My great-grandparents lived in Wiesbaum county of Daun in the Eifel vulcanic lowlands in the 1880's. I was wondering what Catholic Churches existed then and where the records for these churches are kept and if possible a address where I can write to get a copy of their records. My e-mail address is b.b@cyberback.com Thanks Phyllis Phyllis

Werner, I was fascinated by your account of Mr. Wurringen and the many old church records that are out there but probably unknown except by people such as you. Your comments on reading the old German script were reminescent of my first attempt at untangling them. I was ready to throw up my hands and surrender but decided to hang in there and give it a try. Amazingly I like you became proficient enough to be able to read the important things in those records. I wonder if you might be able to point me inthe right direction in my family research. I have gotten excellent information from the Catholic church records photagraphed by the LDS that go back to 1684. These records are for the towns of Illingen, Thalexweiler, Eppelborn and Marpingen in SAAR and Zülpich in RHEINLAND. Although my ancestors did not live in these towns, the churches were located there. Unfortunately, and I am sure that others have encountered a similar problem, I would like to go farther back but have no idea what information is out there that would enable me to do this. I have thus far, relied solely on Catholic church records. I know that there are books such as ORTSIPPENBUCHERS but do not know if there were any written for the towns that I have mentioned. Also if these books are in the LDS Family History Center at Salt Lake, they are not loaned out. I would appreciate your suggestions. Frank J. Kuhn flask1@worldnet.att.net

Just found this information....can anyone help? That Matthias Mueller and brother Christian, and two sisters were the children of Matthias Mueller and Margaretha Ambrose(or Ambrosi). One record says that Matthias was born at Banstedt, Rhine Province, Germany on 9 June, 1829. Another says born at Trier, Luxembourg, Germany. Could anyone verify these, tell me what Kirchenbuch these (Banstedt)would be in at the LDS, or any information on this family. Thank you in advance. Sansu

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------249C11B532D85F8A179BD037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sorry that I sent this to Mr. Lichter instead of the list. I merely hit the reply button in my excitement. I will now try to do this right.<G> Karen --------------249C11B532D85F8A179BD037 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <379A1B55.F7BCFC0F@cnsinternet.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:00:22 -0500 From: Karen De Groote-Johnson <europatb@cnsinternet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Johannes Lichter <Lichter-WJ@t-online.de> Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re:Church Books, parishes part 2 (City of Trier) References: <001901bed5b8$9c049f80$84a781d0@bernie> <379A11F1.172FB65B@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Listers: I was very excited to learn about the "church books" as written of by Mr. Lichter. I am at an impasse with regard to my GGGrandfather, Peter DIRKES. He immigated to the US and all his siblings except one also came, over a period of 2 years or so in the 1860's. Peter was born 6 July 1842 at Bauler, Kreis Bitburg. His parents came to the US with the youngest son John but were lost at see when their ship burned (young John swam ashore). Peter's oldest brother John (called Dicka John) stayed in Bauler. I have no idea who their parents were and this is what I wish to find out. A very knowledgable man told me that the records for this family would be at Trier. I know there is only a small chapel at Bauler (appx. 1 mile from Luxembourg border). Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated. Side note: Peter Dirkes maried Maria RICHTER in MN. She was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Richter but I have no information on her siblings or where she came from in Germany. Thank you very much for all you wonderful knowledge and assistance. Happy Hunting, Karen De Groote-Johnson Aplington, IA --------------249C11B532D85F8A179BD037--

Hi Martha, The Pirmasens Genealogical Study Group is a very friendly and helpful group of people who have a very informative web page at this URL: http://home.t-online.de/home/braun.b/geneengl.html Also, the LDS has microfilmed most church records and some family books in the Pirmasens area. Good luck in your research. Janice Danks The Engelbachs wrote: > Grüss aux Iowa-USA > > I have just found out that the area of my ancestral origins is in the Homburg, Zweibrücken, and Pirmasens area. My great-grandfather, Adolph Engelbach, was born on 8 July 1846. He emigrated to United States throught the port of LeHarve in November, 1869 aboard the ship "Bellona". He was Catholic. > > Can anyone guide me in my search for the specific town of origins and the name of his parents, siblings cousins in the area? I do not know where to look. > > Vielen Danke, > Martha Engelbach > > Martha Engelbach > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Perhaps this has been asked before. I know there is a Baden Emmigration Index. Is there such thing as a Luxembourg Emmigration Index and if so, where is it? Thanks again Karen

Hi folks, I'm looking for the family of Katherine Wilwerding, born Dec 8, 1881 in Luxembourg. This information was given to me by her g-granddaughter, who lives in Minnesota. Any information about Miss Katherine will be graciously accepted!! Best regards Ron

Hi: If you tell me what family/families you are working on maybe I can help provide you with some links or data. Bob Olson Hastings, MN

Hello readers, Bernie asked a interesting question. I looked into my database for Trier family books and found the following information. In the 1930`s a Mr. Wurringen wrote the first family books for the mosel valley and the city of Trier. These books are now at the moment the most important books after the church books. They show in sorted entries by family a-->z the most (not all !) families in the at the end of this email noted family books. Mr. Wurringen was working as a "Dechant" in the catholic region of Trier. He listed no other religious communities, not the jewish and not the protestant. The enties are not complete, what we knowe today is he had not written down what he could not read and he wrote no unknown names. At the end we now knowe that Mr. Wurringen was an important local genealogist but not correct, only 70% of all entries of Trier church books are noted in his books. Alle his books are written by handwriting in the old german script, called suetterlin. This is very hard to read for 98% of all germans today. I did need 6 monthe to read a little but now I am good, I think, in reading the old handwriting 1450-1943. My grandfather Johann Lichter, called Schmatten Hens, was a blacksmith. In his books he wrote in the 1960`s 40% of his entries in Suetterlin and his half sister Susanna Leiberts had a cook book written in the 1950->1968 in 100% old german script and very hard to read. All germans after 1945 now only the international writing, and would be very amused to see how their ancestors wrote only 2 generations ago. Back to the family books: The church books of the 2015 year old city of Trier do beginn in 1569-1571. I this the very most church books could have been saved over the 30 years war 1618-1648, the french wars 1648-1716, the both world wars and some fires. Sometimes the priests find some old books in their churches like the old Bitburg church book some years ago (it begins 1634). The church books of Trier do include some towns around like Besslich,Mertesdorf and Sirzenich. Some other villages were incorporated into the city during 1815-1969 like Biewer, Ehrang, Pfalzel, Pallien, Maar, Loewenbruecken, Fausenburg, Euren, Zewen, Monaise, Weishaus, Busental, Herresthal, Feyen, Zurlauben, Paulin or Strass Paulin, Ruwer, Irsch near Trier, the mill "Irschermuehle" near Irsch, Irschbergerhof, Mattnerhof, Olewig, Medard, Saint Matthias, Petrishof, Houses infornt of the MOSELBRUECKE, Bellevue, Schneidershof, Weisshaus, Kockelsberg, Sievenicherhof, Saint Barbara, Kuerenz, Avelertal, Forsthaus at the hill of Grueneberg, Nell`s parc, Tabaksmuehle (tabaccomill), Wasserstation (waterstation), Gruenebberg, Heiligkreuz, Oberbrubach, Bleiche Olewig, Tiergarten near Trier, Herrenbruennchen, Estricherhof, Forsthaus Kobenbach, Mariahof, Balduinshaeuschen, Catharinenhof, Markusberg, Heidenberg (not Heidenburg), Oberkirch near Zewen, Filsch, Kernscheid, Tarforst, Eitelsbach. I think this is all, but I am not 100% shure, only 95%. These parts of the city of Trier and Trier itself often changed the place of parish, some never changed. It is hard to find in all of the original church books alle the entries, because the entries for this city are about 500.000 or more for the years 1569-1815. Trier had some hospitals and military places, was and is a centrum for the hole region including east Luxembourg. A lot of couples were married in the dome of Saint Peter since the roman periode 450-->1999. I have some ancestors too, whose marriage was in Trier but not in the town where they lived after. I will now list the books of Mr. Wurringen, knowing in this region by genealogist as their father of genealogists and called only "Dechant Wurringen": Trier, parish of Our lovely women "Liebfrauen": 1798-1884 Trier-Ruwer 1680-1854 Trier, parish of Saint Antonius 1570-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Antonius 1798-1860 Trier, parish of Saint Gangolf 1733-1905 Trier, parish of Saint Gangolf 1570-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Gervasius 1638-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Gervasius 1810-1897 Trier, parish of Saint Laurentius 1798-1884 Trier, parish of Saint Laurentius 1570-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Matthias 1798-1902 Trier, parish of Saint Medard 1638-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Paulin (A WOUNDERFULL PAINTED CHURCH) 1800-1896 Trier, parish of Saint Paulus 1798-1893 Trier, parish of Saint Paulus 1570-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Walburga 1638-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Walburgis 1748-1798 Mertesdorf is in the parish of Saint Paulin Konz-Merzlich is in the parish of Trier-Palastpfarrei and Saint Mathias Trierweiler-Sirzenich is in the parish of Saint Michael Trier-Kuerenz is in the parish of Saint Paulin Trier-Maar is in the parish of Saint Paulin ---- After Mr. Wurringen the writing and the corrections of Trier church books stopped untill the 1980`s. After the war the people had other more importand things to do. Here are the lists of the church books from 1980-->1998. I can not write down the running project, I do not have complete infos for it. Trier-Biewer, a printed book of our list-member Richard Schaffner 1600-1880 Trier-Ehrang (including Pfalzel), a printed book of Mt.Schaffner 1600-1880 Trier-Euren, a printed book from Hans Peter Bungert 1600-1798 but I think there is a new one untill 1900 Trier-Irsch, a printed book from Heinrich Wagner 1673-1900 Trier-Pallien, a printed book (including Besslich) of Mr.Wagner 1731-1804 Trier, parish of Saint Helena, a printed book of Mr. Bungert 1600-1798 Trier, parish of Saint Michael, a printed book of Mr. Wagner 1638-1803 Trier-Zewen (with Oberkirch and Heidenberg), a printed book of Mrs. Lika Hellwig 1695-1900 Alle these books of Mr. Wurringen are not printed and they are perhaps in the microfilms of Salt Lake City and you can see them when visiting Trier in the central city library, street of Weberbach. There you can make copies, too. In the archive of the catholic church of bishop in Trier are the books of Mr. Wurringen in the original, the original church books and a lot of detailed information about the several parishes and other new parishes, grownded after 1900. They can not help you in searching via e-mail or by letter. They do not have working people for this, sorry. For a little search (perhaps one name) they do help, but not a complete genealogy. There are several special genealogics in this region of Trier who do this. They do mostly knowe if there are ofter archive materials in this area like old tax lists. But this is much to complicate to write this down in this letter. Perhaps we can start this with other members of this list. I can not do this alone, because I am working in another job you knowe. When the Trier family book project will have ended, there will be about 30 new volumes of family books only abou Trier. I have read that the university of Trier is also very interesd in this project. This was never done before in such a complete work like they do it now, And all the people which are writing and typing down the books entries are VOLUNTEERS. !!!! Clap your hand for this working ants. sincerely and best wishes to all your volunteer Werner LICHTER Ok, this is all I knowe for today. I hope this will help some people of this list ########################################################################## Bernie schrieb: > > Yesterday I sent the following message "Does anyone know if there are any > church books for the various churches in Trier." That was not the correct > question. In the smaller villages in Germany individuals have extracted the > data from the church books and published it, listed by family names, in > what they call a family book. For example the "Familienbuch der Pfarrei > Weiten." Does anyone know if this has been accomplished for the various > church books in the city of Trier? > > Bernie > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! 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HI Listers I am in search of any info about FRANCIS BEIVER or any variation of that spelling. He spent some time in the TRIER Area in the time period of 1825 to 1880S. I AM SORRY THAT i CAN'T GIVE EXACT DATES. Thanks for any info you can provide E BEVER WISC USA HAVE A HAPPY DAY BEEVES

Dear Mr. Lichter, I'm sorry to reply to the list but when I tried to send this to just Mr. Lichter my mail program said the address was incorrect. I belong to this list but mostly just read others' entries. My family is from Bourglinster and Junglinster, Luxembourg. I have had very little success researching. Do you know if there are any family or church books for those 2 places? Any help would be appreciated. My relatives are not in the Luxembourgers in the New World. Thank you in advance, Jenny Schuder Kilen Lichter-WJ@t-online.de (Werner Johannes Lichter) wrote: Hello readers, Bernie asked a interesting question. I looked into my database for Trier family books and found the following information. In the 1930`s a Mr. Wurringen wrote the first family books for the mosel valley and the city of Trier. These books are now at the moment the most important books after the church books. They show in sorted entries by family a-->z the most (not all !) families in the at the end of this email noted family books. Mr. Wurringen was working as a "Dechant" in the catholic region of Trier. He listed no other religious communities, not the jewish and not the protestant. The enties are not complete, what we knowe today is he had not written down what he could not read and he wrote no unknown names. At the end we now knowe that Mr. Wurringen was an important local genealogist but not correct, only 70% of all entries of Trier church books are noted in his books. Alle his books are written by handwriting in the old german script, called suetterlin. This is very hard to read for 98% of all germans today. I did need 6 monthe to read a little but now I am good, I think, in reading the old handwriting 1450-1943. My grandfather Johann Lichter, called Schmatten Hens, was a blacksmith. In his books he wrote in the 1960`s 40% of his entries in Suetterlin and his half sister Susanna Leiberts had a cook book written in the 1950->1968 in 100% old german script and very hard to read. All germans after 1945 now only the international writing, and would be very amused to see how their ancestors wrote only 2 generations ago. Back to the family books: Clap your hand for this working ants. sincerely and best wishes to all your volunteer Werner LICHTER Ok, this is all I knowe for today. I hope this will help some people of this list ########################################################################## > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Brother, Can you spare $10 for Rootsweb? Ask me why ... mailto:dsam@wasatch.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

Grüss aux Iowa-USA I have just found out that the area of my ancestral origins is in the Homburg, Zweibrücken, and Pirmasens area. My great-grandfather, Adolph Engelbach, was born on 8 July 1846. He emigrated to United States throught the port of LeHarve in November, 1869 aboard the ship "Bellona". He was Catholic. Can anyone guide me in my search for the specific town of origins and the name of his parents, siblings cousins in the area? I do not know where to look. Vielen Danke, Martha Engelbach Martha Engelbach

Yesterday I sent the following message "Does anyone know if there are any church books for the various churches in Trier." That was not the correct question. In the smaller villages in Germany individuals have extracted the data from the church books and published it, listed by family names, in what they call a family book. For example the "Familienbuch der Pfarrei Weiten." Does anyone know if this has been accomplished for the various church books in the city of Trier? Bernie

Does anyone know if there are any church books for the various churches in Trier?

Hi Bernie, There is a 'Familienbuch' for Alsdorf, Rgbez Trier, on LDS film # 1858545. It covers the villages/towns of Alsdorf, Niederweis, some Kaschenbach and Wolsfeld. The beginning dates of records for births, deaths and marriages vary, some beginning 1722; and I know from comparing records I actually have from other sources, with names and dates they show, that the family entries are not always complete. But it is well worth checking out; it includes a maps and the 'history' of who governed/ruled/headed the parish from 739 through1760!! Good Luck, Patt

Dr. Richard Waxweiler Berlin, Deutschland/Germany dr.richard@waxweiler.de www.waxweiler.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: <BoatKitten@aol.com> An: <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juli 1999 17:57 Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Immigrant Ships online > > PS -- One of my potential ancestors was found on the "Wesphalia", from the > place "Lubeck"....does anyone know where this place is? Thank you. > Valerie Hallo Valerie, Luebeck is a famous town in the north of Germany, not far away of Hamburg. Greetings from Germany Richard

Greetings everyone: I don't know if you all know about this web-site, but the volunteers at "IMMIGRANT SHIPS TRANSCRIBERS GUILD" have been working non-stop, with the goal of uploading ship lists for immigrants from all over the world. Many of these lists also show who was travelling along with them, relationship, their children, who their luggage was packed with, who died on the journey and where they were born, loyalty and destination. http://istg.rootsweb.com/ This is a wonderul place to find your ancestors! Enjoy PS -- One of my potential ancestors was found on the "Wesphalia", from the place "Lubeck"....does anyone know where this place is? Thank you. Valerie Boatkitten@aol.com

>Hi folks, >My ancestral lines have now taken me from the Nordic countries to Germany >where I hope I will be as successful as I was with the Swedes. "S". >My g-grandpa Leonard Therres, (Terres)? was born Oct 1857 in Fleicen, >Germany, as were his parents. He emigrated to the US in 1883, got married to >Mary Kerst and settled down in Mpls, Minnesota. I can't locate Leonard's >home, Fleicen, on any map. Does that mean the place never existed or has its >name changed for some reason? I have a soundex list of about 20 names of the >place so maybe the individual who gave me this name was mistaken about its >spelling. >I think I have two places that qualify, in terms of phonics, for Fleicen. >One is Freicen, Saarland and the other is Fliessem, in Rheinland-Pfalz. Can >anyone on the list help me solve this dilemma? >Thanks a lot for you time and effort dealing with this matter!!! >Ron >bigswede@compsurf.com

Jim Ross, My Ross ancestors came from near the area of the Eifel.. The furthest back I go is Jean Henri Ross born abt. 1740 in Manderfeld, Prussia (in Belgium since 1920) who married Anne Claire Murges in Manderfeld and had a son Jean Jacques Ross who I am descended from. Jean's son Hubert Ross and his wife Anna Marie Christen were the emigrants with their 7 children, including my grandmother Anna. They settled in Southern Minnesota near New Ulm. She married Christian Turbes also from Manderfeld. Any connection? Joan-from Sunny California -- Joan Schneider Born Researching Surnames: Austria-Bohemia; LIEBL, SCHNEIDER, YOUNG(YUNG), HUNA, BENESCH, LENG Germany; BORN, HERRMAN Eastern Belgium(formerly Prussia,Germany) TURBES, ROSS, GROSJEAN, CHRISTEN, MURGES,LAMBY,DROMMER, HAMMES, KLINKERS, KNOTT, HUPERTZ, BRAND

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