Does anyone know whether the surnames Rodt and Roth could be interchangeable in Catholic records? The records are from the early 1800s. Jane/CO

Hello, Some of the information regarding the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg is incorrect and may be misleading. Between 1795 and 1814, the Duchy of Luxembourg was one of the nine departments (Department des Forets) of the French Republic. At the Congress of Vienna in 1814, Luxembourg became a sovereign state and was assigned personal union with William I, King of the Netherlands. As part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Luxembourg relinquished its eastern territory to Prussia. In compensation, the Duchy of Luxembourg was elevated to Grand Duchy status. At the Treaty of London in 1831, Luxembourg ceded its western territory to the establishment of the Kingdom of Belgium. This western Luxembourg area became Luxembourg Province, the ninth province of Belgium. The Kingdom of the Netherlands controlled Luxembourg until 1867 when Luxembourg was declared neutral and independent. It is because of these boundary changes that Luxembourgers were thought to be from Holland or France or Germany. The true Luxembourger knew all along he was a Luxembourger. Regards, Karen B. Whitmer

Anna Marie, Try Antwerp. Jack ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: [email protected] Subject: TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #114 Date: 05/28/2002 07:34am X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 01:24:29 +0000 From: "Ann Marie" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Ports used by Germans from Trier Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello! After researching relatives from Trier, the ports from Bremen and Bremerhaven have been ruled out. Does anyone have any idea as to other ports they might have left from to go to New York in the year 1876? Thank you! Ann Marie _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ______________________________

Hi all, I got stuck with my great-great...grandfather Christoph Heidenreich. He came to Ixheim, near Zweibrücken, in 1783 and died there on 26 January 1794. But in the churchbook of Zweibrücken the priest wrote that he was born in "Niegend = Novigadensium, Erzbistum Trier". According to a relative who made researches on him 20 years ago, this is not possible and must have been an error of the priest. He rather thinks Niegend could be Noviand near Bernkastel-Kues where closely resembling names can be found, but he is not sure at all. Has somebody any idea about towns called "Niegend"???? Thanks for any help Barbara France

Hello! I had a wonderful response to my question regarding ports my ancestors might have used in leaving Trier to enter the USA. Thank you all for you help. I certainly have many ideas to pursue! Sincerely, Ann Marie _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Mary, Luxembourg was/is a country, a city in that country, and a town in Germany (and to confuse things worse, they are all in the same general area). Here is a site that is good to see the location of Luxembourgh, Germany (if I recall correctly, it is on the Lux border in the Rheinland). http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmfn I have a Peter KIEFFER born October 1826 and immigrated to US in 1852. Family had notes indicating Peter came from Holland. 1880 MN Census lists Peter (and his parents) were from Württemberg, Germany. Obituaries from Minnesota, however, lists Peter's birthplace as Luxembourg, Germany. He died in Lake Crystal, Blue Earth Co, MN. Pete Hanson

not quite right. Luxembourg, Germany as recorded in those times, was really the Duchy of Luxembourg. Germany controlled Luxembourg until 1867 when it finally gained full independence and became Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. W. David Samuelsen [email protected] wrote: > > Mary, > Luxembourg was/is a country, a city in that country, and a town in Germany > (and to confuse things worse, they are all in the same general area). Here > is a site that is good to see the location of Luxembourgh, Germany (if I > recall correctly, it is on the Lux border in the Rheinland). > http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmfn > > I have a Peter KIEFFER born October 1826 and immigrated to US in 1852. > Family had notes indicating Peter came from Holland. 1880 MN Census lists > Peter (and his parents) were from Württemberg, Germany. > Obituaries from Minnesota, however, lists Peter's birthplace as Luxembourg, > Germany. He died in Lake Crystal, Blue Earth Co, MN. > > Pete Hanson > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Ports of departure: several of my ancestors from the Eifel embarked in Antwerp, Belgium. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Marie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Ports used by Germans from Trier > Hello! After researching relatives from Trier, the ports from Bremen and > Bremerhaven have been ruled out. Does anyone have any idea as to other > ports they might have left from to go to New York in the year 1876? Thank > you! Ann Marie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ______________________________ >

I am looking for a city that is close to Trier and is Luxembourg. I might have the spelling wrong. Does anyone know where it is or who might be available to do research in that area? Thank you. Mary Anne

Hello! After researching relatives from Trier, the ports from Bremen and Bremerhaven have been ruled out. Does anyone have any idea as to other ports they might have left from to go to New York in the year 1876? Thank you! Ann Marie _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Most likely, the port was Antwerp. Since Rotterdam was the most frequent port used in the 1700s & early 1800s, if you don't have success with Antwerp, try Rotterdam next. If neither is correct, then try LeHavre. Kathy Hello! After researching relatives from Trier, the ports from Bremen and Bremerhaven have been ruled out. Does anyone have any idea as to other ports they might have left from to go to New York in the year 1876? Thank you! Ann MarieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I had some people come from Karlsruhe, in Baden - which is about 50 miles south and a little east of Trier. They came in 1853 - so a bit earlier than the time you're looking. They departed from Le Havre and arrived in New York. I was never able to find any shipping manifests for passengers departing LeHavre and was told by several people "in the know" that there are no surviving lists. I just waded through film after film of New York arrivals and finally got lucky. Best of Luck, Jim __________ MSN e-mail is not very reliable. Important messages should go to [email protected] -------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Marie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Ports used by Germans from Trier > > Hello! After researching relatives from Trier, the ports from Bremen and > Bremerhaven have been ruled out. Does anyone have any idea as to other > ports they might have left from to go to New York in the year 1876? Thank > you! Ann Marie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > >

I was doing some digging at Rootsweb and discovered this list. I am hoping my question falls in the category of 'acceptable' for this list. If not, I apologize in advance! =-=-=-=-=-=-= I have been trying to find both the when my great great grandparents arrived in the US and where they came from. I stumbled across a database of baptisms from a church in Chicago stating they came from 'Trier'. I have someone researching for me in Germany but she's not having much luck. I understand Trier is both a 'region' as well as a very old and very large city. One of the daughters-in-law came from the area as well. My researcher came across a large population of those with the surname 'Faymonville'. So far, she's not had much luck with finding Mathias Brand or his bride, Anna Marie Franzen. What I know about Anna Marie is that she also had a sister, Clara. The ladies could have had a brother named either Mathias or Mathew. They could also have had a cousin with a surname of Boesen. I am certain Mathias Brand and Anna Franzen married in the US (but this is still a guess on my part...) From looking at their death certificates, I am also guessing they arrived in the mid 1850's. What is interesting about this couple is that they named one of their sons, John Valentin(e) Brand. I have found a few references to the given name, Valentin and/or Valentine Brand but have no way to connect them with my ancestors. Unfortunately, the only record I am aware of which would provide ALL my answers was destroyed in the Great Chicago fire of 1870. I'd love to hear from anyone with suggestions. Better yet, I'd love to hear from anyone with a connection! Jeannette Harper Email: [email protected] Web: http:freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~budlink

Can anyone tell me if the towns of: Prum Bleialf Habscheid Buchet were ever part of Luxemburg or Belgium and if so, what years. Thanks, Gene Gilen

Hi- Still searching for ANY info on DRESCHER in the Sarrbruecken area. Thanks-Suzan

Hello Johnna, I found this in the Familybook "Die Einwohner von Wadrill und Sitzerath vor 1850" 436 KOCHEMS Adam, Schneider, S.v. Friedrich K. u. Maria LINNIG * 30.01.1780 Kostenbach ~ Kastel + Hermeskeil oo 04.07.1815 Kastel PAULUS Margaretha, T.v. Mathias P. u. Maria BARTH * 18.12.1782 Oberlöstern ~ Wadern + Hermeskeil Kinder: 1. Nikolaus * 22.07.1816 Kostenbach ~ Kastel 2. Johann * 03.02.1818 Sitzerath ~ Wadrill 437 KOCHEMS Johann, Schneider, S.v. Peter K. u. Johannetta KLAUCK * 30.01.1809 Kostenbach +20.05.1870 Sitzerath oo 30.01.1834 Otzenhausen (ZR 06.02 Wadrill), getraut in der Kapelle in Sitzerath KOCH Anna, T.v. Mathias K. u. Angela SCHMIDT * 23.07.1815 Sitzerath ~ Wadrill + 1881 Kinder: 1. Angela * 26.09.1834 Sitzerath ~ Wadrill oo 16.02.1858 Wadrill Jacob TRAMPERT, S.v. Jacob T. u. Anna Maria LORSCHETTER 2. Johann * 12.10.1836 Sitzerath ~ Wadrill 1. oo 05.08.1863 Otzenhausen (ZR 13.08 Wadrill), Anna SEIMETZ, T.v. Nikolaus S. u. Maria MATTES 2. oo 21.02.1873 Otzenhausen (ZR 25.02 Wadrill), Maria LAUER (* 10.12.1849 Gusenburg) T.v. Nikolaus L. u. Helena KOLZ 3. ... 8. more children Beste Grüße Rolf (Freytag) mailto:[email protected] http://www.rolf-freytag.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Johnna & Gregory St Clair [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Mai 2002 16:35 An: [email protected] Betreff: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Kochems in Otzehausen Hello Trier List: I was wondering if anyone with the familienbuch: Die Einwohner von Wadrill und Sitzerath vor 1850, Hans Peter Klauck (or another relevant familienbuch) might be able to find information on this branch of the KOCHEMS family: Johannes KOCHEMS + Anna SEIMETZ died 26 Nov 1872 Sitzerath married: 5 Aug 1863 in Otzenhausen kinder: Anna Barbara (migrated to Chicago, Ill, USA) ? ? Thanks, Johnna St Clair ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe

True for the Rh incompatibility. My grandmom had the problem and although she had a great number of pregnancies she saved only my father (first born) and my aunt who is Rh negative like my grandmotehr was. Even my aunt lost several children for this reason after the second child before medicine discovered the problem and was so able to save the third one (which made a space of about 10 years). Luckily for me this was no longer a problem when I got my children since otherwise I would have had the same problem. However since in the 18th century and before anyway many childs died very young form several causes and some women didn't get children every year, this may also be an explanation. Barbara ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "G. Leisen" <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : mercredi 22 mai 2002 23:12 Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Spaces between Children > I realize that the question about a space of nine years between children was answered by the possibility of the first wife dying and acquiring a second wife. > > When that is not the circumstance, such as with an intact marriage, it could be a case of Rh incompatibility in which case, an Rh Negative Mom could have developed antibodies against Rh Positive blood exposure in one of her early pregnancies. Although often subsequent children who have Rh positive blood factor might be born and develop jaundice, die after birth, or be retarded, in extreme cases, the developing infant could be aborted naturally because of the Mom's overactive immune system. > > Just a thought. > > Gretchen Leisen > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Thank you for all the responses to the 9 year age span in the children of George MICHELS. For some reason, I did not see that Anna Marie (George's wife) would have been only 9 years old at the birth of Elizabeth (listed as his first daughter)...this is unlikely...so it is more likely that George married a second time. Does anyone know if there was an epidemic or a war in TRIER area between 1843 and 1847? Were there any unusual politics at this time? Thank you for your responses, Susan

I realize that the question about a space of nine years between children was answered by the possibility of the first wife dying and acquiring a second wife. When that is not the circumstance, such as with an intact marriage, it could be a case of Rh incompatibility in which case, an Rh Negative Mom could have developed antibodies against Rh Positive blood exposure in one of her early pregnancies. Although often subsequent children who have Rh positive blood factor might be born and develop jaundice, die after birth, or be retarded, in extreme cases, the developing infant could be aborted naturally because of the Mom's overactive immune system. Just a thought. Gretchen Leisen

Several months ago someone asked about two sentences (phonetically spelled) that were initially thought to be German but weren't. I didn't reply because I thought someone who spoke the language in question would have responded. But to my knowledge no one has answered the inquiry. The language in question is Lëtzebuergesch, a West Mosell Franconian derivative of the original Germanic language from which both modern English and German derive. The first sentence, which was spelled phonetically, would be written as follows: “Kanns du däitsch schwätzen?” “Can you speak German?” I don’t have the second sentence but I’d be willing to try to interpret it if the person who sent it is still interested. “Better late than never.” John F. Brunner