the parish record would show the occupation of his father. In latin. W. David Samuelsen Angelia M Pfeifer wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I am looking for information on the occupation of my family members before > they left Germany. I just learned an interesting story about my 4x great > grandfather who was drafted into the Prussian army against his will in > 1848. According to the story, service in the Prussian army was so abhorrent > at that time that it was sarcastically referred to as "becoming a > Prussian." My grandfather, already unhappy to be in the army, was driven > too hard by an officer and threw his gun (bayonet attached) at the man. The > bayonet caused a huge gash in the officer's face. Unable to speak, the > commander was taken to the hospital. My grandfather managed to convince > authorities that the gun had been "fairly resulted from his grasp" but > believed court-martial was eminent as soon as the officer was able to speak > his side. So grandpa escaped into the German frontier, where he met a > "shrewd young woman" (whatever that means) who introduced him to a mounted > guard who in turn helped grandpa across the French border and then into > Italy with out a pass. Grandpa then fought for the Papal Guard before > immigrating to the US in 1856 where is finally settled down as a farmer in > Minnesota. > > I have read that conscription was not universal at that time in Prussia. I > know that most Junkers and their peasants were exempt from the draft. That > means grandpa's family must have been some sort of free peasantry or > members of some lower craft. Grandpa's name was John Pfeifer and he was > born in 1828. His father was Johannes Pfeifer born in 1787. Both were from > Rappweiler, Konfeld, Trier. John was christened at St. John the Baptist. > Can anyone guide me as to how to find their occupation? > > Thanks! > > Angie > APFEIFER@prodigy.net > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I joined a collaboration list at familysearch.com & dont seem to get any reply. Family search does not give personal help because of the volume,and Aol cant seem to help either. DO I get replys to my e- mail address or should I look elsewhere ? When I click the list it gives me a send screen only . I have requested a reply several times. any help would appreciate . Thanks Mike

try www.expedia maps .com I found some of them

Hi Everyone! I am looking for information on the occupation of my family members before they left Germany. I just learned an interesting story about my 4x great grandfather who was drafted into the Prussian army against his will in 1848. According to the story, service in the Prussian army was so abhorrent at that time that it was sarcastically referred to as "becoming a Prussian." My grandfather, already unhappy to be in the army, was driven too hard by an officer and threw his gun (bayonet attached) at the man. The bayonet caused a huge gash in the officer's face. Unable to speak, the commander was taken to the hospital. My grandfather managed to convince authorities that the gun had been "fairly resulted from his grasp" but believed court-martial was eminent as soon as the officer was able to speak his side. So grandpa escaped into the German frontier, where he met a "shrewd young woman" (whatever that means) who introduced him to a mounted guard who in turn helped grandpa across the French border and then into Italy with out a pass. Grandpa then fought for the Papal Guard before immigrating to the US in 1856 where is finally settled down as a farmer in Minnesota. I have read that conscription was not universal at that time in Prussia. I know that most Junkers and their peasants were exempt from the draft. That means grandpa's family must have been some sort of free peasantry or members of some lower craft. Grandpa's name was John Pfeifer and he was born in 1828. His father was Johannes Pfeifer born in 1787. Both were from Rappweiler, Konfeld, Trier. John was christened at St. John the Baptist. Can anyone guide me as to how to find their occupation? Thanks! Angie APFEIFER@prodigy.net

Thank you for all the information on the Black Forest. Judy

no. No such as dumb questions. Just quest for answers. well-known Black Forest (Schwarzwald) is further east - in Baden. However there are other natural parks abound in Saarland, Rheinland-Pfalz and Luxembourg. Ardennes in Luxembourg come to mind because that's where the WWII German armies tried to break through. Losheim am See is another natural park (almost like national park) located in north part of Saarland centered around Losheim. Other major parks in Rheinland-Pfalz??? W. David Samuelsen HarGem2@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Group, > I am sure this must be a dumb question for most of you, but if the Black > Forest in Trier? > Judy

Hi to all! I have a family tree that lists the following towns that I have been unable to locate. Since they were written in old German script, they may be slightly misspelled. I can't find them through mapquest or genealogy.com: 1. Faifz (could be Faisz) 2. Ohrenecken 3. Schwarzengorn 4. Laymuhle 5. Flechenmunster 6. Wenzelhaufen 7. Schutz 8. Bertrich 9. Blies Ebersingen 10. Bruch 11. Wawern 12. St. Vith 13. Forsth.Condel 14. Kausbach ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Valerie Knecht Hoff, vkhoff@aol.com Researching: OBERTREIS, SCHIENE, SCHMIDT, KNECHT, REHBERG, GLASS and FAWCETT from Ireland.

to where Pommerania is now (about AD 1300), which explain red hair where Germans don't. There was a large scale migration from Scotland to Pommerania (Pommern) which is now split between Germany and Poland. W. David Samuelsen Bearacuda1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/99 6:29:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > << Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] NEIFING/WARKMAN; DEU > DFS,SCT; 1600- > > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:25:51 -0700 > > From: angel@adcomsys.net >> > > I remember reading in a book (can't think of it right now) about about 1600, > 5,000 Scotsmen (no females) moved to Poland. I do know that most of the > trees in Scotland had been cut down c. 1000, so most of the top soil washed > away, the configuration of the Scots' farms led to pilferage (cattle > rustling?), times were very hard. > Helen Hewitt >

Subject: Black Forest Judy wrote and asked if the Black Forest was in Trier. No, it is about 120 air miles southeast if you center on Triberg which is a delight to the beholder. It's almost like a fairy tale. Regards, Dan

Hi All, I am seeking information on the following ancestors: MATHIAE SCHNEIDER m. CATHARINAE SCHMITZ. And their child WILHELMI SCHNEIDER, b. 1774, Densborn, Rheinland, m. ELISABETHAE (KÖNIGS) KOENIGS b. in Neidenbach, Rhineland and their child HUBERTUS SCHNEIDER, b. December 03, 1819, Densborn, Rheinland, m. ANNA STEILS in Neidenbach and their children . ANNA SCHNEIDER, b. February 22, 1853. BERNHARD SCHNEIDER, b. November 30, 1855. . MATTHIAS SCHNEIDER, b. March 29, 1857. JOHANN (JOHN) C. SCHNEIDER, b. December 30, 1857 . JOHANN SCHNEIDER, b. July 18, 1859. . MARGARETE SCHNEIDER, b. December 11, 1860. THOMAS SCHNEIDER, b. April 04, 1865. Any help will be appreciated. Jan researching: GROSSBACH, GUTZMER, KUSKE, LEISTIKOW, SCHNEIDER, STAPLES, ZABEL, BROWN, FRANCIS, PERRY, SPLAN, WYBRANT

In a message dated 8/5/99 6:29:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] NEIFING/WARKMAN; DEU > DFS,SCT; 1600- > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:25:51 -0700 > From: angel@adcomsys.net >> I remember reading in a book (can't think of it right now) about about 1600, 5,000 Scotsmen (no females) moved to Poland. I do know that most of the trees in Scotland had been cut down c. 1000, so most of the top soil washed away, the configuration of the Scots' farms led to pilferage (cattle rustling?), times were very hard. Helen Hewitt

I am new to the list and am researching the BARIERE, BERRYERE, BERRYERY BIERE, BERIERE name, my BERRYERE name went to Galicia, Austria first (I think) and then went to Rosch, Bukovina, Austria. This would be in the late 1700's or early 1800's. In the German phone book, there is a Phillippe BARIERE listed in Trier area, so this might be the place they originated from. Is anyone researching this name or similar names? My BERRYERE family immigrated to Sask. Canada in 1903 from Rosch, Bukovina, Austria. I have been to the FHC library and have all the BERRYERY's back to about 1820 in Rosch, Bukovina. I am trying to find out where they came from before Bukovina. Any ideas anyone? Jean Daley (Berryere) fjdaley@ecn.mb.ca

Hi, Why do I get two copies of your E-Mail?? Thank You Eleanor Kiser ekiser@ezworks.net TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 235 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Need info. ["Phyllis" <b.b@cyberback.com>] > #2 Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Need info. [Lichter-WJ@t-online.de (Werner Joh] > #3 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] NEIFING/WARKMAN; D [angel@adcomsys.net] > #4 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Black Forest [HarGem2@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from TRIER-ROOTS-D, send a message to > > TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Need info. > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:21 -0500 > From: "Phyllis" <b.b@cyberback.com> > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Folks: > Need some help if at all possible. My ggreatparents lived in WIESBAUM county of Daun in the Eifel vulcanic lowlands in the mid 1880's before emigrating to the the U.S in 1881. I am trying to find the Catholic Parish that they belonged to. > > Now the problem: Where would the records for the Catholic Churches in that vicinity be: WIESBAUM or TRIER? > > If it is TRIER, there are eight Catholic Churches that have had their records microfilmed, which means eight rolls of film. Would like to know if there is someone out there who might know which Catholic Churches existed in the area > described above. Would like to narrow it down to three or four. > > Thanks, > Phyllis > > my e-mail address is b.b@cyberback.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Need info. > Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:40:00 +0200 > From: Lichter-WJ@t-online.de (Werner Johannes Lichter) > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Folks and Phyllis, > > the parish of Wiesbaum was it`s own with the towns of Mirbach and the > mill near Wiesbaum, called Wiesbaumer Muehle. > In 1905 the parish had 515 roman-catholic inhabitans, no other religion. > >From these people 403 lived in Wiesbaum, where the parish church is with > the name "St. Martinus Ep." In the town of Mirbach were 101 people and > in the mill 10 peolpe. Parishes around are Berndorf, Esch, Glaadt, > Hillesheim, Lissendorf, Miederehe and Uexheim. Before 1804 perhaps the > towns belonged to an older parish in another town. These infos are in > Trier and I do not have them at home. But Trier is only 12 miles from > here. > Wiesbaum is located in the high part of the Eifel lowlands. The area can > be located at a web page I told you all some days ago, called the > Eifel-webpage. The documents of the registry office (= "Standesamt") of > this area are in Hillesheim (1798->1999) located in the house of > "Verbandsgemeinde Hillesheim". And the parish documents are mostly at > the central archice of the bishop place in Trier in the so-called > "Bistumsarchiv Trier". Most of these copies are in Salt Lake City, too. > Any questions ? > > sincerely > > Werner LICHTER > from Gilzem, in the Eifel-lowlands in Germany, too > > ############################################################# > Phyllis schrieb: > > > > Hi Folks: > > Need some help if at all possible. My ggreatparents lived in WIESBAUM county of Daun in the Eifel vulcanic lowlands in the mid 1880's before emigrating to the the U.S in 1881. I am trying to find the Catholic Parish that they belonged to. > > > > Now the problem: Where would the records for the Catholic Churches in that vicinity be: WIESBAUM or TRIER? > > > > If it is TRIER, there are eight Catholic Churches that have had their records microfilmed, which means eight rolls of film. Would like to know if there is someone out there who might know which Catholic Churches existed in the area > > described above. Would like to narrow it down to three or four. > > > > Thanks, > > Phyllis > > > > my e-mail address is b.b@cyberback.com > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] NEIFING/WARKMAN; DEU > DFS,SCT; 1600- > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:25:51 -0700 > From: angel@adcomsys.net > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Any ideas or suggestions please! > > I am researching the NEIFING, NEUFING, NEUFEIND, families in Reinsfeld, > Osburg, Schillingen,Trier and Hannover areas, so far, back into late > 1700's. While looking through the FHC online site I was surprised to > find a NEIFING family living in Dumfriesshire, Scotland in the early > 1600's. Isobel NEIFING was married to Laurence WARKMAN 12.10.1607. > They are also found in the Old Parrish Register. > > Why would someone/family immigrate to Scotland from Germany in the early > 1600's? I've looked through several history sites, but still have no > clue as to why the move. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks so much, > > Karen Adams, Seattle > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Black Forest > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:13:39 EDT > From: HarGem2@aol.com > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Group, > I am sure this must be a dumb question for most of you, but if the Black > Forest in Trier? > Judy

Thank you Jerry Herres and Jim Korman for your help. I appreciate it very much. Carol -----Original Message----- From: creditr <creditr@wans.net> To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 1:58 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] SCHWARTZ, Theodore; DUE; 1838 >Looking for my grandfather's parents. > >My ggrandfather's name is Theodore Schwartz. We think he was born in 1838 >in Germany. Our ggrandmother's name is unknown. It is possible Theodore >had a second wife. Theodore had one son--Fredrick Theodore Schwartz-- and >four or five daughters (names unknown). Fredrick is my grandfather. He was >born in Rodershausen, Germany in 1871. Fred lived in Tier before >emigrating to the United States in August, 1893. He landed at the port of >New York. We know that a year later he filed a 'Declaration of Intent' in >Stevens Point, Portage County, Wisconsin. > >I do have the wonderful opportunity to be in Germany this fall to do some >research but I don't know where to begin. Where are the birth, death, and >land records kept for this time period for the area of Rodershausen and >Trier? I am new at this and need all the help I can get. >Thank you. >Carol >creditr@wans.net

>>>>>>X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:25:51 -0700 From: angel@adcomsys.net Any ideas or suggestions please! I am researching the NEIFING, NEUFING, NEUFEIND, families in Reinsfeld, Osburg, Schillingen,Trier and Hannover areas, so far, back into late 1700's. While looking through the FHC online site I was surprised to find a NEIFING family living in Dumfriesshire, Scotland in the early 1600's. Isobel NEIFING was married to Laurence WARKMAN 12.10.1607. They are also found in the Old Parrish Register. Why would someone/family immigrate to Scotland from Germany in the early 1600's? I've looked through several history sites, but still have no clue as to why the move. Any ideas? Thanks so much, Karen Adams, Seattle>>>>> Hi Karen ~ I have a CLAWSON family who arrived in the 1600's from Ireland. Historians say this family was originally McClay from Ireland (or Scotland). Once upon a time, there were two McClay or brothers in Ireland who were forced out of their country for religious reasons - I believe this was late 1500's or early 1600's. There, they changed their name to CLAUSON or CLAWSON to either avoid persecution or to fit into the German society. When the unrest subsided, one brother went back as McCLAY while the other kept the name CLAWSON. Eventually some members immigrated to America, as CLAWSON and others simply CLAY. In 1692, Elizabeth Periment CLAWSON of Stamford CT was tried as a witch and convicted (my 8x grandmother) Imagine ~~~ ALL that trouble escaping persectution, only to come to the "Land of the Free" and get bound and gagged and thrown into a pond! (Elizabeth was eventually set free using the first "character witnesses" in law history) I wonder if the genealogy of a famous person such as "Henry CLAY" would have some history about his name that would give us more clues? Valerie

Hi Group, I am sure this must be a dumb question for most of you, but if the Black Forest in Trier? Judy

Any ideas or suggestions please! I am researching the NEIFING, NEUFING, NEUFEIND, families in Reinsfeld, Osburg, Schillingen,Trier and Hannover areas, so far, back into late 1700's. While looking through the FHC online site I was surprised to find a NEIFING family living in Dumfriesshire, Scotland in the early 1600's. Isobel NEIFING was married to Laurence WARKMAN 12.10.1607. They are also found in the Old Parrish Register. Why would someone/family immigrate to Scotland from Germany in the early 1600's? I've looked through several history sites, but still have no clue as to why the move. Any ideas? Thanks so much, Karen Adams, Seattle

Hi Folks and Phyllis, the parish of Wiesbaum was it`s own with the towns of Mirbach and the mill near Wiesbaum, called Wiesbaumer Muehle. In 1905 the parish had 515 roman-catholic inhabitans, no other religion. >From these people 403 lived in Wiesbaum, where the parish church is with the name "St. Martinus Ep." In the town of Mirbach were 101 people and in the mill 10 peolpe. Parishes around are Berndorf, Esch, Glaadt, Hillesheim, Lissendorf, Miederehe and Uexheim. Before 1804 perhaps the towns belonged to an older parish in another town. These infos are in Trier and I do not have them at home. But Trier is only 12 miles from here. Wiesbaum is located in the high part of the Eifel lowlands. The area can be located at a web page I told you all some days ago, called the Eifel-webpage. The documents of the registry office (= "Standesamt") of this area are in Hillesheim (1798->1999) located in the house of "Verbandsgemeinde Hillesheim". And the parish documents are mostly at the central archice of the bishop place in Trier in the so-called "Bistumsarchiv Trier". Most of these copies are in Salt Lake City, too. Any questions ? sincerely Werner LICHTER from Gilzem, in the Eifel-lowlands in Germany, too ############################################################# Phyllis schrieb: > > Hi Folks: > Need some help if at all possible. My ggreatparents lived in WIESBAUM county of Daun in the Eifel vulcanic lowlands in the mid 1880's before emigrating to the the U.S in 1881. I am trying to find the Catholic Parish that they belonged to. > > Now the problem: Where would the records for the Catholic Churches in that vicinity be: WIESBAUM or TRIER? > > If it is TRIER, there are eight Catholic Churches that have had their records microfilmed, which means eight rolls of film. Would like to know if there is someone out there who might know which Catholic Churches existed in the area > described above. Would like to narrow it down to three or four. > > Thanks, > Phyllis > > my e-mail address is b.b@cyberback.com > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Hi Folks: Need some help if at all possible. My ggreatparents lived in WIESBAUM county of Daun in the Eifel vulcanic lowlands in the mid 1880's before emigrating to the the U.S in 1881. I am trying to find the Catholic Parish that they belonged to. Now the problem: Where would the records for the Catholic Churches in that vicinity be: WIESBAUM or TRIER? If it is TRIER, there are eight Catholic Churches that have had their records microfilmed, which means eight rolls of film. Would like to know if there is someone out there who might know which Catholic Churches existed in the area described above. Would like to narrow it down to three or four. Thanks, Phyllis my e-mail address is b.b@cyberback.com

I am looking for resources/books on the Eifel Club of Chicago or information on the history of Germans in Chicago. Thanks. Julia Herres Gibson Portland, OR