>Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:46:46 -0500 >From: Penny Bonnar <pbonnar@win.bright.net> >To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] German Script >.. >There are others. A book I have found very helpful is called If I Can, You >Can Decipher Germanic Records by Edna Bentz. You can order directly from >Edna. Her address is 13139 Old West Ave., San Diego, CA 92129. Her phone is >619-484-1708. I think that total cost, including shipping, is $20. Try her webpage at http://pages.prodigy.net/jdbentz/INDEX.HTM#top. You can email her from there (hit Questions). Fred H. Held mailto:fhheld@freewwweb.com

--part1_b541153e.2524cd0a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although this is not info specific to our area, I thought it was a piece of good general information that might help someone in their search. Sansu --part1_b541153e.2524cd0a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <GEN-NEWBIE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:31:34 2000 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v61.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:31:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08536; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Akramar53@aol.com Message-ID: <701a9d76.2524855e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:20:30 EDT Subject: Alien Registration and Declaration of Holdings Old-To: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <b8eiOC.A.-EC.Huy83@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/89702 X-Loop: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-NEWBIE-L-request@rootsweb.com Good Morning, listees In my search for immigrant ancestors, I have come across an interesting document on many of them. I have not seen these mentioned for other states, but in Minnesota, any immigrants who were not naturalized by Feb., 1918, had to complete an Alien Registration and Declaration of Holdings form. This form is interesting in that it had 35 questions to be completed by the registrant, including the basic name, address, birthdate/place. It was also recorded of the place and ship of arrival, occupation and whether or not the person wrote or spoke English. One question required names and ages of any living children, whether there were any relatives with any foreign army warring with the US and its' allies, whether the individual filed for the WWI draft, whether the first papers were filed or not and if not, why. The individual also was requested to list any property owned by them outside of the state, and then list anything of monetary value they presently owned. I have found this form to be helpful in gaining some insight into some of my ancestors. Does anyone know whether these were filed in other states? The forms were processed under the Commission of Public Safety and were to be forwarded to the State Auditor, at least in Minnesota. I found mine at the MN Historical Society, indexed by county. Just curious, as this would be a nice tidbit to pass onto others searching immigrant ancestors. Anna in MN ==== GEN-NEWBIE Mailing List ==== Remember the newbie list has a web page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~newbie Click on Guidelines for some free beginning genealogy lessons, graciously furnished by Jean Legried. --part1_b541153e.2524cd0a_boundary--

Here's a link to one of the alphabets online: http://www.mun.ca/rels/morav/pics/tutor/mscript2.html There are others. A book I have found very helpful is called If I Can, You Can Decipher Germanic Records by Edna Bentz. You can order directly from Edna. Her address is 13139 Old West Ave., San Diego, CA 92129. Her phone is 619-484-1708. I think that total cost, including shipping, is $20. Also, the Max Kade Institute for Germanic Studies has available for download the Sutterlin font. Sometimes it helps to be able to type a word or surname using this typeface. http://www.wisc.edu/mki/sutterl.html This is another page you might find useful: http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/fonts.htm

In a message dated 9/28/99 6:31:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Janfrancis@aol.com writes: > just viewed a LDS film from the Neidenbach Catholic Church (St. Peter's I > believe) and have a question. Does anyone know a good book for looking up > the Latin words in the information? Also, one look-through is not enough. > If anyone has relatives from the small town of Neidenbach, Rhineland, > Germany > from1767 to 1890 I will offer to do a look-up. You must give me the full > name, dates parents where possible. It is difficult to read so please do > not > send me a request unless you know for sure your relatives are from > Neidenbach. I will try my best to find them next time I look ( sometime the > > week of Oct. 2nd). Thanks. Jan > The LDS Church has a very nice pamphlet on the key Latin words found in genealogy records for about 50 cents in Family History Centers. John Wagoner

You can get a reproduction of an 1880's primer from the following address: Indiana German heritage Society, Inc. 401 East Michigan Street Indianapolis, IN 46204 They have a website with price, etc. It is only about $6. I don't know about an on line source. John Wagoner

http://www.genealogy.net/gene/misc/scripts.html George -----Original Message----- From: Fszzzz@aol.com <Fszzzz@aol.com> To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest V99 #302 > > >Tim > >If you find this info please let me know or post it to the list. >Thanks >Frank > > In a message dated 9/28/99 1:36:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Old German script >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> Does anyone have a chart of letters for early nineteenth century German >> script? I am attempting to translate old German birth records from >> Luxembourg (Meysembourg) and I am looking for something that is available >on- >> line or a file that can be e-mailed. >> >> Tim Schira (SCHIERA, GIRA) >> > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Sister or Brother >Can you spare $10 for Rootsweb? >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Hello my friends, I just viewed a LDS film from the Neidenbach Catholic Church (St. Peter's I believe) and have a question. Does anyone know a good book for looking up the Latin words in the information? Also, one look-through is not enough. If anyone has relatives from the small town of Neidenbach, Rhineland, Germany from1767 to 1890 I will offer to do a look-up. You must give me the full name, dates parents where possible. It is difficult to read so please do not send me a request unless you know for sure your relatives are from Neidenbach. I will try my best to find them next time I look ( sometime the week of Oct. 2nd). Thanks. Jan

Hello Jim, reproductions of old maps are available in Germany at the "Landesvermessungsämter". For example : Kartenaufnahme der Rheinlande durch Tranchot (1801-1814) und v. Müffling (1814-1828) (1:25.000) Französische Karte der Rheinlande (1816-1840) (1:100.000) Preußische Generalstabskarte (1816-1847) (1:86.400) Preußische Kartenaufnahme (1836-1850) (1:25.000) Karte von Rheinland und Westfalen (1837-1855) (1:80.000) Preußische Kartenaufnahme (1891-1912) (1:25.000) You have to look, in which "Bundesland" (Rheinland-Pfalz or Nordrhein-Westfalen) you town is today. Then the map can be ordered by the appropiate "Landesvermessungsamt". The Landesvermessungsamt Rheinland-Pfalz is "online" : http://www.lverma.rlp.de/hiskart.htm and the Landesvermessungsamt Nordrhein-Westfalen too : http://www.lverma.nrw.de/produkte.v2/purPRODUKTE.htm Good luck Uwe Tombtome@aol.com schrieb: > > Does anyone know of a map of the Eifel area in the 18th or 19th Century, > preferably in color, suitable for framing? Maybe a copy hung over our > computers would bring good luck. > > Jim > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Trier-L-request@rootsweb.com > subject line: unsubscribe

>It appears that this link is already out of date and un findable by the army >of search engines that I employ. > >jhn >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Kurtz <kthq@yahoo.com> >To: KYNELSON-L@rootsweb.com <KYNELSON-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:59 PM >Subject: [KYNELSON-L] http://genweb.net/~gen-cds/gen.html > >>http://www.seidata.com/~lhoffman/gen.html sorry this sight moved since I sent the Link there is a forwarding link there though http://genweb.net/~gen-cds/gen.html > > >>This is a very good collection of genealogical links that covers many >>areas. Each link has a short description. >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Tim If you find this info please let me know or post it to the list. Thanks Frank In a message dated 9/28/99 1:36:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Old German script > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Does anyone have a chart of letters for early nineteenth century German > script? I am attempting to translate old German birth records from > Luxembourg (Meysembourg) and I am looking for something that is available on- > line or a file that can be e-mailed. > > Tim Schira (SCHIERA, GIRA) >

Is anyone familiar with the following surnames? I am at a dead end as far as documenting any of the information I have. BLANKENMEISTER, Johann Peter b. March 6, 1822 ELSNER, Frank Reinhardt b. Jan. 8, 1850 HEMES, Margaretha b. circa 1726 FROCAUF, Johann Friederich b. 1726 (Trier) FROCAUF, John Heinrich Aloys b. 1752 (Zettsinger, Germany) FROCAUF, Peter b. 1657 d. 1760 KRUM, Julia b. 1793/94 (Zweibrucken, Pfalz) NEUSCHE, Albert b. circa 1750 THEES, Maria b. circa 1660 WETTENDORF, Bernard b. 1786 d. 1850 (Trier) Thank you in advance. Lori Johnson

>Since many of our relatives moved to Illinois. >How to get information from an old Illinois newspaper... > >http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/#NEWSPAPERS [and other spots on the same web >site] > >Newspapers >The Library's 4,900 newspaper titles are preserved on nearly 73,000 >microfilm reels. As the mandated newspaper repository in Illinois, the >Library holds titles from all 102 counties. Many of the newspapers date >from the early and mid-nineteenth century, and more than 300 newspapers are >currently received through subscription. >The Library's newspaper collection has been cataloged through the >nationwide program funded by the National Endowment for the Humanities. >Researchers may borrow newspapers on microfilm through interlibrary loan. >Also see our Newspaper Search Policy. > >Interlibrary Loan >Newspaper microfilm and some books may be borrowed on interlibrary loan. >Requests may be made on OCLC or ALA loan request forms. The Library is a >member of ILLINET and the Rolling Prairie Library System; holdings >information is available through Rolling Prairie Library System online >catalog, ILLINET Online, and on OCLC. Photographs, films, microfiche, >manuscripts, and Lincoln materials are not available for loan. > >NEWSPAPER SEARCH POLICY > >Since our newspapers are not indexed, all search requests must include >specific information for a search to be performed. Those specifics include >the full name(s), exact date (day, month, and year), and exact location >(city and county) of the occurrence. If such information is unavailable and >you live in the continental United States, you may borrow newspaper >microfilm on interlibrary loan through your local library to do your own >research. Each search consists of looking for articles on one occurrence >(obituary notice, birth announcement, marriage announcement, etc.) for one >person. > >Each letter must be accompanied by a self addressed, stamped, business >sized envelope. Checks and money orders should be made payable to the >Illinois State Historical Library. A response will be sent for successful >and unsuccessful searches. Do not send a second letter until you have >received a response to your first. > >Illinois Residents: A non refundable copy fee of $1.00 must accompany each >letter. Each letter must be limited to no more than two (2) search requests. > >Non Illinois Residents: A non refundable fee of $10.00 per search must >accompany each search request. Each letter is limited to no more than four >(4) search requests. > > >Cheryl Rothwell >clrothwell@mindspring.com > > >==== ILMARION Mailing List ==== >To post a message so everyone on ILMARION-L or ILMARION-D receives >it, send the message to: > ILMARION-L@rootsweb.com >It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMARION-L or ILMARION-D. > > >--part1_fb48129f.25217811_boundary-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

http://www.seidata.com/~lhoffman/gen.html This is a very good collection of genealogical links that covers many areas. Each link has a short description. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Does anyone have a chart of letters for early nineteenth century German script? I am attempting to translate old German birth records from Luxembourg (Meysembourg) and I am looking for something that is available on-line or a file that can be e-mailed. Tim Schira (SCHIERA, GIRA)

I recently completed a brief course on old German writing. The script is called Deutsche Fraktur. There is a great primer available from the Indiana German Society in Indianapolis which I bought for about $6. I don't have the address with me, but you might try to find their web page which has ordering instructions. Also, you might be able to get a manual on the writing from your local LDS Church Family History Center. I have one of those also. John Wagoner

Claude I need your address again. The address I received from you doesn't work. You wanted Waldbillig info. If you could send me some of your info maybe I wouldn't have to type so much. My typing abilities are very slow. Lydia walsche@capital.net

Does anyone know of a map of the Eifel area in the 18th or 19th Century, preferably in color, suitable for framing? Maybe a copy hung over our computers would bring good luck. Jim

I'm looking to purchase this book: KATHOLISCHES HEIRATSREGISTER Hochwald und Westl.Hunsrück von Beginn der Kirchenbucher bis 1798, compiled by Hans-Peter Bungert probably in 1986. I am not sure of the publisher. Can someone on the list tell me if this book is still available for purchase and where I might get it? Thanks in advance, Joanne Joanne A. Smith Mello jomello@innercite.com

TRIER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Map of Germany 1850-1860 > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:22:56 -0700 > From: Jim/Linda Mans <mans3@worldaccessnet.com> > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > I am new to the TRIER list and I am looking for some advice or > recommendation for a map of Germany around the 1850-1860 time frame. > The towns that I would like to find are Fliessem, Feusdorf and Dockdorf. > I would also like to find a good book regarding German research. Thank > you for any suggestions. Linda Linda, There is one book that I have that has lots of information regarding German research. It is: German Genealogical Research by George R. Schweitzer, Ph D, Sc D ISBN 0-913857-15-7 There are 6 chapters. Chapter 1. German Bckground - talks about German history and as a recommended reading list. Chapter 2. Germans to America - talks about German immigrants and their migrations. Chapter 3. Bridging the Atlantic - talks about family sources, different indexes (historis, immigrations, periodicals etc.) Chapter 4. Types of GErman Records - talks about German governmental archives, church arhives, US archives etc. Chapter 5. German Record Repositories - more different archives Chapter 6. The German Language - German wrods, print and script, German/Latin terminology, dates & times, & names. Hope this helps. regards, Diane -- Diane "Liening" Nelson Santa Barbara, Ca. mail to:dianenelson@mindspring.com

Hello- This is my first post to the group as I just joined last week. Rumor in our family is that we are connected to the Hugo Junkers of Junker Aircraft. However, I haven't been able to substantiate this. So, my first request is that if there is anyone who has information on Hugo's siblings, I would really appreciate it. I may find a connection if I had information on his siblings. My second request is this: I know that my ancestors came to the United States in ~1880. A family obituary lists them arriving when the son Henry Albert Junker was 11 and he was born December of 1869. The family that arrived in the US were Henry and Mary Junker. I know that the family arrived and lived in Mt. Angel, Oregon and Oregon City. Oregon for several years. Mary and Henry are buried in Mt. Angel, Oregon. Their son, Henry moved on to the Harvey County, Kansas area and settled there at some point. The information I received is that Henry and Mary moved from Aefel, Germany. I understand through other research that this is the area now called Eifel. I know that Eifel is a region with tons of small towns and villages. I have no idea what village the family is from. Henry was born 1833 and died April 1 1907. Mary was born 2-24-1839? and death date of 11-22-1909. I have photographs of the tombstones but I'm unable to read the dates well so these are approximations. I was told that the family name started as Von Junker. Henry and Mary's tombstones list it as Junker and by the time Henry passed, their son, the name had been changed to Yunker. Any information or assistance on this family would be greatly appreciated! Christine Yunker-Safieddine csafieddine@xenogen.com