Hello friends, on Saturday, June 22th there will be in the parish of Baustert near Bitburg (direction to Neuerburg) a parish festival at 7 p.m. I am invited to come there. They asced me to tell them in a report something about the emigration of this parish to USA ore somewhere else. The towns of this parish are Baustert, Berghausen, Brimingen, Feilsdorf, Hisel, Huetterscheid, Muelbach, Tempelhof and Neumuehle. Here´s my problem: My collection of emigrants from this parish is very small. I know about only one member from this list, Jim Ross. He has Wagner ancestors from Muelbach that went to Arcansas/USA, I hope this is correct Jim. Are there some other connections that will be of interst to tell the people of Baustert parish, perhaps emigrants, genealogical data. I would be glad to get some further information about emigrants from the parish of Baustert. back in the list with best wihes Werner LICHTER

Hi, Where I can read about my ancestor Valentin Buch who participate in the waterloo combat, where was wounded, in 1815. He b and d in Brunswick, germany, received iron cross medal of Frederik Whilhelm of Prussia. Leni Buch Sao Paulo Brazil

----- Original Message ----- From: Myrtle & John Feldenzer Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:37 PM To: ... valentine53179 Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Waterloo, surname:BUCH Take a look here for a start....... http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/IList Type in "Battle+Waterloo". John > > Hi, > Where I can read about my ancestor Valentin Buch who participate in the waterloo combat, where was wounded, in 1815. > He b and d in Brunswick, germany, received iron cross medal of Frederik Whilhelm of Prussia. > Leni Buch > Sao Paulo > Brazil --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

----- Original Message ----- From: LENI BUCH Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 6:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Waterloo Hi, Where I can read about my ancestor Valentin Buch who participate in the waterloo combat, where was wounded, in 1815. He b and d in Brunswick, germany, received iron cross medal of Frederik Whilhelm of Prussia. Leni Buch Sao Paulo Brazil ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I am searching for any relatives of the following family from Osburg; Descendants of Matthias Steinbach 1 Matthias Steinbach b: November 04, 1847 in Osburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany d: September 14, 1931 .. +Anna Feller b: June 11, 1852 in Osburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany m: January 22, 1874 in Osburg, Rhineland, Germany d: January 22, 1884 in Osburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Father: Johannes Feller Mother: Catharina Michels ......... 2 Johannes Steinbach b: November 18, 1874 in Osburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany d: Bef. 1984 ............. +Anna Maria Schmitt b: February 21, 1874 in Dagstuhl, Germany m: Bef. 1899 in Germany d: Bef. 1984 .................... 3 Anna Maria Steinbach b: May 02, 1899 in Altenwald, Germany .................... 3 Ludwig Steinbach b: December 16, 1901 in Altenwald, Germany .................... 3 Klara Steinbach b: December 16, 1908 in Altenwald, Germany ........................ +Gustav Adolf Georg Dony b: October 14, 1897 in Elversberg, Germany m: Bef. 1944 in Germany ............................... 4 Bruno Dony b: January 28, 1944 in Dudweiler, Germany ......... 2 Anna Steinbach b: May 10, 1876 in Osburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany d: Bef. 1986 ............. +Matthias Scherf m: Aft. 1896 ......... 2 Anna Maria Steinbach b: March 30, 1878 d: Bef. 1988 ............. +Matthias Flesch m: Aft. 1896 ......... 2 Nikolaus Steinbach b: April 02, 1880 in Osburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany d: October 20, 1916 in Germany? ............. +Katharina Beck b: Bef. 1891 in Oberkirchen, POSSIBLE m: February 08, 1909 in Germany? d: Bef. 2001 in Germany? .................... 3 Johann Jakob Steinbach b: June 29, 1897 in Germany? d: July 14, 1967 in Germany? ........................ +Anna Steinbach b: April 17, 1896 in Germany? m: October 16, 1911 in Germany? d: May 27, 1948 in Germany? Father: Johann Steinbach Mother: Barbara Resch ............................... 4 Karola Katharina Steinbach b: September 11, 1920 in Germany? d: December 30, 1920 in Germany? ............................... 4 Anna Dorothea Steinbach b: February 06, 1926 in Germany? d: March 28, 1926 in Germany? .................... *2nd Wife of Johann Jakob Steinbach: ........................ +Maria Theis b: October 31, 1903 in Germany? m: December 22, 1949 in Germany? d: December 21, 1976 in Germany? Father: Johann Theis Mother: Susanna Wagner .................... 3 Katharina Steinbach b: February 17, 1902 .................... 3 Anna Steinbach b: Bet. 1902 - 1912 .................... 3 Veronika Steinbach b: October 23, 1912 ........................ +Julius Wagner m: Aft. 1930 ......... 2 Susanna Steinbach b: August 25, 1882 d: March 15, 1883

Pat Earlier I sent this to you directly, but I just got a failed delivery notice, so I am sending it to the list. Death records are good to look at. You never know what you will find. Have you also checked siblings, cousins, etc? Does your region have any biography books? Any court cases or probate records? The Proof of Heirship is a valuable document. I've checked siblings and some cousins, there are a LOt of them and I probably haven't seen them all as I don't know where all of them died. There are probate records, some guardianship records, no wills. There is a Goodspeed, but they lived in a tiny isolated German Catholic community and no one from there is in the book, I don't know if it was missed or no one wanted to participate. There will be a new book coming out this year from the Scott Co Historical Society, but I don't expect any thing new, as I have talked to any descendant I can find who has any interest or knowledge. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and someone will have found something since I talked to them. Land records? Yes, not help there either. When was the child in Germany born? Would he have had to register for the draft? I think he was probably too old, but maybe his son would have had to register for the WWI draft and his draft board card would probably ask where his parents were born? They were born in 1842 and 1845. As far as I can find did not participate in the Cival War and the eldest too old for WW1 and the youngest already dead. Marriage license for son born in Germany? No I haven't found where they were married. Not in the county where they first settled and not in the county where they died. The youger as far as I can find never married. Pat thanks, all good suggestions, keep them coming --I'm sure there is something I have missed somewhere. Kathy Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: glenn _kathy _rogers Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:39 PM To: PATRICIA MEYERS Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects--Att. Patricia I haven't found his obit. The old newpapers in this area were not well preserved. The area was probably Bav. at one time. I think from some other things I have learned that it is now Rheinland Pfalz area. (Of course I have been wrong a few times) : ) I have checked all the baptismal records I could find. I'm planning to get back to go over some death records I didn't know to look at before. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: PATRICIA MEYERS To: glenn _kathy _rogers Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects--Att. Patricia What about an obituary for the child that was born in Germany? I would think Bavaria would be where they were from, since that was mentioned on a census. Have you checked baptismal records for possible relatives? I don't know if you have to be naturalized to vote. I know that for some of my German relatives, on a voter's list, when asked when they were naturalized, it said they were naturalized by an Act of Congress. Never was able to find out what or why. If I find out anything about the earliest books on Germans to America I will let you know. Pat Meyers ----- Original Message ----- From: glenn _kathy _rogers Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects--Att. Patricia Patricia, Thanks so much, I'll try to answer each part of your reply. Have you tried a death record for the child who was born in Germany? Yes, all it says is Germany. Do any of the census records indicate that any family member was naturalized? Where did they settle? One census record says he was eligable to vote, so that should mean he was naturalized, but that could be an error. They were in Stark Co OH. first until 1852/53 then moved to Scott Co Mo. shich is where I live (again). I grew up here. So the church and courthouse records are handy. Part of the census records give Germany as POB and some Bavaria. Did you try the books Germans to America? I don't know what years these volumes cover but someone on the list might be able to do a lookup for you if your local library doesn't have these books. If there is a vol. for those yrs. I haven't seen it. Let me know if any of these suggestions are helpful...and let me know if I can suggest anything further if you have already checked these things before. Did you try geneanet.com for your family name? I found a relative there. It gives you some indication of people tracing the same surname. Yes there is one other person with the info, but she got it from me. (smile) There is also a German version but I never understood it...it's in German but someone found the name of a person for me who is researching the same family and I have written him and gotten five pages of information! I haven't tried this--Iwill. All good ideas--thanks. So good luck and let me know if I can help... Pat Meyers DeKalb, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: glenn _kathy _rogers Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects Thanks to Ernst and Anne The information was very helpful. I haven't been able to pinpoint the town of origin for my MENZ ancestors. But another helpful person on this list or Pfalz was able to help me from a couple phrases I had been taught. He had said it was a dialect that was spoken along the Mosell R. but didn't give it a name. My ggrandfather had told his children and grandchildren stories of living very near a river (they couldn't recall which river) and of walking to Luxembourg. I know family stories are often unreliable but this one seems to be checking out. The phone books of the area have too many Menzs to try that route unless I can't get more information another way. I have been unable to find naturalization or ships records for them. Catholic church death and marriage records don't place of birth. They would have immigrated 1846-48, there was a son born in Ger. in 1845 and he remarried in Ohio 11 Jan 1848, after his 1st wife died on board ship ( her death is also family lore). Born in Ger. were: Martin MENZ b. 9 Jan 1817 Taddeus MENZ b. 10 Apr 1842 Linus MENZ b. 23 Feb 1845 They were Catholic. Any help or suggestion about what else to try will be appreciated. And if someone else would like to try to determine which dialect exactly it was let me know. I have to try to type it phoneticly but it seems to work before. Sorry this got so long. Thanks Kathy R. ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? 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I apologize to all on this wonderful list. I normally do not respond to this sort of "stuff" but this time I cannot resist. IF there was No advertising on the internet (I dislike it as much as anyone-- and 99.9 % of the time I delete it) BUT if there is no advertising I shudder to think what the price of AOL and other servers would be. Advertising on the internet is like the ads on Television, radio and newspapers ... it pays the bills. Thanks for listening ... I will step down from the soap box. Jeannie G PS I am not in the advertising business.

Sorry to do this to the list, but as far as clutter the "advertising for MSN or Yahoo on the bottom of many of your e-mails is "clutter" to me. Guess everyone has an opinion and they are like a_ _ _ _ _ _ _ everyone has one. Guess I am tired I usually don't respond to these kinds of complaints but had to get me 2 cents worth in

also kieffer/kiefer in Manitowoc county Wisconsin, in a town called Centerville which is now Cleveland. St. Wendel Catholic CHurch is here. Their records are on the Manitowoc site..... ----- Original Message ----- From: edmonda Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 6:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] freese/kieffer Hello, Regarding your Kieffer search: Take a look at the Jo Daviess Genweb site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljodavi/index.html The names of Kieffer and Freese are there, especially in Menominee Township just over the border from Wisconsin. There was a lot of migration between Jo Daviess and Iowa Townships because of the mines. Ann ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hello, Regarding your Kieffer search: Take a look at the Jo Daviess Genweb site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljodavi/index.html The names of Kieffer and Freese are there, especially in Menominee Township just over the border from Wisconsin. There was a lot of migration between Jo Daviess and Iowa Townships because of the mines. Ann

I suspect that you will see a bit of the clutter at the end of this email.... I have no control of it.... It is placed there after the mail leaves my mail box and goes through my msn mail handler. I suspect the same is true of the others that you cite.... Do you think for one minute that we would want to have advertising material on our emails..... or that I would actually put take the time to type it in my signature area.... I happen to dislike it attached to my emails as much as you and others hate to see it.... valentine ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 6:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] clutter Sorry to do this to the list, but as far as clutter the "advertising for MSN or Yahoo on the bottom of many of your e-mails is "clutter" to me. Guess everyone has an opinion and they are like a_ _ _ _ _ _ _ everyone has one. Guess I am tired I usually don't respond to these kinds of complaints but had to get me 2 cents worth in ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Patricia, Thanks so much, I'll try to answer each part of your reply. Have you tried a death record for the child who was born in Germany? Yes, all it says is Germany. Do any of the census records indicate that any family member was naturalized? Where did they settle? One census record says he was eligable to vote, so that should mean he was naturalized, but that could be an error. They were in Stark Co OH. first until 1852/53 then moved to Scott Co Mo. shich is where I live (again). I grew up here. So the church and courthouse records are handy. Part of the census records give Germany as POB and some Bavaria. Did you try the books Germans to America? I don't know what years these volumes cover but someone on the list might be able to do a lookup for you if your local library doesn't have these books. If there is a vol. for those yrs. I haven't seen it. Let me know if any of these suggestions are helpful...and let me know if I can suggest anything further if you have already checked these things before. Did you try geneanet.com for your family name? I found a relative there. It gives you some indication of people tracing the same surname. Yes there is one other person with the info, but she got it from me. (smile) There is also a German version but I never understood it...it's in German but someone found the name of a person for me who is researching the same family and I have written him and gotten five pages of information! I haven't tried this--Iwill. All good ideas--thanks. So good luck and let me know if I can help... Pat Meyers DeKalb, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: glenn _kathy _rogers Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] dialects Thanks to Ernst and Anne The information was very helpful. I haven't been able to pinpoint the town of origin for my MENZ ancestors. But another helpful person on this list or Pfalz was able to help me from a couple phrases I had been taught. He had said it was a dialect that was spoken along the Mosell R. but didn't give it a name. My ggrandfather had told his children and grandchildren stories of living very near a river (they couldn't recall which river) and of walking to Luxembourg. I know family stories are often unreliable but this one seems to be checking out. The phone books of the area have too many Menzs to try that route unless I can't get more information another way. I have been unable to find naturalization or ships records for them. Catholic church death and marriage records don't place of birth. They would have immigrated 1846-48, there was a son born in Ger. in 1845 and he remarried in Ohio 11 Jan 1848, after his 1st wife died on board ship ( her death is also family lore). Born in Ger. were: Martin MENZ b. 9 Jan 1817 Taddeus MENZ b. 10 Apr 1842 Linus MENZ b. 23 Feb 1845 They were Catholic. Any help or suggestion about what else to try will be appreciated. And if someone else would like to try to determine which dialect exactly it was let me know. I have to try to type it phoneticly but it seems to work before. Sorry this got so long. Thanks Kathy R. ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Pete Thanks a lot, that might be very helpful as I am not a subscriber to Ancestry. Kathy Kathy, I'll look for you on Ancestry.com tonite. Let me know if you've already searched the subsribers section of Ancestry. Pete Hanson

"Do any of the census records indicate that any family member was naturalized? Where did they settle? One census record says he was eligible to vote, so that should mean he was naturalized, but that could be an error." Comment: Some folks might be misled by the above. Citizenship was historically not a universal requirement for voting. So that fact that a male of a certain time and place voted does not imply that he was naturalized a citizen. Unfortunately my history doesn't go beyond this factoid.

I wish that three or four digits of the subject could be devoted to the prepend on the list..... can the list owner write to me.....about it. Please..... DO NOT CLUTTER THE LIST with conversation on this. valentine____________________ at [email protected] . . . . .Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I have been reading briefly [ i will get back to it shortly] the subject of naploeons soldiers and fighting in russia and if he had lists of his soldiers. I recently read the chronicles and the history of Dahlenburg. They had a historian and genealogist do some reasearch of the Lunenburg area. There is a book of that research out. I got the translation from google on their website and it was telling of the trek of the the soldiers passing through. Evidently, French stayed there for three years. I wonder what happens when they stay for three years. At one time soldiers kept their horses in their church.! Now, also I wanted to say that their is a famous battle at the Göhrde in 1813. One can find maps of this battle down to time frames by going to Göhrde at google. They have a local museum given over to this history of the battle. I wonder what names of soldiers can be found there? They have figurine replicas on display in battle. so I would say lots of information must have gone into this. Try it and see if you don't enjoy the read. Meyer, Seil, Sheule, Seile, Schroeder, Saucke, schroeder, Heinz, Heins,Luhmann, Behrens, Schultze, Schulz family from Dahlenburg area. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com http://www.email.com/?sr=signup Win the Ultimate Hawaiian Experience from Travelocity. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4018363;6991039;n?http://svc.travelocity.com/promos/winhawaii/

I have been reading briefly [ i will get back to it shortly] the subject of naploeons soldiers and fighting in russia and if he had lists. I recently read the chronicles and the history of Dahlenburg. they had a historian and genealogist do some reasearch of the Lunenburg area. there is a book of that research out. I got the translation from google on their website and it was telling of the trek of the the soldiers passing through. Evidently Frech stayed there for three years. I wonder what happens when they stay for three years. Now, also I wanted to say that their is a famous battle at the Göhrde in 1813. One can find maps of this battle down to time frames by going to Göhrde at google. They have a local museum given over to this history of the battle. I wonder what names of soldiers can be found there? They have figurine replicas on display in battle. so I would say lots of information must have gone into this. try it and see if you don't enjoy the read. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com http://www.email.com/?sr=signup Win the Ultimate Hawaiian Experience from Travelocity. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4018363;6991039;n?http://svc.travelocity.com/promos/winhawaii/

Did any of he Kieffer Family move to the Iowa County (Mineral Point) area of Wisconsin. My grandfather's Sister, Lena Reger, Married a Kieffer in Mineral Point. Her Father was also born in Luxembourg. Jack Freese Salem, S. C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Kieffer > I posted this to MN, IA, and B-W lists, but also applies to the Rheinland, > Trier, and Lux list too.. > > Peter KIEFFER (b:1826 Luxemburg, Wurtenburg, Germany....immigrated 1852) and > Elizabeth KALMAS (b: 1839 Wurtenberg, Germany) married on 15 April 1856 in > Iowa (Dubuque area). They had Henry, Elizabeth (b:1858 married Henry HANSON), > Mary (b:1861 married Mr. GEDELL), Evaline (b:1863), Carry (b:1863). They > moved to Lake Crystal, Blue Earth, MN and had Annie (b:1865), Michael > (b:1867), Minnie (b:1871), and Carrie/Cory (b:1873). > > Family notes had Peter and Elizabeth from Holland, 1880 MN Census had both > from Wurtenberg, and obits (thanks Barbara) had P from Luxemburg, Germany (I > think Lux, Germany is on the Lux/Germ border west of Rheinland) and E from > Germany with father Jacob KALMAS. > > Does anyone have any more information they can add? > > Pete Hanson > > ______________________________

In a message dated 3/22/02 11:05:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Did any of he Kieffer Family move to the Iowa County (Mineral Point) area of > Wisconsin. > > > > My grandfather's Sister, Lena Reger, Married a Kieffer in Mineral Point. > Her Father was also born in Luxembourg. > > Jack Freese > Salem, S. C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:18 PM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Kieffer > > > > I posted this to MN, IA, and B-W lists, but also applies to the > Rheinland, > > Trier, and Lux list too.. > > > > Peter KIEFFER (b:1826 Luxemburg, Wurtenburg, Germany....immigrated 1852) > and > > Elizabeth KALMAS (b: 1839 Wurtenberg, Germany) married on 15 April 1856 > in > > Iowa (Dubuque area). They had Henry, Elizabeth (b:1858 married Henry > HANSON), > > Mary (b:1861 married Mr. GEDELL), Evaline (b:1863), Carry (b:1863). They > > moved to Lake Crystal, Blue Earth, MN and had Annie (b:1865), Michael > > (b:1867), Minnie (b:1871), and Carrie/Cory (b:1873). > > > > Family notes had Peter and Elizabeth from Holland, 1880 MN Census had > both > > from Wurtenberg, and obits (thanks Barbara) had P from Luxemburg, Germany > (I > > think Lux, Germany is on the Lux/Germ border west of Rheinland) and E > from > > Germany with father Jacob KALMAS. > > > > Does anyone have any more information they can add? > > > > Pete Hanson > As far as I know, they were in Dubuque area and then moved to Lake Crystal, MN. I'm not really familiar with the area, so don't know how close Iowa County in WI is to all these other areas. Pete

Hello, Don`t know, if this of interest for you: I heard, that there is a memorial for the people of Trier, who fought under Napoleon. It is situated on Triers main cemetery. It was erected in 1842 by veterans. Regards, Ernst Mettlach ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Miller <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Napoleon's Army > Hello, > > Since we all have family that was probably involved in one way or another > with this, did the French government keep records of the men's names who > march to Moscow in 1812? Our part of the Rheinland/Rhineland was under > French control at this time and undoubtedly, many of Napoleon's soldiers > would have been drafted from this area as well as France. > > I am asking in behalf of my second cousin whose ancestor died after > Napoleon's retreat and she is looking to obtain some kind of proof of this. > > Would appreciate to hear any thoughts on this matter. > > Mit freundlich Grüßen, > > Joe Miller > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >