Bonjour, Je decouvre cette liste a laquelle je viens de m'inscrire. Je ne suis pas capable d'ecrire en anglais. Est il possible de le faire en francais ? Je recherche une famille WEIL juive (couple Abraham et Blamgen ?) vivant a Treves (Trier) en 1807. Un fils Heyman serait ne a Treves le 01/08/1776. Merci pour toute aide. Michel COLLIGNON Généalogie, Répertoire de généalogistes francophones Les A.D.74, Paris, Le CARAN, Le Minutier central http://perso.wanadoo.fr/michel.collignon Les sites généalogistes: http://francegenweb.org/ http://www.multimania.com/geneanet/ http://www.geneabank.org La liste des utilisateurs de Griot : griot@sorengo.com
I have been to Trier area on 3 occasions to research family documents. First I went to Merzig the birthplace of my Grandfather, I was able to get his birth certificate (information below). Also I was able to find the death certificate for his father and from this death certificate I located his birthplace, names of his parents, and age. Later I followed this information to Longuich and Schweich where I obtained the information following below. I am interested if anyone has some of these names in searches they have made. grandfather: Johann Peter Michael HERRES born: 3 Jan 1877 Merzig immigrated to Washington State in 1882 with his mother and her family FLERCHINGER and 3 siblings. g-grandfather: Nicolaus HERRES born: 6 Dec 1846 Longuich died: 14 Mar 1881 Merzig g-grandmother: Lucia FLERCHINGER born: 3 Feb 1851 Besch? died in 1922 in USA When I went to Longuich it became a little more interesting, I got the marriage document for the parents of Nicolaus HERRES. His mother and father listed below were married 1-Jan-1841 in Longuich. But the names of the HERRES family on this document were spelled H�RRES, however on the birth records of all children of this marriage the name is very clearly spelled HERRES. g-g-grandfather: Michel HERRES or H�RRES born: 29 Mar 1815 in Casel (now Kasel / Ruwer) died ????? in Longerville by Metz in France g-g-grandmother: Anna Maria VALLERIUS born: 3 Oct 1819 in Longuich died ???? in Losheim The places of death of these two people above was recorded on the death certificate of their son, Nicolaus in 1881. Attending the wedding of these two people on 1-1-1841 were the parents listed below (or date of death) and witnesses: Parents of groom: g-g-g-grandfather: Johann Georg H�RRES born: 2 Mar 1792 living in Casel died: 16 Jun 1845 g-g-g-grandmother: Regina MAYER born: ???? died: 9 Jan 1826 last lived in Casel Parents of Bride: g-g-g-grandfather: Johann VALLERIUS born: ???? died: 26 Dec 1836 last lived in Longuich g-g-g-grandmother: Eva LIESER living in Longuich age 50 years, on daughters wedding date 1-1-1841 **********Witnesses at the wedding 1-1-1841 Matthias BECKER age 50 uncle of bride farmer living in Longuich Nikolaus LIESER age 57 reported not related carriage maker, living in Longuich Theodor VALLERIUS age 60 uncle of bride farmer & blacksmith living in Longuich Peter LEISCH age 40 not related to the couple farmer living in Longuich The known children of this marriage of Michel and Anna Maria HERRES: Maria Eva born 23 Feb 1842 in Longuich Peter born 29 Jul 1844 in Longuich my g-grandfather: Nicolaus born 6 Dec 1846 in Longuich Johann born 21 Nov 1849 in Longuich died 18 Dec 1849 in Longuich Johann born: 22 Jul 1851 in Longuich Other information that I have is that the mother of my grandfather at the start of the message: Lucy (Lucia, Luisa) FLERCHINGER was one of nine children of Michael FLERCHINGER, who died at Besch (on the Mosel) and her mother was Mary KOCH born 3 Feb 1823 and died 11 Oct 1893 at Pomeroy, Washington. This FLERCHINGER side of the family has some tracing back to Johann Martin FLOERCHINGER and his wife Anna Marie JOCHIM and it is believed they came from Alsace near Dahn. And finally besides the two spellings of FLERCHINGER above it is believed the family name origingated from PFLUERSCHINGER. So, my new friends at TRIER ROOTS what can anyone matchup? Thank You for taking the time to read through this: Jerry Herres Kennewick, Washington
Hello! I was wondering if anyone out there knew French and could translate the following two paragraphs for me. It's from a book about immigrants who left the Garnich & Dahlem area of Luxembourg. Thanks in advance, Art Michaelis Art@ArtMichaelis.com *********************************************** "d'une vouerie appellee Nickels dont le detenteur modern Nicolas y marie avec la by mission you monastere doit annuellement more livrer outer monastere deux maldres d'avoine, deux poules et un sol et demi, outre sa part corvees comme les autres voueries you monastere qui aussi bien que la jurisdiction fonciere dudit monastere se trouveront ciapres ae Garnich". "J'ai rendu service neuf to et six mois ae la ville de Ramberviller, approuve dans le diocese de St. Diez et examine more ponctualiter chaque annee par Monsieur Gerard, cure de cette dite ville, grand promoteur you dit diocese et docteur de Navarre, et ae Nancy par le Grand Vicaire Camus. Et j'ai rendu service ae la paroisse de Dahlem counterpart sept to approuve dans le diocese de Treves. Mon tres digne cure, per demande la CONTINUATION de votre amitie. Ever suis de rendre service pret aux publiques soit mirror-image-ritual soit temporelle, selon mes qualites. Ever suis avec votre respect serviteur. Pere Coelestinus ae Livange".
I am looking for information concerning the villages of Longuich and Fell (also Biewer and Euren) near Trier. Does anyone have any connections to the HORTEN and DEUTSCH families of this area? (Also BARZEN, KREUSCH, SCHEFFERS, MUELLER, BERENS, ZENNER, SCHIFF). Does anyone know the history of these villages and what life was like when they were part of Rhenish Prussia? Of the Archbishopric of Trier? Here is a list of my ancestral grandparents: LONGUICH Johann Horten (30 Apr. 1829-31 Oct. 1895) & Catherina Deutsch (4 Mar. 1822-21 Oct. 1900) Peter Horten (1786-22 Feb. 1836) & Anna Maria Kreusch (17 Apr. 1796-26 Feb. 1856) Maria Catherina Barzen (20 Jan. 1755-25 Mar. 1806) Peter Barzen & Anna Maria Mueller (married on 31 Jan. 1752) Greisch Johann Kreusch (11 Oct. 1757-11 Apr. 1828) & Susanna Berens (20 Feb. 1762- ?) (married on 15 May 1785) FELL Johann Horten (1 June 1750-16 May 1809) (married Maria Catherina Barzen on 28 Jan. 1777 at St.Martin Katholische Kirche) Johann Horten & Maria Scheffers (parents of Mathias, Johann, Nikolaus, Maria Madalena, Johann, and Theordor) Josef Walerio Deutsch ((1792 - ?) & Anna Maria Zenner ((1793 - ?) (married on 16 November 1812) BIEWER Johann Gregorius Deutsch (16 Sept. 1732 - ?) & Catherina Schiff (married on 26 Feb. 1783) Andreas & Angela Schiff (1820s) Johann & Margaretha Schiff (1830s) EUREN Adam Deutsch & Susanna Lanser (1720s) All of these names came from Catholic church records translated from Latin. Horten and Deutsch families immigrated to Baltimore, Maryland in the late 1850's. Bill Horten San Diego, California
According to my grandfather's death certificate he was born 1 July 1895 in Munstereifel. If I send a request to Standesamt Bad Munstereifel, including the zip code will it go to the right place? My mother has an old German map and on it is Munstereifel where on today's maps Bad Munstereifel is. Inge Kellier Edmonton, AB Canada
Hello, My great-great grandparents immigrated to the USA (Chicago, Illinois) in 1873. Their names were Johann Heinrich KYLL and his wife Margaretha KNAUF Kyll. They had four children with them, Jacob, Anna, Elise, Lucie and Johann. They listed Trier as their hometown. Does anyone have a connection with these names? I would like to find out more about them, including what area of Trier they came from. Thank you, Joyce Wenker in Cincinnati, OHio wenkerjoy@aol.com
Guten Tag, Ein Teil meiner Familie stammt von Saarland, von der Gegend von Trier und Hunsrück. Meine UrUrgrosseltern sind : - Schwarz Franz-Joseph und Rosad Teresa (wahrscheinlich in der Gegend von Birkenfeld -Börfink); -Meyer Friedrich und Kreuter Luise (bestimmt Saarland, Püttlingen?) -Madert Michel und Prem Elisabeth (ein Sohn ist in 1857 in Trier geboren). Diese Personen sind wahrscheinlich zwischen 1820 und 1840 geboren. Hätte jemanden schon eine diese Personen in eine Forschung begegnet? Im vorraus vielen Dank für Auskunft. Hello, A part of my family is originating from Saarland, the area of Trier and Hunsrück. My GGgrandparents are : -Schwarz Franz-Joseph and Rosad Teresa (likely in the area of Birkenfeld -Börfink); -Meyer Friedrich and Kreuter Luise (likely in Saarland, Püttlingen?) -Madert Michel and Prem Elisabeth (a Son is born in 1857 in Trier ). Has anybody met one of these persons in his researches? Thanks for information Jean-Jacques Schwarz
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Hi, My first time on this list and I am hoping it may be the one I want to be on....I need the list that Essen is in. Am I there???. If I am, I am looking for August Wedler who was born in1857. His father was Frederich, but I do not know his mother's name or where he came from. My latest news was Essen. I had been looking for him in the Schleswieg H. list. He came to America in 1874. Don't know how or where he started from. Every where I look.... brick wall. I hope some one can help me where I can start. It was suggested he may have been an orphan, but that is only guess work. I hope I am in the right place, if not, steer me please in the right direction. Thanks, Barbara Wedler Hudson
After subscribing to this list and reading it for awhile I am wondering if I am on the right list. I am interested in Manderfeld which is now in Belgium. When my Hillesheims left in 1854 it was Prussia and part of the Malvedy region. Am I on the right mailing list and if not do I move further north? To me the "map" puts me on the border of mailing lists. Thanks much. Jane White Minneapolis, MN medevice@sprintmail.com
Has anyone on this list any knowledge or listings of the Pflepsen surname? My wife was a Pflepsen, and her great grandfather, Nicholas Pflepsen, born June 16, 1839, came from Prussia, likely the Trier District, and settled in Cold Spring, Minnesota. I am looking for links to other Pflepsens and most specifically to that town or church in the Trier District from where this Pflepsen family ancestry originated. Sincerely, Denis Taft and Sylvia Pflepsen Taft
Thank you for clarifying the "Trier Issue" David. I guess it all depends on how you define such terms as "Grand Duchy," "Old Duchy," "Luxembourg," etc. --Suzanne On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:50:42 -0700 "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@wasatch.com> wrote: > Michael, > > Trier was part of old Duchy of Luxembourg for a long time until *1815* > when the Prussians took the Third Partition as the result of the > Congress of Vienna of 1815. Even lots of old maps show Trier in > Luxembourg. *Grand* Duchy of Luxembourg began in 1867. > > I have access to the map book of Luxembourg and so many maps showed > Trier as part of Luxembourg region. > > In fact Luxembourg's territory was much larger before the Austrians, > Spanish, French started chipping away the lands before 1698. > > W. David Samuelsen > > Michael Palmer wrote: > > > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Suzanne Bunkers > <suzanne.bunkers@Mankato.MSUS.EDU> > wrote: > > > > Yes, Trier was once in Luxembourg. But that section of > Luxembourg > > was partitioned and went to Germany during the 19th > century. > > > > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:20:09 EST BSCHUETTER@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone explain why Trier (in Germany) is the list site for > > > > research in Luxembourg? Was it ever part of Lux? Is there > another > > > site specifically for Lux research? Thanks. > > > No, Trier was most emphatically *never* part of Luxembourg. > > --- > Michael Palmer
I stand corrected concerning the city of Trier. According to a number of Luxembourg historians (e.g., Trausch, Calmes, Newcomer, etc.), prior to the 1815 partition, almost everything around Trier was considered part of the Grand Duchy under the rule of William of Orange. As Newcomer explains, "The allied powers (England, Prussia, Austria, Russia) declared that the eastern boundary of the new grand duchy should be defined from north to south by the Our, the Sure, and the Moselle Rivers. In general, those lands east of those rivers can be defined as the town areas of Neuerburg, Bitburg, and St. Vith. On the boundary rivers alone, 14 right-bank localities, one of which was Echternach, were cut off from their left-bank counterparts. Luxembourgian from time immemorial, all these communities should henceforth be Prussian. Only the territory of Vianden, on both sides of the river, remained entirely Luxembourgian. Thus it was that Luxembourg, which had already lost its southern lands (410 square miles) to France, now lost its eastern lands to Germany. That consisted of 50,000 people out of 400,000, living on a land surface almost as large as today's Grand Duchy (185-86). On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:25:51 -0800 Michael Palmer <mpalmer@netcom.com> wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers@Mankato.MSUS.EDU> > wrote: > > > Yes, Trier was once in Luxembourg. But that section of Luxembourg > > was partitioned and went to Germany during the 19th century. > > > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:20:09 EST BSCHUETTER@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Can anyone explain why Trier (in Germany) is the list site for > > > research in Luxembourg? Was it ever part of Lux? Is there another > > > site specifically for Lux research? Thanks. > > No, Trier was most emphatically *never* part of Luxembourg. > --- > Michael Palmer > Claremont, California > mpalmer@netcom.com ---------------------- Suzanne Bunkers Professor of English & Director of Honors Program Minnesota State University Mankato MN 56002-8400 E-mail: suzanne.bunkers@Mankato.MSUS.EDU Home page: http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~susanna/Default.htm
I am surprised in the continuing debate over the relationship between Trier and Luxembourg no one has mentioned that the Prince-Archbishops of Trier were frequently members of the ruling house of Luxembourg from the 14th century on. Anyone who has been to the region will easily recognize that the population has remained a constant through most of the last 2000 years, though the ruling authority has changed frequently from Celts to Romans to Franks to a visit from the Huns to Carolingians to French to Spanish to Austrian to German to French to Prussians to Dutch to Germans. A tour of Luxembourg City will include the fact that, while well fortified through the ages, it is among "the most often conquered cities" in the world--a trophy of conquering armies everywhere in Europe. The title of Elector of Trier, the archbishopric, was also frequently a trophy. Those of us doing research in the area recognize that our ancestors were tied to the land and the valleys and took their rulers in stride. Anyone who wants separate lists for Luxembourg and Trier is missing the big picture of proximity and intermarriage across those arbitrary lines on our modern maps and will likely find themselves stymied in trying to understand their family tree. Don Kilburg
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@wasatch.com> wrote: > Trier was part of old Duchy of Luxembourg for a long time until *1815* > when the Prussians took the Third Partition as the result of the > Congress of Vienna of 1815. Even lots of old maps show Trier in > Luxembourg. *Grand* Duchy of Luxembourg began in 1867. > > I have access to the map book of Luxembourg and so many maps showed > Trier as part of Luxembourg region. > > In fact Luxembourg's territory was much larger before the Austrians, > Spanish, French started chipping away the lands before 1698. Trier was *never* part of any duchy of Luxembourg. In addition to his spiritual authority, the archbishop/elector of Trier was a temporal ruler, ruling over an independent principality that at the end of the 18th century covered some 3,210 square miles, with a population of between 250,000 and 300,000 people. The temporal power of the archbishops was established in 898. The temporal independence of the electorate was abolished by the peace of Luneville in 1801, by which France annexed the territories of Trier on the left (west) bank of the Rhine; the last elector abdicated the following year. The electoral territories on the right (east) bank of the Rhine were secularized and granted to Nassau-Weilburg in 1803. By the first treaty of Paris in 1814, Prussia received nearly the whole of the former territory of the electorate. Michael Palmer --- Michael Palmer Claremont, California mpalmer@netcom.com
Michael, Trier was part of old Duchy of Luxembourg for a long time until *1815* when the Prussians took the Third Partition as the result of the Congress of Vienna of 1815. Even lots of old maps show Trier in Luxembourg. *Grand* Duchy of Luxembourg began in 1867. I have access to the map book of Luxembourg and so many maps showed Trier as part of Luxembourg region. In fact Luxembourg's territory was much larger before the Austrians, Spanish, French started chipping away the lands before 1698. W. David Samuelsen Michael Palmer wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers@Mankato.MSUS.EDU> > wrote: > > > Yes, Trier was once in Luxembourg. But that section of Luxembourg > > was partitioned and went to Germany during the 19th century. > > > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:20:09 EST BSCHUETTER@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Can anyone explain why Trier (in Germany) is the list site for > > > research in Luxembourg? Was it ever part of Lux? Is there another > > > site specifically for Lux research? Thanks. > > No, Trier was most emphatically *never* part of Luxembourg. > --- > Michael Palmer > Claremont, California > mpalmer@netcom.com > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Brother, > Can you spare $10 for Rootsweb? > Ask me why ... mailto:dsam@wasatch.com
For those who would like to work more specifically on Luxembourg: Two of the best web sites for genealogical work in Luxembourg are Luxembourg on My Mind: http://members.aol.com/VailCorp/lux.html by Fausto Gardini Genelux: http://www.eskimo.com/~lisanne/index.html by Lisa Oberg I hope that, after you've had a chance to visit these web sites, you'll post to the "Luxembourg on My Mind" guestbook, as many researchers check it for specific names, and you might link up with others searching for your names. Also, Jean Ensch has been very helpful to me, using his database of surnames in Luxembourg. He also put together an excellent web site under the "Institut Grand Ducal" name: http://www.igd-leo.lu/ And another fine web site that contains information about an immigrant's journey to America is at TIESNET (Transatlantic Information Exchange Service): http://www.tiesnet.org/menu/index.php?lang=en&main=1&cat=3&sel=2 On my web site, I have a section called "Luxembourg Research." It contains an essay, "Reflections of Luxembourg in the Midwestern United States." You might want to scroll through it (my URL is below). Best of luck in your search! Suzanne ---------------------- Suzanne Bunkers Professor of English & Director of Honors Program Minnesota State University Mankato MN 56002-8400 E-mail: suzanne.bunkers@Mankato.MSUS.EDU Home page: http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~susanna/Default.htm
Yes, Trier was once in Luxembourg. But that section of Luxembourg was partitioned and went to Germany during the 19th century. On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:20:09 EST BSCHUETTER@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone explain why Trier (in Germany) is the list site for > research in Luxembourg? Was it ever part of Lux? Is there another > site specifically for Lux research? Thanks. > > Bill Schuetter > Orland Park, IL > > ______________________________ ---------------------- Suzanne Bunkers Professor of English & Director of Honors Program Minnesota State University Mankato MN 56002-8400 E-mail: suzanne.bunkers@Mankato.MSUS.EDU Home page: http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~susanna/Default.htm