I do believe Kurt meant the blue URL above his statement was the Lutheran site. Joan -- Joan Schneider Born, (Rootsweb Sponsor), researching: BENESCH, BORN, BRAND, CHRISTEN, DROMMERS, GROSJEAN, HAMMES, HENGES, HERRMANN. (HEERMANN), HUNA, HUPERTZ, KNOTT, LAMBY, LENG, LIEBL, MURGES, ROSS, (ROHS), SCHNEIDER, SCHNOBRICH, TURBES, YOUNG

It would help to READ the message prior to making judgements upon it. Keith WAS NOT referring to Trier-Roots. He provided a URL (http://www.aal.org/LutheransOnline/Gene_Ex/) for the web site to which he was referring. George -----Original Message----- From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam@wasatch.com> To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Incorrect Description of TRIER-ROOTS >Keith is wrong. It is NOT limited to specific religion. > >W. David Samuelsen, listowner. > >"Timothy J. Barron" wrote: >> >> Keith: I am not certain that I understand your reply about this list, >> TRIER-ROOTS, dealing "specifically with Lutheran genealogy" based on the >> description for the list. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/europe/index.html#prussia >> >> "TRIER-ROOTS-L -- A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest >> in Luxembourg, the Saarland, the Rheinland, Westfalen (Westphalia), and >> the Pfalz (used to be between Rheinland and Baden, belonged to Bavaria >> but is now part of Rheinpfalz)." >> >> If your description about the list is correct, the List Owner needs to >> update/change the description of TRIER-ROOTS on RootsWeb. Please verify >> that the description above is incorrect. I was hoping to find a list as >> described above. >> >> Keith Kurtz wrote: >> >> > http://www.aal.org/LutheransOnline/Gene_Ex/ >> > >> > This is a mailing list dealing specifically with Lutheran Genealogy. >> > My Kurtz and Troutman lines both have Lutheran Histories and if you >> > have any German in you then you probably have a Lutheran ancestor >> > somewhere. >> > >> > Good Luck >> > >> > Keith Kurtz >> > >> > _________________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the >> > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> >> -- >> \\\|/// >> \\ ~ ~ // >> ( @ @ ) >> ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- >> Timothy J. Barron >> tjbarro@ibm.net >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1236/ >> --------------------Oooo.----------------------- >> .oooO ( ) >> ( ) ) / >> \ ( (_/ >> \_) >> >> ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Sister or Brother >> Can you spare $10 for Rootsweb? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? >send your message to Trier-L-request@rootsweb.com >subject line: unsubscribe >

Keith is wrong. It is NOT limited to specific religion. W. David Samuelsen, listowner. "Timothy J. Barron" wrote: > > Keith: I am not certain that I understand your reply about this list, > TRIER-ROOTS, dealing "specifically with Lutheran genealogy" based on the > description for the list. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/europe/index.html#prussia > > "TRIER-ROOTS-L -- A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest > in Luxembourg, the Saarland, the Rheinland, Westfalen (Westphalia), and > the Pfalz (used to be between Rheinland and Baden, belonged to Bavaria > but is now part of Rheinpfalz)." > > If your description about the list is correct, the List Owner needs to > update/change the description of TRIER-ROOTS on RootsWeb. Please verify > that the description above is incorrect. I was hoping to find a list as > described above. > > Keith Kurtz wrote: > > > http://www.aal.org/LutheransOnline/Gene_Ex/ > > > > This is a mailing list dealing specifically with Lutheran Genealogy. > > My Kurtz and Troutman lines both have Lutheran Histories and if you > > have any German in you then you probably have a Lutheran ancestor > > somewhere. > > > > Good Luck > > > > Keith Kurtz > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > -- > \\\|/// > \\ ~ ~ // > ( @ @ ) > ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- > Timothy J. Barron > tjbarro@ibm.net > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1236/ > --------------------Oooo.----------------------- > .oooO ( ) > ( ) ) / > \ ( (_/ > \_) > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Sister or Brother > Can you spare $10 for Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

http://www.aal.org/LutheransOnline/Gene_Ex/ This is a mailing list dealing specifically with Lutheran Genealogy. My Kurtz and Troutman lines both have Lutheran Histories and if you have any German in you then you probably have a Lutheran ancestor somewhere. Good Luck Keith Kurtz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Keith: I am not certain that I understand your reply about this list, TRIER-ROOTS, dealing "specifically with Lutheran genealogy" based on the description for the list. http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/europe/index.html#prussia "TRIER-ROOTS-L -- A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in Luxembourg, the Saarland, the Rheinland, Westfalen (Westphalia), and the Pfalz (used to be between Rheinland and Baden, belonged to Bavaria but is now part of Rheinpfalz)." If your description about the list is correct, the List Owner needs to update/change the description of TRIER-ROOTS on RootsWeb. Please verify that the description above is incorrect. I was hoping to find a list as described above. Keith Kurtz wrote: > http://www.aal.org/LutheransOnline/Gene_Ex/ > > This is a mailing list dealing specifically with Lutheran Genealogy. > My Kurtz and Troutman lines both have Lutheran Histories and if you > have any German in you then you probably have a Lutheran ancestor > somewhere. > > Good Luck > > Keith Kurtz > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html -- \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- Timothy J. Barron tjbarro@ibm.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1236/ --------------------Oooo.----------------------- .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_)

Keith, Thank you for sharing the address of the Lutheran Genealogy Message Boards. It is another good link for anyone on this list that is researching roots with a Lutheran background. Micki

I am a new member to the list and wanted to summarize the surnames that I am researching. My ancestors came from Westfalen (Estern, Stadtlohn). BOENNING BROEYELS EFFING KOCKERT MEYERING NIENHAUS PASCHERT RATHMAN ROETTGERS -- \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- Timothy J. Barron tjbarro@ibm.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1236/ --------------------Oooo.----------------------- .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_)

I don't think Keith was saying that this Tier-Roots-List is a Lutheran list. I think he is trying to say that the link that he gave is strictly of Lutheran decent. I believe he got list and link mixed up. Bev "W. David Samuelsen" wrote: > Keith is wrong. It is NOT limited to specific religion. > > W. David Samuelsen, listowner. > > "Timothy J. Barron" wrote: > > > > Keith: I am not certain that I understand your reply about this list, > > TRIER-ROOTS, dealing "specifically with Lutheran genealogy" based on the > > description for the list. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/europe/index.html#prussia > > > > "TRIER-ROOTS-L -- A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest > > in Luxembourg, the Saarland, the Rheinland, Westfalen (Westphalia), and > > the Pfalz (used to be between Rheinland and Baden, belonged to Bavaria > > but is now part of Rheinpfalz)." > > > > If your description about the list is correct, the List Owner needs to > > update/change the description of TRIER-ROOTS on RootsWeb. Please verify > > that the description above is incorrect. I was hoping to find a list as > > described above. > > > > Keith Kurtz wrote: > > > > > http://www.aal.org/LutheransOnline/Gene_Ex/ > > > > > > This is a mailing list dealing specifically with Lutheran Genealogy. > > > My Kurtz and Troutman lines both have Lutheran Histories and if you > > > have any German in you then you probably have a Lutheran ancestor > > > somewhere. > > > > > > Good Luck > > > > > > Keith Kurtz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > Support RootsWeb! Help provide FREE genealogical resources on the > > > Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > -- > > \\\|/// > > \\ ~ ~ // > > ( @ @ ) > > ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- > > Timothy J. Barron > > tjbarro@ibm.net > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1236/ > > --------------------Oooo.----------------------- > > .oooO ( ) > > ( ) ) / > > \ ( (_/ > > \_) > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Sister or Brother > > Can you spare $10 for Rootsweb? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Trier-L-request@rootsweb.com > subject line: unsubscribe

Dear list-readers, new at home: 1) Emmigrants and re-emmigrants from the country of Luxemburg 1876-1900. USA,Argentinia and other states all over the world. It contains only short lists with names of the head of the family or a single person with the date of emmigration. 6644 entries of emmigrants from the years only 1876-1900 (24 years). Perhaps important for people which are searching for family names. But also very important: 2) Gonner: Luxemburger Gazette, the history of Luxemburgers in the New World before 1918. A book in two volumnes with a register of the Luxemburg-Gazette, a newspaper in german language and printing, printed in Dubuque,IOWA 1872-1918 (names and towns). sincerely Werner in Germany (7 miles to Echternach, Luxemburg)

I have tried numerous times to have my name removed from the mailing list.Please do this for me. hhh@telepath.com

In a message dated 9/11/99 10:33:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << From: Keith Kurtz <kthq@yahoo.com> >> Hi Keith, In Annette Kunselman Burgert's book 18th Century Emigrants V II...she lists a Hans George Trautman, age 27 who came to America 1736 and he was from the Western Palitinate, specifically Lanbsborn. He was the son of Henrich Trautman of Lamsborn. There is more, perhaps you might check into this book. Helen Hewitt

Hello Keith and All! I would love any information on the same ship...same date. My 7th ggrandfather Johan Adam Bolch, his wife Anna Christina and my 6th ggrandfather who was 2 were on the same ship. I believe that his brother Andrea was also on board. The only clue I have as to where they may have come from is in my 2nd ggrandparent's Bible...which states Alsace Lorraine....Vosges Mountains. Any input would be much appreciated!!!! Especiall on the Neptune and where the passangers may have come from! Thankyou Theresa

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Does the Catholic church in the village of Ehlenz have a name? How might I learn more of the history of this village? Help much appreciated. Thanks.

From Pennsylvania German Pioneers [List 172C] At the Court House at Philadelphia, Tuesday, the 24th September 1751. Present: William Peters, Esquire The Foreigners whose names are underwriten, imported in the Ship Neptune, John Mason, Commander, from Rotterdam & last from Cowes, did this day take the usual Qualifications & subscribe them. By List 144. Whole Freights 300. Messrs. Shoemaker. Melchior Trautman Johann Petter Trautmann Johan Leonhart Trautman There is a DISCOUSTION on where these men came from and how they are related! There are two possible towns in Germany, any help narrowing this down would be appreciated. there are coppies of there signitures and other data at http://members.aol.com/troutman98/ if it would help anyone. Bayern, Germany or maybe Oldenwald German Keith _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

My cousin is leaving for Germany in one week and plans on searching for family records in the following towns: Dudenhofen, Pfalz Herxheim, Landau Frankfurt Meisenheim, Baden Diedesfeld, Pfalz Germersheim, Pfalz Does anyone know where the (1) Catholic and (2) Civil records would be found for each of these towns? I would GREATLY APPRECIATE any help with locations and/or addresses. Thank you in advance for your help. Please respond to vkhoff@aol.com. Thanks, Val

----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Lecuit <marc.lecuit@perceval.lu> To: <rw85036@navix.net> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Elvange > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert White <rw85036@navix.net> > To: <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 4:27 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Elvange > > > > I am doing research on my gggrandfather Peter White who came from > > Elvange, Belgium in the 1830-40's. I understand that Elvange lies in > > the Grand Duchy now. It is my understanding from family legend that the > > name White is the translation of his European name which I am guessing > > is Weis. In some family records his name is given as Peter (Vice) > > White. Vice probably being the pronunciation of Weis. He was born in > > 1832, and worked for a village shoemaker before running away from home > > due to abuse from his stepfather, so the story goes. It was supposed > > that Elvange was a port town so we were unable to find it until learning > > that Luxembourg was part of Belgium in the 1830s. I need direction as > > to how to pinpoint where Peter was from such as addresses for local > > historian, or local parish priest that might have birth records. Now > > that I have a town and date of birth, the biggest jump is the Belgian > > surname. > > Many thanks, Robert White > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > > send your message to Trier-L-request@rootsweb.com > > subject line: unsubscribe > > > > > > There are two villages called Elvange in Luxembourg, one depending of the > town of Beckerich and one depending of the town of Burmerange, near > Mondorf-les-Bains. > > Luxembourg was indeed under belgian administration at that time. > > Both villages are very small. > > It should be easy to find your ancestor's birth registration in the "Etat > civil" registers, as all those registers between 1800 and approx. 1890 have > been microfilmed and are available through the LDS libraries. > > The same holds true for the church records before 1800 - the microfilms > should be available. > > I do not know of any local historian or local society, but maybe you should > try to call the local city hall: > > Elvange (Town of Beckerich) : 62 14 81 > Elvange (Town of Burmerange) : 66 41 08 > > Marc Lecuit > Luxembourg > > >

Hi, I have been trying to verify the birthdate and birthplace of my ancestor, Nicholas LANG, b. 13 March 1825 in Luxembourg. He migrated to the US/Canada and was married by 1853 to Sarah Kaiser of PA. They lived in Ontario in the 1860s until their final move to Kittson Co., MN in 1880. Nicholas LANG claimed his birthplace as Alsace-Lorraine, France instead of Luxembourg. Please pardon my ignorance, but did Germany have possession of this region in 1825? How do I go about finding his birthplace and parents? Any information would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Angela Angelucas@aol.com

Dear Dr Waxweiler, Thank you for setting me straight, I never was sure of the relationship of Germany to Prussia. We are usually taught here that Prussia became Germany around 1900. Keith >Dr. Richard Waxweiler >Berlin, Deutschland/Germany >dr.richard@waxweiler.de >www.waxweiler.de > >Hello Keith, > >> Keith Kurtz wrote: >> > >> > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, "Michael Palmer" <mpalmer@netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> > Der Ackerer Johann Loesch, 43 Jahre, mit seiner Frau Katharina Fuchs, >> > > >> > I can not find the word Ackerer. Could Ackerer be the land owner or >> > perhaps a farm laborer and not a farmer? > >An Ackerer is a farmer. > >> > Who gave the permission to emigrate, The German Government, or was it >> > permission from the US government to enter the US? > >The permission was granted by the German authorities. You can't >compare Germany >and Prussia. Germany was the German Empire (Deutsches Reich) and Prussia was a >part of it, was one German state among others. After the Vienna >congress in 1815 >Prussia became the predominant state of Germany and more and more in >opposition >against the German Kaiser in Vienna, which was then the German capital town. >There was even a brother-war in 1867, when Prussia overcame Austria. >Since then >(with the exception of 1938-1945) Austria does not belong to Germany after >beeing over 1000 years a part of it. > >So when W. David Samuelsen says > the permission was from Prussian >government - >not German government as >it didn't exist then in 1846.> is wrong. > >Most people emigrated to the US because of the promise of finding >ones happiness >and not because they did not want to become a soldier. > >Greetings from Germany >Richard > > > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? >send your message to Trier-L-request@rootsweb.com >subject line: unsubscribe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Dr. Richard Waxweiler Berlin, Deutschland/Germany dr.richard@waxweiler.de www.waxweiler.de Hello Keith, > Keith Kurtz wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, "Michael Palmer" <mpalmer@netcom.com> wrote: > > > > Der Ackerer Johann Loesch, 43 Jahre, mit seiner Frau Katharina Fuchs, > > > > > I can not find the word Ackerer. Could Ackerer be the land owner or > > perhaps a farm laborer and not a farmer? An Ackerer is a farmer. > > Who gave the permission to emigrate, The German Government, or was it > > permission from the US government to enter the US? The permission was granted by the German authorities. You can't compare Germany and Prussia. Germany was the German Empire (Deutsches Reich) and Prussia was a part of it, was one German state among others. After the Vienna congress in 1815 Prussia became the predominant state of Germany and more and more in opposition against the German Kaiser in Vienna, which was then the German capital town. There was even a brother-war in 1867, when Prussia overcame Austria. Since then (with the exception of 1938-1945) Austria does not belong to Germany after beeing over 1000 years a part of it. So when W. David Samuelsen says > the permission was from Prussian government - not German government as it didn't exist then in 1846.> is wrong. Most people emigrated to the US because of the promise of finding ones happiness and not because they did not want to become a soldier. Greetings from Germany Richard