (2497), b. 29 Sep 1808 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 3 Jan 1829 at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Jul 1887 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ ├── (--?--) Wagner (2498), b. Jul 1829, >> d. 1 Jul 1829 >> │ │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagner (2499), b. 2 Jun 1830 >> at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ │ +Peter Schmitt (2500), m. 3 Jan 1849 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ │ └── Catharina Wagner (97), b. 13 Dec >> 1832 at Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Dec 1892 at WI >> │ │ │ │ +unknown spouse >> │ │ │ │ └── Maria Wagner (2495), b. 28 Aug >> 1862 at Saarland, Germany, d. 5 Dec 1863 >> │ │ │ │ +Jonas Fox (76), b. 18 Aug 1826 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 17 May 1864 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 3 May >> 1885 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ ├── Peter Fox (820), b. 15 Apr 1865 >> at Saarland, Germany, d. 21 Aug 1866 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ ├── John Fox (330), b. 20 Oct 1867 >> at Treves, Prussia, d. 18 Mar 1924 at WI >> │ │ │ │ │ +Mathilda Gruenke (441), b. 16 Mar >> 1876 at Posen, Poland, m. 21 Apr 1896 at WI, d. 26 May 1948 >> │ │ │ ├── Anton Wagner (2510), b. 17 Sep 1808 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 28 Feb 1894 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Magdalena Michel (2511), b. 23 Aug 1814 at >> Saarland, Germany, m. 28 Jan 1834 at Saarland, Germany, d. 27 Dec 1871 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Anna Wagner (2530), b. 23 Mar 1811 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 1 Apr 1819 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagner (2512), b. 31 Aug 1813 at >> Saarland, Germany, d. 18 Sep 1814 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Nicolaus Wagner (2513), b. 13 Dec 1814 at >> Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Margretha Wagener (3684), b. 28 Dec 1816 >> at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +Eva Tuya (2518), b. 1 Dec 1747 at Saarland, Germany, m. >> 19 May 1774 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 1815 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Catharina Wagener (2523), b. circa 1775 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 12 Dec 1831 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ │ +Johannes Cartes (2524), m. circa 1802 >> │ │ │ ├── Maria Wagener (2525), d. 24 Dec 1804 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ ├── Mathias Wagener (2526), b. 28 Sep 1786 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, d. 31 Dec 1804 at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ │ └── Nicolas Wagener (2527), b. 6 Jun 1789 at >> Rheinland Pfalz, Germany >> │ │ ├── Johannes Wagener (2538), b. 23 Feb 1743 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 29 Jan 1806 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ │ +unknown spouse >> │ │ └── Peter Wagener (2539), b. 28 Jun 1746 at Saarland, d. >> 8 Jun 1805 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ +Maria Leinen (2540), b. 19 Sep 1738 at Saarland, Germany, >> m. circa 1769, d. 11 Jan 1797 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Barbara Wagener (2545), b. 14 Feb 1704 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ │ +Mathias DHüR (2546), m. 1727 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Peter Wagener (2547), b. 31 Mar 1707 at Saarland, Germany >> │ ├── Johann Peter Wagener (2548), b. 26 Sep 1708 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ ├── Michael Wagener (2549), b. 24 Feb 1711 at Saarland, >> Germany, d. 16 Dec 1777 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ +Margaretha Neyses (2550), b. 17 Aug 1715 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany, m. 16 Feb 1738 at Saarland, Germany, d. 14 Apr 1776 at Saarland, >> Germany >> │ ├── Maria Wagener (2551), b. 30 Sep 1713 at Saarland, Germany >> │ │ +Johannes Mundlach (2552), m. 16 Sep 1732 at Saarland, Germany >> │ └── Nicolaus Wagener (2553), b. at Saarland, Germany, d. >> before 1756 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Zehren (2554), b. 9 Mar 1721 at Rheinland Pfalz, >> Germany, m. circa 1745/46, d. 24 Mar 1776 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Temmels? (2555), b. at Rheinland Pfalz, Germany, m. >> circa 1721/22, d. after 1734 at Saarland, Germany >> │ └── Anna Catharina Wagener (2556), b. 27 Jul 1722 at Saarland, >> Germany >> ├── Peter Wagener (2563), d. circa 1753 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Margaretha Barthel (2564), b. at Saarland, Germany, m. circa >> 1711/12 at Saarland, Germany, d. 7 Mar 1753 at Saarland, Germany >> ├── Angela Wagener (2565) >> ├── Magaretha Wagener (2566) >> ├── Maria Wagener (2571) >> │ +Theiß Massen (2572), m. before 1673 >> ├── Elisabeth Wagener (2568), d. circa 1742 at Saarland, Germany >> │ +Johannes Cammer (2569), m. before 1698 >> ├── Barbara Wagener (2570) >> └── Maria Wagener (2567), b. at Saarland, Germany >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > David, "just Rheinland all the way back to 1815" is not true. Reasonable parts of today Saarland did belong to Bavaria from 1815 on, others to minor territories of the Deutscher Bund. And you forgot that the so called Saargebiet was governed by the League of Nations from 1920 to1935, while its coal mines were controlled and exploited by France as reparation for the damages done in WWI. A construction, not so often seen in history. This was the first time that the territories of today Saarland were under a single political control. The Saargebiet as it was called at this time rejoined Germany in 1935 after a referendum. This referendum was mandatory as it was part of the Treaty of Versailles (Article 49) which was made in 1919 to end the 1st World War. That the Saarland belonged to the federal state Rheinland-Pfalz from 1945 on, is also not true. Rheinland-Pfalz was founded on 30. August 1946 and the Saarland was never part of this new federal state. The Saarland became the 10. federal state within the Federal Republic of Germany in 1957, 1st January after the population decided to do so in a plebiscite on 23. October 1955. Before, the Saarland was from 1947 on partly autonomous and economically affiliated to France. It was called autonomer Saarstaat. It had an own constitution, and an own flag. Article 60 of this constitution of 15. December 47 said: "The Saarland is an autonomous, democratic and social regulated land and economically affiliated to France" This close economical connection with France lasted until 6. July 1959, when the Saarland also joined federal Germany economically. Before, there where customs frontiers between Rheinland-Pfalz and the Saarland. There are lots of stories of smugglers in the region. You see, history in our region is not that easy to understand. Regards, Ernst PS: This story is not at an end. Actually, there are discussions to merge Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland into one federal state.

Hello Listies You have to consult the Familienbuch Wasserbillig with the towns of Mertert Oberbillig and Wasserbillig . All the parish records from 1708-1899. Autor Heintich Wagner and ALGH 1998 Rob Deltgen http://www.deltgen.com

"Is buried" is probably a misconception on part of the Americans. In many areas of Germany, the burial space is reused on average of 25-35 years. Old remains are disinterred and discharged and new burials take place. Britten is one of such places. My cousin went there and couldn't figure out why there were no OLD gravemarkers, all markers there were pretty recently. David Samuelsen Jeanne Fizell wrote: > Could that be Triersdorf and not Tunsdorf? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beeves" <beeves@webtv.net> > To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Names of Cities > > >> Hi I am wondering about the spelling of this City. I have been told >> one of my Family was married in Tunsdorf Germany and is buried in >> Orscholz Germany. Is this the correct spelling--ORSCHOLZ? I can't find >> any info about either location. thank you beeves >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MERRY CHRISTMAS & A BLESSED NEW YEAR >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

not Triersdorf. Tunsdorf is located very close to Orscholz. My folks came from there to Britten. Brausch and Seiler. David Samuelsen Jeanne Fizell wrote: > Could that be Triersdorf and not Tunsdorf?

what? Whose idea is this? Saarland is unique unto itself. David Samuelsen Ernst Mettlach wrote: > > PS: This story is not at an end. Actually, there are discussions to > merge Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland into one federal state.

Halo Jim, Hellingen (german) Hellange (french) is a smal town near BETTEMBOURG The distance from ETTELBRUCK to HELLANGE is aprox. 50km 30miles Geographical datas can be send. You can see the Lux Phone book in the net under www.editus.lu . Inside you find: all civilian and administrativ phonnumbers and maps from all major city. For mor info dar@pt.lu best wiches for the comming hollidays from the Grand-Duchy of Luxemburg Baudouin STRASSER ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tombtome@aol.com> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Hellange to Ettelbruck > Ettelbruck parish records list the marriage of my ancestor Henricus > WAGENER > to Anna Margaretha WEYLAND VULGO SCHANNEN on 3 Feb 1755. Henricus is > listed as > the son of Bartholomaeus WAGENER and Anna KLEIN of "Hellingen." > > Is "Hellingen" the same as Hellange, Luxembourg? I don't see Hellange > listed > among the towns in Thomas Pick's website. Does anyone know where to find > out > more about Bartholomaeus WAGENER of Hellingen? > > Jim Ross > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information NOD32 1.1189 (20050808) __________ > > Ce message a ete verifie par NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > >

My grandfather was born in Tunsdorf, Germany.

Could that be Triersdorf and not Tunsdorf? ----- Original Message ----- From: "beeves" <beeves@webtv.net> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Names of Cities > Hi I am wondering about the spelling of this City. I have been told > one of my Family was married in Tunsdorf Germany and is buried in > Orscholz Germany. Is this the correct spelling--ORSCHOLZ? I can't find > any info about either location. thank you beeves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MERRY CHRISTMAS & A BLESSED NEW YEAR > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Wagener's were from Berdorf, Luxembourg as far as I can trace. Thanks for your input. Laura -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Grenier Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:48 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? I have Wageners (Wagner)from Mysembourg and Rollingstone. Bob Grenier -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laura Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:54 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? What Wagener's do you have. I don't know who this message goes too. :-) Thanks, Laura Wagener, Linden, Marx, Lehnen -----Original Message----- From: trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:trier-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yns1964@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:47 PM To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] DNA Surname Groups? My names from Neuerburg- Bitburg are Rouhl, Stoker (Stocker), Roderig, Tinnet, Hoeffler, Tholl, Laubach, Wagener. Some of the family is still there. Some immigrated to the Oshkosh, Wi area and my direct line came to Cleveland Ohio. my, great-great grandmother died in Schoecken/Eifel. I found these villages are small enough that we are probably related. Kathy Ochs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: 12/17/2006 3:17 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message