Could anyone on this list shed light on this 9 year span without children in a marriage??? Two daughters were born to George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN...Elizabeth was born February 04, 1834 and her sister Anna was born in 1843....both daughters were born in "Prussia". Eva MICHELS was the first child of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN to be born in America. She was born September 09, 1847 in Thiensville, Ozaukee Co., Wisconsin. This means the MICHELS' emmigration must have taken place between the birth of Anna in 1843 and the birth of Eva in 1847. The emmigration of George MICHELS and his wife Anna Marie would have taken place between the birth of their daughter, Anna in 1843, and the birth of their daughter Eva in 1847. George and Anna Marie likely emmigrated with two children: Elizabeth and Anna. (I don't know if they had any other children who may have stayed in Germany/Prussia). George MICHELS would have been aged 35 in 1843 and 39 in 1847 Anna Marie, wife of George, would have been aged 18 in 1843 and 22 in 1847 Elizabeth, their daughter, would have been aged 9 in 1843 and 13 in 1847 Anna, their daughter, would have been an infant in 1843 and aged 4 in 1847. Would the Prussian government have prevented parents from taking any male children--and this might explain for the 9 year span between Elizabeth born in 1834 and her sister born in 1843? It is said that they emmigrated from the TRIER area.... Thank you, Susan

Susan Nokes wrote: > > Could anyone on this list shed light on this 9 year span without children in a marriage??? > > Two daughters were born to George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN...Elizabeth was born February 04, 1834 and her sister Anna was born in 1843....both daughters were born in "Prussia". > How do you know these were the only two children BORN to them? It's possible others were born to them, but died. Infant and child death was very common in those days.

You have ME confused... Does it not state that: Anna Marie, wife of George, would have been aged 18 in 1843 and 22 in 1847 Earlier it states: Elizabeth was born February 04, 1834 For both of these statements to be true, the mother Anna Marie was approximately age 9 Or am I just imagining it this evening, or missing something important? ----- Original Message --Elizabeth was born February 04, 1834 --- From: Susan Nokes To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] 9 year span between children??? Could anyone on this list shed light on this 9 year span without children in a marriage??? Two daughters were born to George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN...Elizabeth was born February 04, 1834 and her sister Anna was born in 1843....both daughters were born in "Prussia". Eva MICHELS was the first child of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN to be born in America. She was born September 09, 1847 in Thiensville, Ozaukee Co., Wisconsin. This means the MICHELS' emmigration must have taken place between the birth of Anna in 1843 and the birth of Eva in 1847. The emmigration of George MICHELS and his wife Anna Marie would have taken place between the birth of their daughter, Anna in 1843, and the birth of their daughter Eva in 1847. George and Anna Marie likely emmigrated with two children: Elizabeth and Anna. (I don't know if they had any other children who may have stayed in Germany/Prussia). George MICHELS would have been aged 35 in 1843 and 39 in 1847 Anna Marie, wife of George, would have been aged 18 in 1843 and 22 in 1847 Elizabeth, their daughter, would have been aged 9 in 1843 and 13 in 1847 Anna, their daughter, would have been an infant in 1843 and aged 4 in 1847. Would the Prussian government have prevented parents from taking any male children--and this might explain for the 9 year span between Elizabeth born in 1834 and her sister born in 1843? It is said that they emmigrated from the TRIER area.... Thank you, Susan ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe

Ernest, Thank you for the idea! I started looking up St. Martin of Tours..and here is what I came up with: (I wish I could read German!) For those who are unable to read German (like myself), I found an interesting article at: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09732b.htm A more in depth article with beautiful pictures: http://users.erols.com/saintpat/ss/1111.htm And actually quite a few more! Does anyone know what the letters O. S. B. would stand for when following the name oa a priest? Seem to me it might have something to do with the Benedectine order--but I'm not certain. Thank you, Susan

Hello, Martin of Tours (born around 316 in Hungary, died 8. Nov. 397 in Candes/France) is a very popular saint in Germany and especially in the diocese Trier, where abt. 70 parishes are named after St. Martin (until 1803 there was a famous Benedictine Abbey with the name St. Martin in Trier, it is believed that it was founded by Martin itself ). Martin visited Trier the first time in 370, after his election as bishop. In 385 a.c. he visited the roman emperor Magnus Maximus in Trier to defend the heretic Priscillianus who had been sentenced to death. For further information about this remarkable saint, look at: http://www.bistum-trier.de/kiosk/martin/index.htm (german only) Ernst Mettlach Trier/Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Nokes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:57 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] St. Martin's--Mertesdorf, St. Martin's Granville, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin > Hi, > > I read the following on the TRIER rootsweb list: > > "The name of the catholic church in Mertesdorf is St. Martin (the name of > Mertesdorf itself goes back to the name of St. Martin)." > > Does anyone know if the German's who built the frame church in 1847-48 and a > frame school in 1848 might have come from Mertesdorf? > > St. Martin's Catholic Church is located in what was West Granville, > Milwaukee County, Wisconsin...I think it is at 8900 West Appleton Avenue. > > I am wondering if, out of love for their homeland and their homeland church, > if they might have named St. Martin's after their church in Mertesdorf? > > Just a thought--any other thoughts on this? > > Thank you, > Susan > [email protected] > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Susan Nokes wrote: > Does anyone know what the letters O. S. B. would stand for when following > the name oa a priest? Seem to me it might have something to do with the > Benedectine order--but I'm not certain. OSB = Order of Saint Benedict

From: "Juliana Smith" Date: 18 May 2002 10:10:26 -0600 I am currently attending the NGS Conference in Milwaukee and we have received word that California is moving forward quickly in its move to close access to the index of birth and death records and will be meeting Monday morning at 9:30 am for a hearing on the bill. I am copying a message below with details of the legislation and contact information for California legislators form the Appropriation Committee. Please let our voices be heard on this issue. If closed, it will set a precedent and it is likely that other states will follow suit. It is particularly important that California voters voice their opinions. Please pass this important message on to other lists as well. With best wishes, Juliana Smith Editor, Ancestry Daily News [email protected] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LEG MAY 17, 2002 REPORT Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:13:55 -0700 From: Iris Jones <[email protected]> MAY 17, 2002 - SENATE BILL 1614 UPDATE While I subscribe the SB1614, since my last report on May 15, 2002, I have checked the activity daily. As of late last night there was no change. This morning I find that the bill has been scheduled to be heard before the Appropriations Committee at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, May 20, 2002. There are also new amendments. The bill requires the comprehensive index of birth and death record indexes be kept confidential. It will be available to some government agencies, but the information is require to maintain confidentiality. The copies of Indexes sold prior to 31 December to 3rd parties will require that the information remain confidential under penalty of law. It requires the State Registrar to establish a separate noncomprehensive electronic indices which will be electronically available to county recorders. But the public may only view these noncomprehensive indexes at the State or county on computer terminals designated for this purpose. Obviously, between now and 9:30 a.m. on Monday morning leaves little time for action. I am going to send my letter of objections to the author, the Governor and members of the Appropriation Committee who have fax Email numbers available. The Committee: State Capital Bldg., Sacramento, CA 95814 Senator Dede Alpert (Chair), Room 5050; Fax 916-327-2188; Email <[email protected]> Senator Jim Battin (Vice Chair), Room 3024; Email <[email protected]> Senator Debora Bowen Room 4040; Email <[email protected]> Senator John Burton, Room 205; no fax; no Email Senator Martha Escuta, Room 5080; Fax 916-327-8755 Senator Maurice Johannessen, Room 5061; Fax 916-445-7750 Senator Ross Johnson, Room 3063, only in Irvine Office Senator Betty Karnette, Room 5066; Fax 916-641-4395 Senator Bruce McPherson, Room 2054; Email <[email protected]> Senator Kevin Murray, Room 4038; Fax 915-641-4395 Senator Don Perata, Room 4061; Fax 916-286-3885 Senator Charles Poochigian, Room 5087 Senator Jackie Speier, Room 2032; Fax 916-327-2186; <[email protected]> Governor Gray Davis, Fax 916-445-4633; <[email protected]> -- Iris Carter Jones CSGA Legislative Coordinator

Hi, I read the following on the TRIER rootsweb list: "The name of the catholic church in Mertesdorf is St. Martin (the name of Mertesdorf itself goes back to the name of St. Martin)." Does anyone know if the German's who built the frame church in 1847-48 and a frame school in 1848 might have come from Mertesdorf? St. Martin's Catholic Church is located in what was West Granville, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin...I think it is at 8900 West Appleton Avenue. I am wondering if, out of love for their homeland and their homeland church, if they might have named St. Martin's after their church in Mertesdorf? Just a thought--any other thoughts on this? Thank you, Susan [email protected]

Hello Trier List: I was wondering if anyone with the familienbuch: Die Einwohner von Wadrill und Sitzerath vor 1850, Hans Peter Klauck (or another relevant familienbuch) might be able to find information on this branch of the KOCHEMS family: Johannes KOCHEMS + Anna SEIMETZ died 26 Nov 1872 Sitzerath married: 5 Aug 1863 in Otzenhausen kinder: Anna Barbara (migrated to Chicago, Ill, USA) ? ? Thanks, Johnna St Clair

The name of the catholic church in Mertesdorf is St. Martin (the name of Mertesdorf itself goes back to the name of St. Martin). I don`know a nearby place or church with the name St. Michael. Maybe you contact someone in Mertesdorf via www.mertesdorf.de Ernst Mettlach ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re:St. Michael's - Mertesdorf > In reviewing the church records and family book for RUWER, there are > references to many persons from Mertesdorf of St. Michael's. Particularly in > the marriage note. > > Is that the name of the Catholic church in Mertesdorf? Or is referring to a > nearby place? > > Jay Wilpolt > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Was wondering if anyone researching in the TRIER area has come across the name LENGER--or Langer (umlat above the "a")? My ggggrandfather married Elizabeth GLESIUS in or around the Trier area Abt. 1834. Her parents were: Bartholomew Glesius and Katherine (I don't know her maiden name). She was born October 28, 1814 in or around the Trier area. She married Christian Lenger (born January 10, 1810-also born in the Trier area). His parents were C. Henry Lenger and Barbara (I don't know her maiden name). Thank you for taking time to read this...looking forward to any possibilities, Susan [email protected]

In reviewing the church records and family book for RUWER, there are references to many persons from Mertesdorf of St. Michael's. Particularly in the marriage note. Is that the name of the Catholic church in Mertesdorf? Or is referring to a nearby place? Jay Wilpolt

< http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/genealogy/forms/idphdeathsrch.html > 1916-1951 Check them out! I found lots of my relatives in one swoop of each surname I submitted. W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

Yes, thank you, I am aware of these Plienis, I have, I think all of this line in my genealogy program on my Family Web Page. I appreciate your concern. I always hope that someone will come up with a long lost ancestor. Today that hope was fulfilled in two e-mail. I never give up hope. Thanks again.....Norma Norma Pleines Hooper-Web Mistress-Pleines International <http://pcp023383pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net/~Pleines/> or <http://pleines.org/> [email protected] wrote: > > Subject: > > TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 105 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: TRIER-ROOTS-D [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #104 > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:01:44 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > There are Plienis families in Sioux Falls, SD. Look in a people search - > pull them up in South Dakota. There are also some in North Dakota. > > Marlene > South Dakota

There are Plienis families in Sioux Falls, SD. Look in a people search - pull them up in South Dakota. There are also some in North Dakota. Marlene South Dakota

Hello, I am looking for information about my ancestors. The name I am searching is PLEINES. Way back 1300/1400's from Antwerp, Lille, Brussel, Anvers, than Franfurt and the Hunsruck Rhein area, Rhaunen, Gosenroth, Sargenroth, Biebern, Simmern, etc. The name has taken several changes in spelling, Ploenies, Ploenys, Plonis, Pleinius, and others. Is this enough information for you to help me? Thank you for your time...........Norma

Jay, I think it`s Dodenburg in the Kreis Bernkastel-Wittlich. Dodenburg is a small village between Trier and Wittlich with abt. 120 Inhabitants, not so far from Osburg. The adress of the administration is: Gemeindeverwaltung Dodenburg Schlossstrasse 24 D-54518 Dodenburg Phone: 0049-6508-383 Ernst Mettlach Trier/Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Todenburg? Osburg Family Book > I have a copy of a few pages from a family book from OSBURG on my FELLER > family. > > Under the family group for Nikolaus Feller born 1802 died 1876 it lists him > from (aus) Todenberg. But I cannot find a town of that name? > Could they have meant Todtenberg? That seems a bit far away. > Nikolaus married Anna Schmitt from Osburg about 1827. > The rest of the Feller family previously came from Ruwer, and that is noted > in each of those family groups. > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Jay Wilpolt > > Related surnames from Trier; (Osburg and Ruwer) > FELLER, KLOSTER, MICHELS, KRELL, STEINBACH, CARLS, Kreper, Busmar, Meen, > Zock, Zeltinger, Schmitt, Bried, Reichert, Wagner, Bales, Koster, weber, > Braun, Christ, Christen, Lauter, Schneider, Blau, Scherner (possibly Scherer) > > JAECKELS > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

I have a copy of a few pages from a family book from OSBURG on my FELLER family. Under the family group for Nikolaus Feller born 1802 died 1876 it lists him from (aus) Todenberg. But I cannot find a town of that name? Could they have meant Todtenberg? That seems a bit far away. Nikolaus married Anna Schmitt from Osburg about 1827. The rest of the Feller family previously came from Ruwer, and that is noted in each of those family groups. Any help is greatly appreciated. Jay Wilpolt Related surnames from Trier; (Osburg and Ruwer) FELLER, KLOSTER, MICHELS, KRELL, STEINBACH, CARLS, Kreper, Busmar, Meen, Zock, Zeltinger, Schmitt, Bried, Reichert, Wagner, Bales, Koster, weber, Braun, Christ, Christen, Lauter, Schneider, Blau, Scherner (possibly Scherer) JAECKELS

In a message dated 5/11/02 2:08:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Would like to hear from anyone in these areas knowing of or about The Jochum > family. My forebears left Germany about 1860. They married into the Irsch, > Gorges and Stein families. B Jochum > My g-grandmother was Katharina Jochum Riotte born October 20, 1867, in Neunkirchen / Sankt Wendel, Saarland, Germany. Her death cert. states her father was Peter Gouchaim and her mother was ? Schinemann. Katharina married Joseph Emil Riotte on June 30, 1890, in St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Wallingford, Connecticut, USA. She died December 8, 1904. Any connection? Katharina is my "brick wall" Peggy Riotte

EVERYONE- PLEASE LISTEN. I JUST NOTIFIED MY SERVER GWI IN MAINE AND THEY RETURNED AND SAID THAT THIS IS ALL A HOAX AND NOT- REPEAT DO NOT DELETE THIS. IT IS PART OF MICROSOFT EXPLORER. AGAIN- DO NOT DELETE - THIS IS A HOAX. I HOPE THEY CATCH THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS.... CATHERINE OVERKAMP ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #100