Hello all, Does anyone know about this use of "aa"? I am curious because my family name that I am researching, SAVENER, appears to be spelled "SAAVENER" in the church records of Besch, Saarland back in the 18th century. Amy Gray

Just to let the list know we expanded our website considerably. Have a peek at "Andy & Mary's Genealogy": http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wegner It is a broadbased family site, with 8000 people, detailed & linked genealogies, 200 photos, hundreds of pages of notes, family history summaries, references, useful links, GEDCOM files, and a dozen or so hand-drawn maps. The people are from: Kreis Borken Westfalen/Nordrhein Kreis Daun (Eifel region) Kreise Schivelbein/Belgard and Regenwalde, Pommern Kreis Wunsiedel Bavaria Gelderland Netherlands County Cornwall England County Clare Ireland Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska, etc USA Kolmar Posen West Prussia It is easily navigated and has its own search engine. Andy's surnames in Kries Borken Westfalen/Nordrhein (near Bocholt and also around Lüdinghausen) and just across the border from Bocholt in Gelderland are: Ardes, Butzen, Eiting, Döink, Kellerman, Leyen, Micke, Penterman, Van Melis, Vos, Welter, and MANY, MANY others. Follow the Eiting and Kellerman branch and their ancestors, and allied families. Mary's surnames in Kreis Daun in the Eifel Mountains region, mostly east of Kelberg are: Haensgen, Koenigs, Mauer, Nett, Stern, Thelen, and MANY others. Follow the Haensgen branch and their ancestors and allied families. cheers, Andy and Mary

Hi: I have been digging for clues for my Naumann family of Namborn. On familyserch.com I found this familienbuch for Oberthal: Familienbuch der Pfarrei Oberthal, 1803-1879 by Alois Hans or Hans Alois. Does anyone have access to this book? Or suggestions for me? Thanks, Johnna St Clair

Hi Everyone: It is more than a year since I received the birth record of Katherina Naumann from Namborn civil records. I still have gotten nowhere on finding the marriage of her parents or the birth of any of her siblings. I have been squinting through roll after roll of microfilm of all the surrounding villages' church records. I have written to Namborn (a year ago) and have had no reply. I have been searching through every Naumann on the Rudi Jung CD. No matches. I am beginning to wonder if I have read the names of her parents correctly. Do you suppose you might be willing to take a look at the scan of the record and give me your thinking as to what the names might be? I tried this a year ago, but thought I would give it another go. Here is the link to the document on my website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnnasgenealogypage/Birth%20Record%20of%20Katherina%20Naumann.htm Thanks in advance, Johnna St Clair

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18558B764F510E11737FED17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any one know if there is a Schomerich Family Book? --------------18558B764F510E11737FED17 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="annschuh.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Anna Marie Schuh Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="annschuh.vcf" begin:vcard n:Schuh;Anna Marie tel;home:773-631-1332 tel;work:312-362-8644 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] fn:Anna Marie Schuh end:vcard --------------18558B764F510E11737FED17--

Hi folks, Would someone with the "family book" for Biersdorf/Manderscheid, please do a lookup for me? I'm searching for the parents/family of Heinrich Meyers, born abt. 1740 in Biersdorf. He married twice. Once to a woman from the "house name" Schmit/Schmitt. After his first wife died, Heinrich married Margaretha Terres, from the HN, Terres, in about 1779. Heinrich died/buried March 29, 1801 in Manderscheid/ Waxweiler, Germany. This is the information I have concerning Heinrich Meyers 53- MEYERS, SCHMITT, TERRES Heinrich, Ackerer, Biersdorf, Manderscheid * vor 1760 Biersdorf, rk +/bgr 28/29.03.1801 Manderscheid/Waxweiler, Wwer aus Biersdorf / auch Schmit genannt vh 25.07.1779 Waxweiler TERRES Margaretha <101.2,49>, Ackerin, Manderscheid * Manderscheid ~ 21.04.1740 Waxweiler, rk P.: Margaretha Terres ; Michael Marzen,Scheidchen Thanks for your help! Ron, in Folsom, Louisiana.

Hallo List, Ich habe Ihnen diese Frage schon auf englisch gestellt. Ich versuche es diesmal auf deutsch. Ich möchte wissen, was ein "Meier" ist. Dieser Begriff erscheint im 17. Jahrhundert bezüglich meiner Ahnen. Ich verstehe den Meier als jemand, der in der mittelalterlichen Zeit vom Grundherrn eigesetzer Gutesverwalter war. Was waren seine Pflichten? Ich vermute, er führte stellvertretend für den Herrn den Grundgerichtstag (und wahrscheinlich auch den Mittelgerichtstag, der ein Volksgericht mit Schöffen entsprach). Einige Ahnen erscheinen als "Meier" und "Schöffe". Wenn jemand der Meier zu einem Dorf ist (z.B., "Meier zu Weiten" und "Trierschmeyer im Saargau zu Fitten"), bedeutet das, dass das ganze Dorf in einer besonderen Grundherrschaft lag? Ich vermute auch, dass der Meier kirchlich sowie weltlich war (z.B., "Meier des Trierer Domkapitels in Faha und Synodale der Pfarrkirche in Kirf" oder vielleicht "paulinischer Meier zu Oberleuken".). Ich habe keine Ahnung, was diese Bezüge bedeuten. Mir scheint, dieser Begriff hat viele Bedeutungen. Kann jemand auf dieser Liste mir bezüglich dieses Begriffs helfen? Gruss aus Minneapolis, wo es am 2 April noch schneit Michael

Do you know the ancestral lineage of Irmina REIS? I have the REIS name in my ancestry, they were from Schweich, which is just northeast of Trier. Thank you. Joe Miller Troy, Michigan > My grandfather, Jacob Herres, was born in Detzem, Rheinland on Aug. 6, 1857, son of Jacobum and Irmina Reis Herres. Christened the next day in Detzem, he was a Catholic, He came to America when he was 17 years old (1874-75).

My grandfather, Jacob Herres, was born in Detzem, Rheinland on Aug. 6, 1857, son of Jacobum and Irmina Reis Herres. Christened the next day in Detzem, he was a Catholic, He came to America when he was 17 years old (1874-75). His parents, Jacobum and Irmina were married in Detzem on February 15, 1841. They had the following children: 1. Anna Maria HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: F Christening: 9 Jul 1861 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen 2. Irmina HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: F Christening: 30 Jul 1847 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen 3. Jacobus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: M Christening: 7 Aug 1857 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen 4. Josephus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: M Christening: 11 Sep 1850 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen 5. Nicolaus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: M Christening: 20 Nov 1843 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen 6. Philippus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE Gender: M Christening: 20 Dec 1841 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen Does anyone have any information on this line of the Herres surname in the Trier/Detzem area? Or, better still, can you put me in touch with a church or historical group who might have records or other information about the ancestry of Jacobum Herres and Irmina Reis? Also, does anyone know the most probable route and port of embarcation that my grandfather would have used from Detzem/Trier to New York City in 1874-75? I have read that certain German port cities were preferred by immigrants from different areas of Germany. Thank you/Danke, R. Bruce Earle [email protected]

One of my great-grandma's came from Detzem, Anna Catharina Kropf. I would think they emigrated via Antwerp, Amsterdam, or France, either LeHavre or Brest. Antwerp would be the closest. I dont know where Anna Kropf sailed from, but she landed in the Port of New York in 1870. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Earle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] HERRES surname in DETZEM > My grandfather, Jacob Herres, was born in Detzem, Rheinland on Aug. 6, 1857, son of Jacobum and Irmina Reis Herres. Christened the next day in Detzem, he was a Catholic, He came to America when he was 17 years old (1874-75). > > His parents, Jacobum and Irmina were married in Detzem on February 15, 1841. They had the following children: > > 1. Anna Maria HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE > Gender: F Christening: 9 Jul 1861 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen > > 2. Irmina HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE > Gender: F Christening: 30 Jul 1847 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen > > 3. Jacobus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE > Gender: M Christening: 7 Aug 1857 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen > > 4. Josephus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE > Gender: M Christening: 11 Sep 1850 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen > > 5. Nicolaus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE > Gender: M Christening: 20 Nov 1843 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen > > 6. Philippus HERRES - International Genealogical Index / GE > Gender: M Christening: 20 Dec 1841 Katholisch, Detzem, Rheinland, Preussen > > Does anyone have any information on this line of the Herres surname in the Trier/Detzem area? Or, better still, can you put me in touch with a church or historical group who might have records or other information about the ancestry of Jacobum Herres and Irmina Reis? > > Also, does anyone know the most probable route and port of embarcation that my grandfather would have used from Detzem/Trier to New York City in 1874-75? I have read that certain German port cities were preferred by immigrants from different areas of Germany. > > Thank you/Danke, > R. Bruce Earle > [email protected] > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > >

Marilyn, The name of the cemetery is "Staedtischer Friedhof" (municipal cemetery). We Trierers just call it "Hauptfriedhof" (main cemetery). It is by far the biggest cem. in Trier. The cem. itself is in a street called "Hospitalsmuehle". The adress of its administration is another: Stadtverwaltung Trier Gruenflaechenamt Gaertnerstrasse 62 54292 Trier/Germany e-mail: grünflä[email protected] (with dots on "u" and the first "a"!) or visit www.trier.de They are responsible for all municipal cemeteries. But I don`t think that someone is buried under the memorial. It was erected in 1842 (abt. 30 years after the napoleonic wars) to honour the men who fought for the french. It was not errected by the prussian govt., but by veterans. I have never seen it with my own eyes, someone told me about and I read about it in the chronicle of our city. Ernst Mettlach Trier ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Trier cemetery > Hello all > > Recently, a gentleman mentioned a cemetery in Trier that had a memorial for > soldiers who had fought for Napoleon. Would anyone happen to know the name > and address of that cemetery so that I might write to them and get a list of > folks buried there? > > Thank you very much, > Marilyn MacDonald > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Marilyn, Here is a list for Napoleon's soldiers; http://norbert.hames.com/Napoleon/Soldats.html I found some family names but not necessarily grave sites, but it might be a start. Jim K - Lux

Greetings, if anyone has info about anyone with the names listed above, please email me. [email protected] I have reference to the area called Trier with Johannes, Menke as well. All info will be appreciated.

Hello all Recently, a gentleman mentioned a cemetery in Trier that had a memorial for soldiers who had fought for Napoleon. Would anyone happen to know the name and address of that cemetery so that I might write to them and get a list of folks buried there? Thank you very much, Marilyn MacDonald

Hi Star I would love to find a connection to my Strupp's that came from that area. I was looking through the Mettlach CD, but couldn't find anything for a Michael Becker married to an Angeline STRUPP. I will keep looking. I collect any and all info on The Strupp/Strub name! Debbie Strupp -----Original Message----- From: Star Ostgard <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Becker's of Merzig > >These ancestors of mine supposedly came from Merzig: > >Michael BECKER was born in 1773 in Germany and died there in 1846; he was 73. He was a farmer and Roman Catholic. Michael married Angeline STRUPP, in Germany. She was born in 1784 and died in Dover Twp, Racine County, WI, USA in 1854, at age 70. They had the following children: Peter (11 Nov 1820 - ?), John, Margaret (She was a Roman Catholic nun.), and five other children. Peter and all or most of the other children went with Angeline to the US ca 1847 (after Michael's death). > >Would like to find out more about Michael and Angeline, their children (especially those 5 mysteries), and which ones actually did come to the US. Any information - from actual lookups to addresses where I could write - would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Star Ostgard > >Rochester, MN > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html >to unsubscribe >

Monica, Your first effort is to visit your local LDS Family History Center and rent the approproiate microfilm that contains the records for your family. The online LDS Family History Library catalog (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp) shows they have a number of microfilms for Aachen. This could tell you if there are still family in the area. Then again you could contact your cousin who submitted the data on that same family to the LDS Ancestral File (see http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp). The Ancestral File entries show a number of children, some of who immigrated to the USA. Some sayed and may have had families. BTW, your cousin says that Peter's mother's name was Henks and they came from Manderfeld. >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:40:18 +0000 >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Hilgers > >My grandfather Peter Hilgers was born in Aachen in >1873. He came with his parents andsiblings by ship to >America when he was 12, approx 1885. He married my >granmother Enda Stebbins in Anaconda MT USA in 1898. >His fathers name was Johann and his mothers name was >Mary and I believe her maiden name was Hanks. I realize >these are probably the Americanized spellings. My >daughter will be traveling to Germany this summer in >the German American Partnership Program and I would >like to track down where my Grandfather lived in Aachen >and hopefully relatives. If you have any information to >help my search, I would be appreciative. >Thank you, >Monica Abbott >[email protected] -- mailto:[email protected]

My grandfather Peter Hilgers was born in Aachen in 1873. He came with his parents andsiblings by ship to America when he was 12, approx 1885. He married my granmother Enda Stebbins in Anaconda MT USA in 1898. His fathers name was Johann and his mothers name was Mary and I believe her maiden name was Hanks. I realize these are probably the Americanized spellings. My daughter will be traveling to Germany this summer in the German American Partnership Program and I would like to track down where my Grandfather lived in Aachen and hopefully relatives. If you have any information to help my search, I would be appreciative. Thank you, Monica Abbott [email protected]

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Send a request for a tranlsation to <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> Your German to be translated should be a good transcript, no more than 40 lines of about 60 characters. The service is free, performed by volunteers. Thomas Kohn > In a message dated 3/6/2002 4:08:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > >> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:31:47 -0500 >> From: Johnna & Gregory St Clair <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Message-id: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] =?Windows-1252?Q?D=F6rfliche_Impressionen?= >> >> Hi Listers: >> >> A very kind fellow Kell researcher has sent me copies of the book: >> >> D=F6rfliche Impressionen >> by Ursula Stimmler and Dittmar Lauer >> >> It is a collection of sketches and write-ups of certain buildings in Kell. >> >> I have been successful in scanning the pages with the OCR rich text forma= >> t using the appropriate German characters and all. >> >> However, when I try to Babelfish it, the translation is non-sensical! >> >> Can somebody suggest a source or person who might be interested in transl= >> ating to English? >> >> Thanks, >> Johnna St Clair >> >> >

These ancestors of mine supposedly came from Merzig: Michael BECKER was born in 1773 in Germany and died there in 1846; he was 73. He was a farmer and Roman Catholic. Michael married Angeline STRUPP, in Germany. She was born in 1784 and died in Dover Twp, Racine County, WI, USA in 1854, at age 70. They had the following children: Peter (11 Nov 1820 - ?), John, Margaret (She was a Roman Catholic nun.), and five other children. Peter and all or most of the other children went with Angeline to the US ca 1847 (after Michael's death). Would like to find out more about Michael and Angeline, their children (especially those 5 mysteries), and which ones actually did come to the US. Any information - from actual lookups to addresses where I could write - would be greatly appreciated. Star Ostgard Rochester, MN "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards�