Try the David Rumsey historical map collection which he has graciously made available to the public on http://www.davidrumsey.com/. I have found this collection very useful. You are able to zoom in on any area making the maps very readable. David A. Spang >Is there a site to find atlases/maps that show the different border changes >for Germany over the years to the present? Or is there a book store that may >carry something like this? > >Thanks... > >Diana > >SCHNEIDER, HEIMERMANN, ECKES, FREUND, FREIN, HERIG > > >==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html >to unsubscribe --

Hi... Would someone tell me where Wallhausen is/was? Am I on the right List for information? Thanks, Diana

Is there a site to find atlases/maps that show the different border changes for Germany over the years to the present? Or is there a book store that may carry something like this? Thanks... Diana SCHNEIDER, HEIMERMANN, ECKES, FREUND, FREIN, HERIG

Hi Linda, surely it is the village Klüsserath (Kluesserath) on the river Mosel, not far from Trier. best regards Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. April 2002 15:27 An: [email protected] Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Glisserath Guten morgen! my great-grandmother was born in Trier in February of 1867. My grandfather's baptismal certificate states it was a place called Glisserath. Has anyone heard of this and is it indeed a village or town? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Danke Linda ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe

Hello, I search for my ancestors with the surname Kahlhofen. I don't have many information at the moment so that every answer may be helpful. The Kahlhofen family left Trier to live in the Eifel-area near to Gerolstein. The information I have: Nikolaus Kahlhofen oo X Cremer daughter: Elisabeth Ich suche meine Vorfahren mit dem Namen Kahlhofer/Kahlhofen aus Trier. Ich habe noch nicht viele Informationen. Deshalb freue ich mich über jede kleine Hilfe, beispielsweise über Angaben der Pfarreien, in denen der Name vorkam. Stephan Lorse, Student aus Trier ------

My great great grandfather came from the Trier area in 1852 to the USA. His name was Johan Leyendecker. I would like any information on births, death or marriages of the Leyendecker Family in the Trier area. Please contact me if you have any information on this family name. Emilietru

[email protected] wrote: > my great-grandmother was born in Trier in February of 1867. My grandfather's > baptismal certificate states it was a place called Glisserath. Has anyone > heard of this and is it indeed a village or town? Could it be Gusterath? Just a thought . . . Kathy Lenerz

Guten morgen! my great-grandmother was born in Trier in February of 1867. My grandfather's baptismal certificate states it was a place called Glisserath. Has anyone heard of this and is it indeed a village or town? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Danke Linda

Thanks Mike, I am researching the last name of Maier. This was very interesting! Denise Bloomington, MN

Hi List: What language was spoken by farmers in what is now northern Saarland in the year 1813? If the answer is too complicated or available on the web, a link will suffice. Thanks, Johnna

Michael... Thank you very much for your translation. I agree with you that if the baby Margaretha Fox was born in March of 1820 and died in April of 1820, there is no way, she could be my great grandmother. I thought I must be mistranslating the information. The courious thing is why do 3 different people have that baby as the Margaretha FOX, I'm looking for. Plus, in some of there statements, she was an illegitimate child, or mother a cook in Colmar, or she was born in Tunsdorf. Is Kolmen another name for Colmar? I do have the Mettlach CD. I will look again at the BIWER family. I also do have a page from the Borg Familienbuch. It shows my 4g grandfather Mathiew BIEWER was married to an Eva HERBER and besides my 3g grandfather one of their children was a Valentine BIEWER who married 1759 to FOX, Marg and on the end of that line there is a word like autgo4tondert. This could be a relative of the same Fox family. Thanks again. Alice > "Voves, Michael" wrote: > > "Margaretha Fox, in 1820 was a cook in Kolmen; it seems clear she was > a relative to Peter Berend (cross reference to entry 1.245i), because > the birth of the following child was presumably in his accomodations > (Behausung - not Behaving), which therefore makes Margaretha surely a > descendant from entry no. 4.512 (Christoph Fox/Fuchs)." > > Anna Maria Margareth, born Mar 17, 1820 Tuensdorf, died Apr 30, 1820 > Tuensdorf > > "T.v" means "daughter of". Tdf is a reference to the registry of > Tuensdorf - the numbers next to Tdf would be relevant if you were > checking the registry. > > The child did not live very long - therefore, I think you have the > wrong Margaretha Fox. > > If you have not done so already, you may want to look the the > Biver/Biever/Biewer entries in the Mettlach CD, or track down another > family book covering Borg and Orscholz. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aellis [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Translation and conflicting sources. > > Please correct my translation from the Familienbuch Mettlach und > Umgebung by Reinhold Junges. Volume III page -292- > 4.538) FOX Margaretha > German: 1820 Köchin zu Kolmar/Kolman (?-Kolmen?) > English: cook too/to/at > > offensichtlich eine Verwandte zu > obviously one used too/to/at > > Peter BEREND -1.245i-, denn die > that > > Geburt des folgenden Kindes war > Birth of the the following child was > > (vermutlich) in dessen Behaving, und > Probably in its and > > Margaretha damit sicherlich ein > thus surely > > Abkömmling von 4.512 > of/from > > x) Anna Maria Margareth, > *17. 3.1820, Tdf (33/20-0) +30. 4.1820,Tdf > (51/20-0) > born17 March 1820, Tunsdorf or daughter of died 30 April 1820 > > This is one of my dead ends: I do know I am looking for a German > speaking, Margaretha FOX born about 1820 possibly born in France. > Possibly relatives lived in Rettel, France about 1845 according to her > > childs baptismal record. US census shows she and both her parents were > > born in France. She was married to Johnn BIWER about 1845, they lived > in > Borg and Oscholtz before they immigrated about 1874 to the US. Now, I > > have never found her birth or marrige record. However, I see someone > on > the internet has her born in Tunsdorf. Someone else showed she was an > > illegitimate baby. > Question: Who died 30 April 1820, the baby or the Mother??? > > My interpretation: Margaretha Fox, a cook in Kolmar, France was > staying > with a Susanna FUCHS who was married to Peter BEREND. Birth of the > following child, Anna Maria Margaretha born 17 March, 1820 who died 30 > > April, 1820. > > Now, if the child died, that certainly would eliminate that > Margaretha > FOX, and as for her mother, Margareth FOX, would be the wrong age. > > The Margaretha FOX, I am looking for died March 4, 1895 in South > Dakota. Age according to an 1895 newspaper clipping, was " 72 years, > 5 > months and 3-5 days, and was married 50 years last January". That > record said she was born in 1823 in Alsace-Lorraine. > > Thanks for any assistance. Alice > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Please correct my translation from the Familienbuch Mettlach und Umgebung by Reinhold Junges. Volume III page -292- 4.538) FOX Margaretha German: 1820 Köchin zu Kolmar/Kolman (?-Kolmen?) English: cook too/to/at offensichtlich eine Verwandte zu obviously one used too/to/at Peter BEREND -1.245i-, denn die that Geburt des folgenden Kindes war Birth of the the following child was (vermutlich) in dessen Behaving, und Probably in its and Margaretha damit sicherlich ein thus surely Abkömmling von 4.512 of/from x) Anna Maria Margareth, *17. 3.1820, Tdf (33/20-0) +30. 4.1820,Tdf (51/20-0) born17 March 1820, Tunsdorf or daughter of died 30 April 1820 This is one of my dead ends: I do know I am looking for a German speaking, Margaretha FOX born about 1820 possibly born in France. Possibly relatives lived in Rettel, France about 1845 according to her childs baptismal record. US census shows she and both her parents were born in France. She was married to Johnn BIWER about 1845, they lived in Borg and Oscholtz before they immigrated about 1874 to the US. Now, I have never found her birth or marrige record. However, I see someone on the internet has her born in Tunsdorf. Someone else showed she was an illegitimate baby. Question: Who died 30 April 1820, the baby or the Mother??? My interpretation: Margaretha Fox, a cook in Kolmar, France was staying with a Susanna FUCHS who was married to Peter BEREND. Birth of the following child, Anna Maria Margaretha born 17 March, 1820 who died 30 April, 1820. Now, if the child died, that certainly would eliminate that Margaretha FOX, and as for her mother, Margareth FOX, would be the wrong age. The Margaretha FOX, I am looking for died March 4, 1895 in South Dakota. Age according to an 1895 newspaper clipping, was " 72 years, 5 months and 3-5 days, and was married 50 years last January". That record said she was born in 1823 in Alsace-Lorraine. Thanks for any assistance. Alice

Hello List, I have posted two prior inquiries regarding the meaning of these terms. They appear in reference to my ancestors in the Trier-Saarburg area in the mid- to late 1600s. Several listmembers had asked me to share any information I received. I apologize in advance for this lengthy email, but a term like "Meier" cannot be described succinctly. If this topic does not sound interesting, you may want to hit delete now. Also - any corrections are appreciated - much of the information below is a summary composed by me based on responses and other materials that I received and translated into English. Because I am dealing with obscure legal and extinct foreign concepts, my translation may be lacking. Broadly put, the "Meier" or "Maier" was an administrator appointed by a feudal landlord (Grundherr) to manage the affairs on his estate (Herrschaft). The lord could have been either a secular individual or an ecclesiastical body (e.g., a monestary or other religious institution). Since the lord could not always be present on all of the lands that he owned, he appointed a local tenant as his agent, the Meier, to serve his interests and to preserve law and order. Under the feudal system of the middle ages, the lord enjoyed a variety of rights over his tenants, including the right to collect duties and hold court. The earliest of such estate "courts" was the Fronhofgericht, which attempted to solve all matters of dispute arising within a lord's stead. Out of this evolved several levels of courts whose jurisdiction extended to the villages that fell within the lord's Herrschaft. The make-up of each court system differs slightly with each Herrschaft. Nevertheless, below I have summarized what was a typical feudal court system. Minor or common disputes were settled in the Grundgericht, or basic court (also called the Niedergericht, or lower court). Matters of a commercial nature, such as those involving the sale, pledging or seizure of property, or borrowing and lending, were settled in the Mittelgericht, or middle court. A third court, the Hochgericht (high court) fell outside the domain of the lord and under the jurisdiction of the Landesherr, or sovereign. The high court resolved matters concerning land and water use, e.g., milling, fishing, forest, and ripuarian rights. This court also presided over tort (assault, battery) or criminal matters, such as thievery, murder and, of course, witchery. In the lower court, session (Gerichtstag) was run entirely by the Meier. He would likely have acted as judge, bailiff, court reporter, etc. The Meier may have also directed proceedings for the middle court, although this court functioned more like a peoples court. Next to the lord and the Meier sat a jury that ultimately decided matters in dispute. The jury was supposed to be an independent deliberating body, i.e., free from interference from the lord. These jurors (Schoeffen) were selected, either by election or by designation, from within the community and were typically men of property. For example, it would not have been uncommon to limit the jury pool to individuals who owned their households. The Meier was responsible for upholding the jury's decision and enforcing any penalties, with force if necessary. Matters in the Hochgericht would have likely been handled by the Landesherr. In ecclesiastical Herrschaften, session for the Hochgericht may have been run by a Vogt (church advocate). Similarly, individuals who are church members (or Synodales) sometimes acted as jurors (Kirchenschoeffen) in the lower court. (Although the terms "Synodale" and "Schoeffe" are not synonomous, the appearance of the term Synodale in church records may be indicative of the individual's status as a court member.) So, I will run through a few specific examples that I referred to in my prior emails. One individual is listed as the "paulinischer Meier" in Oberleuken. The Leuk stream that runs through Oberleuken once divided the village politically, as well as physically. Half of the village was part of Lorraine (or Lothringen), while the other half was part of the Trier electorate (the "kurtrierisch" section). The collegiate theological foundation of St. Paulin in Trier was bestowed with property in Oberleuken. In other words, the foundation was a feudal lord. If foundation officials resided in Trier, they could not easily look after their property in Oberleuken, so they would have likely appointed a local Oberleuken tenant as Meier to look after the foundation's interests and preserve law and order. Hence, appears the description "paulinischer". The same explanation holds for "Meier des Trierer Domkapitels in Faha". The Trier Cathedral Chapter likely owned property in Faha - therefore it would have appointed a local resident as Meier to look after its interests. I hope that explanation was useful to someone. Mike Voves

Hello, Merzkirchen belongs to the Verbandsgemeinde Saarburg. The adress is: Verbandsgemeindeverwaltung Saarburg Schlossberg 6 D-54439 Saarburg Tel. 0049-6581/81-0 Fax 0049-6581/81-220 [email protected] www.vg-saarburg.de You will find the Standesamt for Merzkirchen and Dittlingen there. I don`t know, if this of interest for you: In the open air museum in Konz there is a historic house from Dittlingen. You can see it at: http://www.roscheiderhof.de/haeuser-gaerten/saargauhof.html Ernst Mettlach ----- Original Message ----- From: Voves, Michael <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:03 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Dittlingen > Hello List, > > Wo kann ich das zuständige Standesamt zu Dittlingen finden - in Saarburg? > Ich besitze Auszüge aus dem von Heinrich Wagner erstellten Familienbuch > Merzkirchen (mit Dittlingen). Unter den Namen finde ich Matthias > Siebenborn, der 1769 bis zu seinem Tod wohnhaft zu Dittlingen war und aus > "Dittlingen, Dukatus Lux" stammte. Ich vermute, Dittlingen gehörte damals > Luxemburg, bevor es an die preussische Rheinprovinz kam. Die Ahnen von > Matthias sind nicht zu verfolgen, weil das Buch keine Einträge zu Dittlingen > vor 1765 enthält. Ich möchte an das zuständige Standesamt schreiben. Ich > vermute, Matthias stammt von einem Geschlecht in Helfant, das zu Siebenborn, > Luxemburg (heute Septfontaines) zu verfolgen ist. Ich möchte meine > Vermutungen bestätigen. > > I am looking for the appropriate Standesamt containing records for the > village of Dittlingen before 1765. Would that be in Saarburg? I am in > possession of excerpts from the Familienbuch Merzkirchen (incl. Dittlingen). > I have found therein a Matthias Siebenborn who appears as resident to > Dittlingen from 1769 until his death, and it appears he was born there as > well, for he is noted as originating from "Dittlingen, Dukatus Lux". I > presume Dittlingen belonged to the Duchy of Luxembourg at that time - before > it was ceded to Prussia's Rhine Province. I cannot trace the ancestors of > Matthias because the book contains no Dittlingen entries prior to 1765. I > would like to write to the appropriate Standesamt in the hope of finding > additional information. I suspect that Matthias Siebenborn is descended > from other Siebenborns in Helfant, who themselves can ultimately be traced > to, where else, Siebenborn, Luxembourg - today known as Septfontaines. I > would like to confirm whether this is true. > > Michael Voves > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

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In a message dated 4/18/2002 9:03:13 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Rockershausen well I have good news and bad news the Morman's have a book Family lineage book for the villages of Rockershausen, Luisenthal and Altenkessel, Rheinland, Germany. The villages were part of Püttlingen, Rheinland, Germany. but, it is a book and there is no film take care, Debbie

Hello List, Wo kann ich das zuständige Standesamt zu Dittlingen finden - in Saarburg? Ich besitze Auszüge aus dem von Heinrich Wagner erstellten Familienbuch Merzkirchen (mit Dittlingen). Unter den Namen finde ich Matthias Siebenborn, der 1769 bis zu seinem Tod wohnhaft zu Dittlingen war und aus "Dittlingen, Dukatus Lux" stammte. Ich vermute, Dittlingen gehörte damals Luxemburg, bevor es an die preussische Rheinprovinz kam. Die Ahnen von Matthias sind nicht zu verfolgen, weil das Buch keine Einträge zu Dittlingen vor 1765 enthält. Ich möchte an das zuständige Standesamt schreiben. Ich vermute, Matthias stammt von einem Geschlecht in Helfant, das zu Siebenborn, Luxemburg (heute Septfontaines) zu verfolgen ist. Ich möchte meine Vermutungen bestätigen. I am looking for the appropriate Standesamt containing records for the village of Dittlingen before 1765. Would that be in Saarburg? I am in possession of excerpts from the Familienbuch Merzkirchen (incl. Dittlingen). I have found therein a Matthias Siebenborn who appears as resident to Dittlingen from 1769 until his death, and it appears he was born there as well, for he is noted as originating from "Dittlingen, Dukatus Lux". I presume Dittlingen belonged to the Duchy of Luxembourg at that time - before it was ceded to Prussia's Rhine Province. I cannot trace the ancestors of Matthias because the book contains no Dittlingen entries prior to 1765. I would like to write to the appropriate Standesamt in the hope of finding additional information. I suspect that Matthias Siebenborn is descended from other Siebenborns in Helfant, who themselves can ultimately be traced to, where else, Siebenborn, Luxembourg - today known as Septfontaines. I would like to confirm whether this is true. Michael Voves

Hi Rockershausen is a part from 'Altenkessel', this is today a part from Saarbruecken. Sorry, I've no records from this towns. Michael -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joan Longbrake (Private) [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. April 2002 15:22 An: [email protected] Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Rockershausen I have found through a book by J. Mergen that a family named Ries, Christian lived in the Rockershausen area in the year of 1837 arriving in the USA in 1847. Can anyone direct me as to the location of records from this village? The Family History Center has records of Saarbrucken would this area be included in these records. I am very much a novice in this area and can only tell that they were miners from that area. Anyone having any knowledge of the area or can direct me would be very helpful. Thank you, Joan ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe

I have found through a book by J. Mergen that a family named Ries, Christian lived in the Rockershausen area in the year of 1837 arriving in the USA in 1847. Can anyone direct me as to the location of records from this village? The Family History Center has records of Saarbrucken would this area be included in these records. I am very much a novice in this area and can only tell that they were miners from that area. Anyone having any knowledge of the area or can direct me would be very helpful. Thank you, Joan

It's interesting that many of these same families also ended up in Westphalia Michigan. John Peter Maurer born 21 Apr 1821 in Kempenich/Eifel, Germany arrived in 1855. Thelens: five different Thelen families settled here including John Joseph Thelen and his brother John Mathias, sons of Mathias Joseph Thelen and Margareth Feldner. Müller/Millers: 15 different families 13 of which from the Eifel: Arft (2) Langscheid (4) Drees (3) all of which are in the immediate vicinity of Jammelshofen as well as one each from Rech, Dorsel, Denn and Acht. So my big question is.... in Jammelshofen, did you ever encounter the name Feldner? The patriarch of the family, Valerius, was born in Austria in the early 1700's and as a young man was sent to the Rheinland, he married one of the local young ladies where they raised their family and remained for the rest of their years. BTW, nice website!!!! Good luck with it. Joseph B. Miller Troy, Michigan > Just to let the list know we expanded our website considerably. Have a > peek at "Andy & Mary's Genealogy": > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wegner > > Mary's surnames in Kreis Daun in the Eifel Mountains region, mostly > east of Kelberg are: Haensgen, Koenigs, Mauer, Nett, Stern, Thelen, and > MANY others. Follow the Haensgen branch and their ancestors and allied > families.