Mark, Please fill up that hole in my (e-mail)education; what does FWIW represents?? much obliged. Jack Klaber -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lesmeister <mmeister@wt.net> To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: éåí øàùåï 24 éðåàø 1999 01:20 Subject: RE: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] What's in a Name? >FWIW, I too have often run across the name Jois, or Joes, used I believe as >an abreviation for Johannes in 18 and 19th century baptismal records. BTW, >when they do spell it out, the Latin version of the name was sometimes >written joannis or even ioannis. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MegNel1659@aol.com [mailto:MegNel1659@aol.com] >Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:55 PM >To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] What's in a Name? > > >I have always thought that the American version of Johann was John. Now I >have run across the name Jois, or Joes, of a person who may have become John >in the US. Are these names interchangeable? Also Johannes. > >Meg Nelson >California USA > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Greatest Christmas Gift Ever! >Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the >Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Greatest Christmas Gift Ever! >Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the >Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

FWIW, I too have often run across the name Jois, or Joes, used I believe as an abreviation for Johannes in 18 and 19th century baptismal records. BTW, when they do spell it out, the Latin version of the name was sometimes written joannis or even ioannis. -----Original Message----- From: MegNel1659@aol.com [mailto:MegNel1659@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:55 PM To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] What's in a Name? I have always thought that the American version of Johann was John. Now I have run across the name Jois, or Joes, of a person who may have become John in the US. Are these names interchangeable? Also Johannes. Meg Nelson California USA ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Greatest Christmas Gift Ever! Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

My wife's great great great grandfather was Adam WILHELM from QUEIDERSBACH, GERMANY. He was born in 1807 in the QUEIDERSBACH, BANN, GERMANY area. I am looking to link up with others who have ancestors from this area. I would also like to hear from someone who knows if QUEIDERSBACH is the right spelling. Thank you for any help. Steve Frank, SFrank@friendlynet.com

Joes is a "shorthand" for Joseph. Bill H.

In a message dated 01-23-1999 3:42:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jwhelbron@compuserve.com writes: << Joes is a "shorthand" for Joseph. >> Hi, In Ernest Thode's book, "German-English Genealogical Dictionary, Joes is defined as "abbr. for (Latin) Joannnem:Johannes. This has proved to be true in the old records that I have read. Joe Dessel jdess@aol.com

I have always thought that the American version of Johann was John. Now I have run across the name Jois, or Joes, of a person who may have become John in the US. Are these names interchangeable? Also Johannes. Meg Nelson California USA

Hi. Does Trier take in the Koblenz area? I am looking for info on the families of WILLEMS, ZENDER AND ROSEN who came from Koblenz to Missouri in circa 1850. They became farmers in the Ferguson township of Missouri, near St. Louis. Any one else looking for these names? The Zender family was connected to Castle Schmidtburg in the Koblenz area. Thanks, Alex Koch

My great great grandfather was Joannes WEIS born June 1, 1810 in Dirmstein, Pfalz, Bavaria, Germany. He married Barbara BIHN. Joannes WEIS' parents were Nicolai WEIS and Anna Maria TRAU. Barbara BIHN's parents were Anthony BIHN and Margaret ROTHAERMAL. I am interested in connecting with others who are researching the WEIS, BIHN, TRAU, and ROTHAERMAL surnames. Thank you. Steve Frank, SFrank@friendlynet.com

Hi, Need help finding where my grandparents came from to board a ship HECLA in ANTWERP, BELGIUM. HEINRICH GRUNEWALD was born in TILL-MOYLAND, married an ANNA (maiden name unknown)and worked somewhere in Germany as a miner and then left wherever he was to go to Antwerp Belgium and he his wife Anna and my mother (3years old) ANNA MATILDA GRUNEWALD and my aunt MARGARET (9 month old)boarded the ship HECLA on 28 September 1881 and they arrived in PHILADELPHIA on 15 October 1881... The strange thing was that there were 163 miners on board of 300 adults which included wives...Almost the whole passenger list were miners... Makes me wonder where did they all come from? Why did they all leave together at the same time in the same ship? Were they offered a better job in America? If yes; who was it that was trying to get them over here? Were they all leaving because their mines were closing? I can't get any information about the mines and I think that they must have come from some coal mines in the Ruhr Valley...Maybe from around Aachen? I sure would appreciate any help that anyone can shed on this mystery. Jim Bollinger jimb@evcom.net

Hello, Part of my BROXTERMANN family from Roschbach were apparently Lutheran. Any suggestions on Church Archive sources there? Would LDS have Lutheran Evangelical Church records for this area? I have found Catholic Kirchbuch records for Roschbach with LDS and have ordered these microfilms. Thanks for any help. Bob

Travel from the interior to the North coast of Europe usually took place along the rivers and tributaries that fed the North Sea. Overland travel was still perilous, and trains had not penetrated the interior at that time. Depending on weather the journey might require six-weeks or six-days. Hope it helps. JJ Korman

Tom, Treves is the French spelling for Trier. Jim THKnops@aol.com wrote: > Does any one know if there is a town by the name of Treeves or Treves or > Trebes near Trier, Germany? Are these all misspellings of Trier? > > In the records I have for my great uncle, Peter Martini, different documents > refer to these various names. > > Thanks for any insight. > > Tom Knops > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Greatest Christmas Gift Ever! > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Meg & Mary, If you find out the route please let me know... My family left Antwerp in November 1881 from around the Trier Kleve area Jim Bollinger At 09:57 AM 01/20/1999 -0800, Rick S. Thrasher wrote: >Meg: > >My family left Europe via Antwerp in December of >1880 and arrived in the Port of New York in April >of 1881. They were aboard the Belgenland but I am >unsure as to the route. > >Mary Wurtz Thrasher > >============================================= >> >> My great-grandfather and his family left Europe for the US in 1866. They left >> from the port of Antwerp. They were living in Reinsfeld when they left. >> >> Can anyone tell me what usual route and method of travel was used between >> Reinsfeld(Trier) and Antwerp at that time? And how long it took? >> >> Meg Nelson >> MegNel1659@aol.com >> Researching NOLL, SOSSONG, MEISBERGER >> >> > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Greatest Christmas Gift Ever! >Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the >Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Treves is the old Latin name for Trier. Bill H.

Hello again. My family (ZIEGELE) left Larochette (Fels) Luxembourg for Antwerp where they boarded the Postal Steamship Switzerland for New York. Can anyone tell me the travel route from Larochette to Antwerp and what mode of travel they would have taken in 1885. Thank You. Frank Ziegele

I have traced my NEIS/NEISS/NICE/NEUS/NEUHS family to Lautersheim and Kindenheim, Germany. Here is some of the data: Johann Philipp NEISS m. Maria Christina VOLMAENIN (VOLANDER?) b. 9-11-1728 Their son: Johann George NEISS m. Jacobina Katharina SEYB (SEYP) b. 8-23-1766 Their son: Johann Philipp NEISS m. Wilhelmina BECKER b. 10-28-1806 Their children - all born in Germany Johann Philipp NEISS Heinrich NEISS Carl NEISS Wilhelm NEISS Wilhelmine NEISS Adam NEISS Jacob NEISS (Now NICE) (My great-grandfather) b. 1845 The last two might be listed with their mother Wilhelmina (Amelia?) in the 1860 Census for Minersville Boro, Schuylkill County. I would like to know emmigration/immigration, ship traveled on, info on Jacobs siblings in U.S. Marilyn Henninger harlech@epix.net

I have traced my NEIS/NEISS/NICE/NEUS/NEUHS family to Lautersheim and Kindenheim, Germany. Here is some of the data: Johann Philipp NEISS m. Maria Christina VOLMAENIN (VOLANDER?) b. 9-11-1728 Their son: Johann George NEISS m. Jacobina Katharina SEYB (SEYP) b. 8-23-1766 Their son: Johann Philipp NEISS m. Wilhelmina BECKER b. 10-28-1806 Their children - all born in Germany Johann Philipp NEISS Heinrich NEISS Carl NEISS Wilhelm NEISS Wilhelmine NEISS Adam NEISS Jacob NEISS (Now NICE) (My great-grandfather) b. 1845 The last two might be listed with their mother Wilhelmina (Amela?) in the 1860 Census for Minersville Boro, Schuylkill County. I would like to know emmigration/immigration, ship traveled on, info on Jacobs siblings in U.S. Marilyn Henninger harlech@epix.net

> To the list: I just wanted to let the list know what wonderful people we have willing to do research for those of us who do not have access. Richard Schaffner has given me the information I have been waiting for since I began this obsessive "hobby" called genealogy. I cannot thank him enough and I just wanted the rest of you to know. Thank you again, Richard. Mary Wurtz Thrasher ====================================== > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] WURTZ/WUERTZ > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:10:42 +0100 > From: Richard_Schaffner@t-online.de (Richard Schaffner) > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Familienforschung Wirtz - Wuertz > > * = born > + = died > > Adam Wirtz oo = married Maria Adams > * 17.02.1833 in Heddert 23.08.1860 * 03.12.1838 in Hinzenburg > in Schoendorf > Son of: dau of: > Josef Wirtz + 3.7.1841 in Heddert Peter Adams + 7.10.1893 in > and Hinzenburg and > Margaretha Backes + 5.8.1865 Heddert Susanna Plunien + 28.02.1867 > > Kinder: (children) > * 11.10.1860 Peter > * 24.07.1862 Nikolaus > * 24.02.1864 Johann + 09.08.1876 in Paschel > * 01.03.1866 Elisabeth > * 21.10.1869 Anna + 28.11.1869 in Paschel > * 23.10.1870 Matthias (ausgewandert nach USA) > * 11.04.1873 Josef (Zwilling) > * 11.04.1873 Michael + 23.06.1873 in Paschel > > Ehepaar Wirtz - Adams laut Mergen, Nr. 1371 im Monat Maerz 1881 > ( 12.03.1881 ) nach Nordamerika ausgewandert > > Alle Angaben aus den Familienbuechern (Fam.book) Hentern, Nr. 2271, > Schillingen, Nr. 2260, Schoendorf, Nr. 1997 und Hinzenburg b. Trier > Fam.buecher von: Heribert Scholer und Heinrich Wagner > > Freundliche Gruesse aus Trier > Richard Schaffner >

Meg: My family left Europe via Antwerp in December of 1880 and arrived in the Port of New York in April of 1881. They were aboard the Belgenland but I am unsure as to the route. Mary Wurtz Thrasher ============================================= > > My great-grandfather and his family left Europe for the US in 1866. They left > from the port of Antwerp. They were living in Reinsfeld when they left. > > Can anyone tell me what usual route and method of travel was used between > Reinsfeld(Trier) and Antwerp at that time? And how long it took? > > Meg Nelson > MegNel1659@aol.com > Researching NOLL, SOSSONG, MEISBERGER > >

Does any one know if there is a town by the name of Treeves or Treves or Trebes near Trier, Germany? Are these all misspellings of Trier? In the records I have for my great uncle, Peter Martini, different documents refer to these various names. Thanks for any insight. Tom Knops