Mike, Another thing you might do is check the census records for the son even after the father passed away. Sometimes the census taker might have listed more than just the country the father or mother were from. I've found some that way. It's a long shot. But, worth checking into. Patty At 08:11 PM 1/8/2007, you wrote: >Thanks for the reply. I have only one official document and that is the >1870 census which shows him in Chicago. Unfortunately that document does >not talk about naturalization. > >Do you know whether there is a site or perhaps several of them that list >church baptismal records for the city of Trier around 1825 or so? I >believe these would be Catholic churches. I have looked through early >immigration records for when he came to this country. The only other piece >of information I have is that Rochester New York is where his son lists as >his(the son's) birth place. Was Rochester an immigration port, as opposed >to New York City? Would a ship come up the St Lawrence riverway and landed >at Rochester?

My ancestor came from Trier to the Austrian Hungarian area in July 1770 with five persons from Trier. What process do I start to narrow the area down? Thanks for any input. Lynette Nimtz ctn55044@centurytel.net

Lister beeves, Borg is the actual "city" of your ancestor. Borg is listed as "near Perl," as a way of identifying it from other places named Borg. Borg and Perl were in the Kreis/county Saarburg, in the Reigerungsbezirk/district Trier, Kingdom of Prussia. After 1871, "Germany" would have been added at the end of the list, as the kingdom was incorporated in the larger empire of Germany. I believe the Family History Library has church records for Borg beginning around 1770, so you would probably want to look for your family there first. Karen B. Whitmer

I think I may have the answer to my problem . I have been sending messages to trier-roots-l I believe the l should be omitted . Hope this works Mike Schummer

No Living in Florida,originally from Chicago Il

Another story on 'faith in the obituaries.' For 20 years I searched for Niederwiszdiesn Vedvar. It was in the obits for my ggrandfather and his sons. Right now I am pretty sure it is Niederwitz - near Wetzlar. Good Luck. Mary - Also, my gr grandfather's obituary contained his birth place. Usually you can find good obituary's from small town newspapers. each of these may have a low probability of yielding the information you

I wouldn't put too much faith in the obituary. For years I was looking for my great-grandfather's birthplace of Vealand in Baden as stated in his obituary, only to find it was Wyhlen, pronounced similarly except for the "d" at the end. I wish you luck in finding yours. Florence ----- Original Message ----- From: "HARRY MARJORIE DELLWO" <margedellwo@msn.com> To: <trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Finding ancestral hometowns [was Perl and Borg] Also, my gr grandfather's obituary contained his birth place. Usually you can find good obituary's from small town newspapers. ----- Original Message ----- From: kql<mailto:lenerz@worldnet.att.net> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Finding ancestral hometowns [was Perl and Borg] Michael Young wrote: > I need some help please. The only information I have about my great > great gandather is that he was born in Trier on November 25, 1825. At > some point he immigrates to the US , settles eventually in Chicago, > Illinois, and dies April 7, 1900. Any suggestions as to how to proceed, or > where to begin? Michael, There are a lot of places one can look for an ancestor's home town. You've already checked one: his obituary. Others include: Declaration of Intent and other naturalization papers, passenger manifests, church records, military records, local histories and biographies, published genealogies, obituaries and other records of siblings, and more. While each of these may have a low probability of yielding the information you seek, that probability is still there. Examples: Of the thousands of church records I've searched, only a small fraction contained the name of the home town of the person. But if it had been my ancestor's record with the information, I would have hit the jackpot. Similarly, both passenger lists and naturalization records varied from time to time and locality to locality in the information they contained. In one 4-5 year time span in one court I searched, the forms changed several times. Fortunately, my ancestor's form was one of the ones that contained complete information on date of arrival. You don't mention any time frame your ancestor immigrated. That would be helpful in determining what records to search in this country. If he arrived in the 1850s, the passenger manifest will list only country of origin. If he arrived in the Ellis Island era (post-1892), it should list home town. You can search for the date of his immigration in a number of places: Castle Garden website http://www.castlegarden.org/search.php<http://www.castlegarden.org/searchphp> Castle Garden operated from 1855 to 1890, although the index on this website contains data from both before and after that time period, and lists arrivals from ports other than New York. In spite of that, the index is still incomplete. It also has no Soundex searching, so you need to search with different spelling variations. Wildcard searches are allowed. Ellis Island website http://ellisisland.org/<http://ellisisland.org/> As with Castle Garden, Soundex searching isn't available, so search for spelling variations. Given that your gggrandfather had a rather common name, it may be difficult to determine if any hits you get from the above searches are indeed him. You'll have to check the indexes or the actual passenger list (available at Ellis Island and Ancestry websites) to determine if any of his family members are also on the ship. Ancestry.com http://ancestry.com/<http://ancestry.com/> This paid website contains still more indexes to passenger lists from a variety of ports, as well as images of the actual lists. You can access this site free at many public libraries and at many local Family History Centers. You should also search the census to determine which ones he appears in. That will narrow down his arrival time. The complete census is available at Ancestry.com and HeritageQuest. Many libraries subscribe to HeritageQuest, which allows patrons to search from their home computers (unlike library subscriptions to Ancestry.com). A list of libraries that offer in-home remote access to HeritageQuest is here: http://www.eogen.com/HeritageQuestOnline<http://www.eogen.com/HeritageQuestOnline> The 1880 census is indexed and free at FamilySearch.org: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp> Although the determination of an ancestor's origins is usually through using American sources, you can also check out the indexes to Trier area Familienbücher online: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/<http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/> To search all indexes at once, use Google Advanced Search and put the above URL in the "Domain" field. You might also find him in the Ortsfamilienbuch Südlicher Hochwald: http://www.online-ofb.de/hochwald/<http://www.online-ofb.de/hochwald/> And you can also check these user-contributed online databases: http://meta.genealogy.net/index.jsp<http://meta.genealogy.net/index.jsp> http://www.geneanet.org/<http://www.geneanet.org/> Here are some online guides to finding ancestors' origins: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/tracing_immigrant_originsasp<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp> http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=4<http://wwwancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=4> http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=7<http://wwwancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=7> If you're just starting out in genealogy, there are some very good online guides: http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/index.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/index.html> http://www.arkansasresearch.com/guide.html<http://www.arkansasresearch.com/guide.html> http://www.kansasheritage.org/research/dbd/index.html<http://www.kansasheritage.org/research/dbd/index.html> http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.fhsearch<http://ftprootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.fhsearch> Lastly, let's not forget the public library. The best book I know of for beginning genealogists is: Morgan, George G., _How to do everything with your genealogy._ New York: McGraw-Hill/Osborne, 2004. Good luck! Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listmembers, Re the German names of towns and people in US records, even when they were recorded by German-speaking clergymen, they could be way off. In a marriage record for my gg-gm, it listed her mother's name as Lafli, and her birthplace as Conterfingen. After years of searching, I found out the name was actually Leveling, and the town was Gundelfingen (I found her baptismal record there). Close in pronunciation perhaps, but not close enough to find easily. You have to use a lot of imagination sometimes. Hope the New Year 2007 brings everyone success in their searches. Janet "Mary N. Hesser" <mhesser@uniontel.net> wrote: Another story on 'faith in the obituaries.' For 20 years I searched for Niederwiszdiesn Vedvar. It was in the obits for my ggrandfather and his sons. Right now I am pretty sure it is Niederwitz - near Wetzlar. Good Luck. Mary - Also, my gr grandfather's obituary contained his birth place. Usually you can find good obituary's from small town newspapers. each of these may have a low probability of yielding the information you __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Kathy: Thanks for your reply. William Young's son is George Edward Young and his birthdate is listed as July 4, 1855. He survived until April 8, 1949 in Chicago. In that 1870 Census I mentioned George is shown as the son. Both William and George appear to be single births, very unusual for the time. I say this because I have another branch of the family, also from Germany about the same period of time, these six brothers all immigrate to Wisconsin, and in the first generation from them some 61 children were born, and I have traced some 2500 descendents from them. Wonderful German name----Stellpflug. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: kql <lenerz@worldnet.att.net> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 11:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Finding ancestral hometowns [was Perl and Borg] Michael Young wrote: > I have only one official document and that is the 1870 census which > shows him in Chicago. Unfortunately that document does not talk about > naturalization. If your gggrandfather had children in 1870, their birth states would be listed on the census. From that and their ages, you may be able to determine the earliest date he was in this country. > Do you know whether there is a site or perhaps several of them that > list church baptismal records for the city of Trier around 1825 or > so? No. Only a tiny fraction of all the records (as opposed to indexes) available for doing genealogical research are available online, and those are mostly American records via Ancestry.com. I did give you a site indexing Familienbücher for the Trier area (below). Familienbücher were largely compiled from church records, so they're the next best thing. The complete Familienbücher aren't online, just the indexes: >> Although the determination of an ancestor's origins is usually >> through using American sources, you can also check out the indexes >> to Trier area Familienbücher online: >> http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ To search all >> indexes at once, use Google Advanced Search and put the above URL >> in the "Domain" field. > The only other piece of information I have is that Rochester New York > is where his son lists as his(the son's) birth place. Was Rochester an > immigration port, as opposed to New York City? Would a ship come up > the St Lawrence riverway and landed at Rochester? No, they would have landed in NYC then taken one of two routes: 1. a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then the Erie Canal to Rochester 2. train from NYC to Rochester Coincidently, my ancestors lived in Rochester for a few years before migrating to Wisconsin. There were several German Catholic churches there. One of the earlier ones was SS. Peter and Paul. Its church books have been microfilmed and are available through the Family History Library. Two of the three SS. P&P films are on permanent loan at my FHC, where I will be volunteering tomorrow. If you can give me the name of the person born there and date, I can look to see if his baptism is on the film. (Please respond offlist.) The other German Catholic churches in Rochester and founding dates can be found here, along with the film numbers for their records: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonroe/church1.htm In my research in Rochester, I found few Trierisch families; most Germans there seemed to be from Baden or Bavaria. Also check out the Monroe County USGenWeb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonroe/ If you've never been to a Family History Center or examined microfilmed records from the Family History Library, you should really look into it. They have millions of reels of microfilmed records from around the world and lend them to local Family History Centers where you can rent and view them. Get more information by checking your local phone book for a Mormon church near you. (They won't proselytize you; most of their volunteers, like me, aren't Mormon.) As much of this discussion has to do with how to do genealogical research, rather than with genealogy in the Trier area, you may be interested in another RootsWeb list on genealogy methods: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GENMTD.html Good luck! Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

_http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/_ (http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/) Go to ABC Listen, and it lists the churches in Trier. They have some information on them, and you might just run across something.

No I am not from Wisconsin. My current home is located in Crest Hill Illinois which is a suburb of Joliet Illinois. ----- Original Message ---- From: darrow Wehrman <darrowwehrman@cox.net> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 7:17:41 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Messages to List Mike are you from Pierce County, WI? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schummer" <mschummer@cfl.rr.com> To: <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Messages to List > Can someone tell me why messages I send to the list don't appear in my in > box.? I know listers are receiving them because I receive replies . Also I > remember in past years the message appeared shortly after being sent > Thanks Mike > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael Young wrote: > I have only one official document and that is the 1870 census which > shows him in Chicago. Unfortunately that document does not talk about > naturalization. If your gggrandfather had children in 1870, their birth states would be listed on the census. From that and their ages, you may be able to determine the earliest date he was in this country. > Do you know whether there is a site or perhaps several of them that > list church baptismal records for the city of Trier around 1825 or > so? No. Only a tiny fraction of all the records (as opposed to indexes) available for doing genealogical research are available online, and those are mostly American records via Ancestry.com. I did give you a site indexing Familienbücher for the Trier area (below). Familienbücher were largely compiled from church records, so they're the next best thing. The complete Familienbücher aren't online, just the indexes: >> Although the determination of an ancestor's origins is usually >> through using American sources, you can also check out the indexes >> to Trier area Familienbücher online: >> http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ To search all >> indexes at once, use Google Advanced Search and put the above URL >> in the "Domain" field. > The only other piece of information I have is that Rochester New York > is where his son lists as his(the son's) birth place. Was Rochester an > immigration port, as opposed to New York City? Would a ship come up > the St Lawrence riverway and landed at Rochester? No, they would have landed in NYC then taken one of two routes: 1. a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then the Erie Canal to Rochester 2. train from NYC to Rochester Coincidently, my ancestors lived in Rochester for a few years before migrating to Wisconsin. There were several German Catholic churches there. One of the earlier ones was SS. Peter and Paul. Its church books have been microfilmed and are available through the Family History Library. Two of the three SS. P&P films are on permanent loan at my FHC, where I will be volunteering tomorrow. If you can give me the name of the person born there and date, I can look to see if his baptism is on the film. (Please respond offlist.) The other German Catholic churches in Rochester and founding dates can be found here, along with the film numbers for their records: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonroe/church1.htm In my research in Rochester, I found few Trierisch families; most Germans there seemed to be from Baden or Bavaria. Also check out the Monroe County USGenWeb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonroe/ If you've never been to a Family History Center or examined microfilmed records from the Family History Library, you should really look into it. They have millions of reels of microfilmed records from around the world and lend them to local Family History Centers where you can rent and view them. Get more information by checking your local phone book for a Mormon church near you. (They won't proselytize you; most of their volunteers, like me, aren't Mormon.) As much of this discussion has to do with how to do genealogical research, rather than with genealogy in the Trier area, you may be interested in another RootsWeb list on genealogy methods: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GENMTD.html Good luck! Kathy

Also, my gr grandfather's obituary contained his birth place. Usually you can find good obituary's from small town newspapers. ----- Original Message ----- From: kql<mailto:lenerz@worldnet.att.net> To: trier-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:trier-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS] Finding ancestral hometowns [was Perl and Borg] Michael Young wrote: > I need some help please. The only information I have about my great > great gandather is that he was born in Trier on November 25, 1825. At > some point he immigrates to the US , settles eventually in Chicago, > Illinois, and dies April 7, 1900. Any suggestions as to how to proceed, or > where to begin? Michael, There are a lot of places one can look for an ancestor's home town. You've already checked one: his obituary. Others include: Declaration of Intent and other naturalization papers, passenger manifests, church records, military records, local histories and biographies, published genealogies, obituaries and other records of siblings, and more. While each of these may have a low probability of yielding the information you seek, that probability is still there. Examples: Of the thousands of church records I've searched, only a small fraction contained the name of the home town of the person. But if it had been my ancestor's record with the information, I would have hit the jackpot. Similarly, both passenger lists and naturalization records varied from time to time and locality to locality in the information they contained. In one 4-5 year time span in one court I searched, the forms changed several times. Fortunately, my ancestor's form was one of the ones that contained complete information on date of arrival. You don't mention any time frame your ancestor immigrated. That would be helpful in determining what records to search in this country. If he arrived in the 1850s, the passenger manifest will list only country of origin. If he arrived in the Ellis Island era (post-1892), it should list home town. You can search for the date of his immigration in a number of places: Castle Garden website http://www.castlegarden.org/search.php<http://www.castlegarden.org/searchphp> Castle Garden operated from 1855 to 1890, although the index on this website contains data from both before and after that time period, and lists arrivals from ports other than New York. In spite of that, the index is still incomplete. It also has no Soundex searching, so you need to search with different spelling variations. Wildcard searches are allowed. Ellis Island website http://ellisisland.org/<http://ellisisland.org/> As with Castle Garden, Soundex searching isn't available, so search for spelling variations. Given that your gggrandfather had a rather common name, it may be difficult to determine if any hits you get from the above searches are indeed him. You'll have to check the indexes or the actual passenger list (available at Ellis Island and Ancestry websites) to determine if any of his family members are also on the ship. Ancestry.com http://ancestry.com/<http://ancestry.com/> This paid website contains still more indexes to passenger lists from a variety of ports, as well as images of the actual lists. You can access this site free at many public libraries and at many local Family History Centers. You should also search the census to determine which ones he appears in. That will narrow down his arrival time. The complete census is available at Ancestry.com and HeritageQuest. Many libraries subscribe to HeritageQuest, which allows patrons to search from their home computers (unlike library subscriptions to Ancestry.com). A list of libraries that offer in-home remote access to HeritageQuest is here: http://www.eogen.com/HeritageQuestOnline<http://www.eogen.com/HeritageQuestOnline> The 1880 census is indexed and free at FamilySearch.org: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp> Although the determination of an ancestor's origins is usually through using American sources, you can also check out the indexes to Trier area Familienbücher online: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/<http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/> To search all indexes at once, use Google Advanced Search and put the above URL in the "Domain" field. You might also find him in the Ortsfamilienbuch Südlicher Hochwald: http://www.online-ofb.de/hochwald/<http://www.online-ofb.de/hochwald/> And you can also check these user-contributed online databases: http://meta.genealogy.net/index.jsp<http://meta.genealogy.net/index.jsp> http://www.geneanet.org/<http://www.geneanet.org/> Here are some online guides to finding ancestors' origins: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/tracing_immigrant_originsasp<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp> http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=4<http://wwwancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=4> http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=7<http://wwwancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=7> If you're just starting out in genealogy, there are some very good online guides: http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/index.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/index.html> http://www.arkansasresearch.com/guide.html<http://www.arkansasresearch.com/guide.html> http://www.kansasheritage.org/research/dbd/index.html<http://www.kansasheritage.org/research/dbd/index.html> http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.fhsearch<http://ftprootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.fhsearch> Lastly, let's not forget the public library. The best book I know of for beginning genealogists is: Morgan, George G., _How to do everything with your genealogy._ New York: McGraw-Hill/Osborne, 2004. Good luck! Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike you should get them at the same time they appear in ours ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Schummer<mailto:mschummer@cfl.rr.com> To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Messages to List Can someone tell me why messages I send to the list don't appear in my in box.? I know listers are receiving them because I receive replies . Also I remember in past years the message appeared shortly after being sent Thanks Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listies, the town of Borg is located near Perl, as this is correct Kathy wrote. But the political situation is not correct. Perl is the head of the community Borg belongs to. This is something like Perl would be an american township and Borg is the part of it. The offices, school, Kindergarden will be located in Perl and Borg is mostly a living place. Perl and Borg belongs to the county of Merzig-Wadern (car plate sign MZG) and this county belongs to the state of Saarland. Saarburg belongs to the county of Trier-Saarburg in the state of Rheinland-Pfalz (english Rhineland-Palatinate). Werner LICHTER kql <lenerz@worldnet.att.net> schrieb: beeves wrote: > Hi list members- I am interested in getting some history info about the > area of TRIER/BORG/PERL/SAARBURG. My Biewer family's origin > has been listed as Borg near Perl, Saarburg,Trier Prussia. My problem > is Which of this list would be the CITY - I realize that many times our > families listed a City and a larger City as its birth locations. Borg is a village near the larger town of Perl. According to Wikipedia the populaton of Borg is 390 and that of Perl 6666. It's fairly common in Germany for villages to be identified as near other towns. This is because there are often several villages with the same name and also because some villages are so small that to locate them you need to know the next larger community. Hence, Borg near Perl. As to Saarburg, it is a city. But in the past it was also a Kreis, a political jurisdiction similar to an American county. The boundaries of the Kreis have changed and it's now Kreis Trier-Saarburg, in the state of Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate). Trier is also a city, but the area around Trier was at one time a German state, in English called the Electorate of Trier, often shortened to just Trier. After the end of the Napoleonic wars (1815), the former Electorate of Trier became part of Prussia, eventually in the Rhine Province of Prussia. I'd have to hunt up some old maps to determine if Borg and Perl were also part of the Rhine Province, but today they are both in the German state of Saarland, which didn't exist until the 1950s. As you can see, boundaries changed frequently in this part of Germany. "Borg near Perl, Saarburg, Trier, Prussia" would seem to conflate information from several different historical periods, but seems to refer to the village of Borg, near the village of Perl, in the Kreis of Saarburg, in the one-time Electorate of Trier, in Prussia. Hope that helps, Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com

Well, I managed to find a couple of the really good maps of the Trier area, but not all: Administrative Districts in 1813 & 1818 (superimposed on present-day boundaries of Rheinland-Pfalz and Saarland) http://www.krebs-onl.de/pfalz/1813.htm http://www.krebs-onl.de/pfalz/1818.htm I also found some I overlooked in my first post: Maps on the political development of Germany since 1812 http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/maps01.htm#b Ravenstein's Atlas of the German Empire http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/ Map collection of Germany http://www.rootsweb.com/~deubadnw/history/maps/maps.htm European historical maps http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/map/index.htm Saarland in Pictures and Maps http://www.saarlandbilder.de/ (maps and photos in first column, places and rivers in second column, historical info in third column; <Historische Karten vom Saarland> is a link to historical maps) Have fun! Kathy

Can someone tell me why messages I send to the list don't appear in my in box.? I know listers are receiving them because I receive replies . Also I remember in past years the message appeared shortly after being sent Thanks Mike

Michael Young wrote: > I need some help please. The only information I have about my great > great gandather is that he was born in Trier on November 25, 1825. At > some point he immigrates to the US , settles eventually in Chicago, > Illinois, and dies April 7, 1900. Any suggestions as to how to proceed, or > where to begin? Michael, There are a lot of places one can look for an ancestor's home town. You've already checked one: his obituary. Others include: Declaration of Intent and other naturalization papers, passenger manifests, church records, military records, local histories and biographies, published genealogies, obituaries and other records of siblings, and more. While each of these may have a low probability of yielding the information you seek, that probability is still there. Examples: Of the thousands of church records I've searched, only a small fraction contained the name of the home town of the person. But if it had been my ancestor's record with the information, I would have hit the jackpot. Similarly, both passenger lists and naturalization records varied from time to time and locality to locality in the information they contained. In one 4-5 year time span in one court I searched, the forms changed several times. Fortunately, my ancestor's form was one of the ones that contained complete information on date of arrival. You don't mention any time frame your ancestor immigrated. That would be helpful in determining what records to search in this country. If he arrived in the 1850s, the passenger manifest will list only country of origin. If he arrived in the Ellis Island era (post-1892), it should list home town. You can search for the date of his immigration in a number of places: Castle Garden website http://www.castlegarden.org/search.php Castle Garden operated from 1855 to 1890, although the index on this website contains data from both before and after that time period, and lists arrivals from ports other than New York. In spite of that, the index is still incomplete. It also has no Soundex searching, so you need to search with different spelling variations. Wildcard searches are allowed. Ellis Island website http://ellisisland.org/ As with Castle Garden, Soundex searching isn't available, so search for spelling variations. Given that your gggrandfather had a rather common name, it may be difficult to determine if any hits you get from the above searches are indeed him. You'll have to check the indexes or the actual passenger list (available at Ellis Island and Ancestry websites) to determine if any of his family members are also on the ship. Ancestry.com http://ancestry.com/ This paid website contains still more indexes to passenger lists from a variety of ports, as well as images of the actual lists. You can access this site free at many public libraries and at many local Family History Centers. You should also search the census to determine which ones he appears in. That will narrow down his arrival time. The complete census is available at Ancestry.com and HeritageQuest. Many libraries subscribe to HeritageQuest, which allows patrons to search from their home computers (unlike library subscriptions to Ancestry.com). A list of libraries that offer in-home remote access to HeritageQuest is here: http://www.eogen.com/HeritageQuestOnline The 1880 census is indexed and free at FamilySearch.org: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Although the determination of an ancestor's origins is usually through using American sources, you can also check out the indexes to Trier area Familienbücher online: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ To search all indexes at once, use Google Advanced Search and put the above URL in the "Domain" field. You might also find him in the Ortsfamilienbuch Südlicher Hochwald: http://www.online-ofb.de/hochwald/ And you can also check these user-contributed online databases: http://meta.genealogy.net/index.jsp http://www.geneanet.org/ Here are some online guides to finding ancestors' origins: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=4 http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=7 If you're just starting out in genealogy, there are some very good online guides: http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/index.html http://www.arkansasresearch.com/guide.html http://www.kansasheritage.org/research/dbd/index.html http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.fhsearch Lastly, let's not forget the public library. The best book I know of for beginning genealogists is: Morgan, George G., _How to do everything with your genealogy._ New York: McGraw-Hill/Osborne, 2004. Good luck! Kathy

Mike are you from Pierce County, WI? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schummer" <mschummer@cfl.rr.com> To: <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS] Messages to List > Can someone tell me why messages I send to the list don't appear in my in > box.? I know listers are receiving them because I receive replies . Also I > remember in past years the message appeared shortly after being sent > Thanks Mike > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRIER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What wonderful maps- thanks! Kathy Ochs