Hi Joe: My Schmitt ancestors came to Fond du Lac County, WI from Germany in August 1847 and say they came through "Port of Buffalo". I haven't found them in NY port records nor have I found them in any exit ports in Germany or France. Hope to try a Belgium port record sometime, if one is available. The Canadian port entry thought has been discussed on the list I see. So perhaps the Erie Canal transit route is what was used. I do know my Schmitt family came from Malborn, near Trier. Joanne (in CA) Joanne A. Smith Mello [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Schmitt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] German Ports > Kathy Lenerz [email protected] > > > Kathy, Thanks for your insight. I would like to pose one more related > question. An ancestor of mine settled in Jefferson County WI in 1847. He > stated in his first papers (citizenship) that he entered the US in "Buffalo, > NY". One cousin suggests he must have actually disembarked in NY and taken > the Erie Canal westward, as your typical route suggests. I have my doubts! > I wonder if he might have immigrated via Canada (Port of Montreal?) then > entered US at Buffalo. Since I haven't found any sources for "Buffalo > immigration" this remains a mute point! Would someone who actually arrived > in New York then traveled through Buffalo declare that he first entered US > at that port? I would appreciate any insight! Thanks, Joe Schmitt (CA) > > > aellis wrote: > > "I do not know what port my Grandfather, John Biever/Biewer left from near > Borg, Prussia, however, he came through the Port of Detroit in June 1873. > He was on his way to Wisconsin. Since Detroit is on the Great Lakes and > borders Canada, I assume he came down the St. Lawrence River. Was there a > special reason why they came through Great Lake Ports. > Alice" > > Alice, > Since the St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't built until the 1950s, it was not > possible for trans-Atlantic ships to travel to Detroit in 1873. Usually > passengers who took the water route to the Midwest disembarked in New York, > took a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then took the Erie Canal > across New York to Buffalo. There they caught a Great Lakes steamer, which > typically stopped in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Chicago. This was the typical > route in the 1850s, however by the 1870s trains were a better and more > frequent option for most immigrants. > Hope this helps, > Kathy Lenerz > > ______________________________

Joe, Montreal was a "popular" Canadian destination. From there, the immigrants who really wanted to go to the United States would head south to Vermont, or go west to Ottawa or Toronto, & beyond. Toronto is close to Buffalo. An easy crossing would be Niagara Falls Ontario to Niagara Falls, NY. (Look at the proximity of Niagara Falls to Buffalo.) 1847 happened to have been the worst year of the "Famine" in Ireland. I have 2 Irish ancestors who came in the late 1840s, who I suspect of coming through Canada. I have a book on the Irish "death ships". There was a small mention of a few "Germans" being on some of the ships. The majority of the "Irish" ships left Europe from Liverpool. It would have been easy enough to go to Liverpool to take a really cheap route to the new world. They could have taken a ferry from Oostend or one of the Flemish ports to England. Kathy Metzen Kathy Lenerz [email protected] Kathy, Thanks for your insight. I would like to pose one more related question. An ancestor of mine settled in Jefferson County WI in 1847. He stated in his first papers (citizenship) that he entered the US in "Buffalo, NY". One cousin suggests he must have actually disembarked in NY and taken the Erie Canal westward, as your typical route suggests. I have my doubts! I wonder if he might have immigrated via Canada (Port of Montreal?) then entered US at Buffalo. Since I haven't found any sources for "Buffalo immigration" this remains a mute point! Would someone who actually arrived in New York then traveled through Buffalo declare that he first entered US at that port? I would appreciate any insight! Thanks, Joe Schmitt (CA) aellis wrote: "I do not know what port my Grandfather, John Biever/Biewer left from near Borg, Prussia, however, he came through the Port of Detroit in June 1873. He was on his way to Wisconsin. Since Detroit is on the Great Lakes and borders Canada, I assume he came down the St. Lawrence River. Was there a special reason why they came through Great Lake Ports. Alice" Alice, Since the St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't built until the 1950s, it was not possible for trans-Atlantic ships to travel to Detroit in 1873. Usually passengers who took the water route to the Midwest disembarked in New York, took a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then took the Erie Canal across New York to Buffalo. There they caught a Great Lakes steamer, which typically stopped in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Chicago. This was the typical route in the 1850s, however by the 1870s trains were a better and more frequent option for most immigrants. Hope this helps, Kathy Lenerz ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Thank you all for the discussion on Great Lake Ports. Something I have heard is sometimes they may enter thru Canada's St. Alban's, that this is a possibility for those researching Great Lake Ports. It looks as though there are fewer records for Great Lake Ports. Again, thank you all. Alice kathy metzen wrote: > > Joe, > Montreal was a "popular" Canadian destination. From there, the immigrants who really wanted to go to the United States would head south to Vermont, or go west to Ottawa or Toronto, & beyond. Toronto is close to Buffalo. An easy crossing would be Niagara Falls Ontario to Niagara Falls, NY. (Look at the proximity of Niagara Falls to Buffalo.) > 1847 happened to have been the worst year of the "Famine" in Ireland. I have 2 Irish ancestors who came in the late 1840s, who I suspect of coming through Canada. I have a book on the Irish "death ships". There was a small mention of a few "Germans" being on some of the ships. The majority of the "Irish" ships left Europe from Liverpool. > It would have been easy enough to go to Liverpool to take a really cheap route to the new world. They could have taken a ferry from Oostend or one of the Flemish ports to England. > Kathy Metzen > > Kathy Lenerz [email protected] > > Kathy, Thanks for your insight. I would like to pose one more related > question. An ancestor of mine settled in Jefferson County WI in 1847. He > stated in his first papers (citizenship) that he entered the US in "Buffalo, > NY". One cousin suggests he must have actually disembarked in NY and taken > the Erie Canal westward, as your typical route suggests. I have my doubts! > I wonder if he might have immigrated via Canada (Port of Montreal?) then > entered US at Buffalo. Since I haven't found any sources for "Buffalo > immigration" this remains a mute point! Would someone who actually arrived > in New York then traveled through Buffalo declare that he first entered US > at that port? I would appreciate any insight! Thanks, Joe Schmitt (CA) > > aellis wrote: > > "I do not know what port my Grandfather, John Biever/Biewer left from near > Borg, Prussia, however, he came through the Port of Detroit in June 1873. > He was on his way to Wisconsin. Since Detroit is on the Great Lakes and > borders Canada, I assume he came down the St. Lawrence River. Was there a > special reason why they came through Great Lake Ports. > Alice" > > Alice, > Since the St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't built until the 1950s, it was not > possible for trans-Atlantic ships to travel to Detroit in 1873. Usually > passengers who took the water route to the Midwest disembarked in New York, > took a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then took the Erie Canal > across New York to Buffalo. There they caught a Great Lakes steamer, which > typically stopped in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Chicago. This was the typical > route in the 1850s, however by the 1870s trains were a better and more > frequent option for most immigrants. > Hope this helps, > Kathy Lenerz > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

This is very interesting. My ancestors who migrated from the Trier area also first settled in Buffalo NY for a few years before going on to Michigan. Michael Kramer, his father Mathias, his step-mother Helena Minich, his mother's relatives the Trierweilers, and his wife Angela Bruch all came from various little towns in the immediate vicinity of Trier. How or why the came to Michigan was not recorded, but many of the German families going to Michigan came by way of Buffalo as well, and perhaps met with my relatives who talked with them during their short stay in Buffalo. I have from the book "Of Pilgrimage Prayer and Promise" published by the Westphalia Michigan Historical Society in 1986, that does not include the route taken in the written text, but shows in map form that perhaps the most common route was through New York City, up the Hudson River to Albany/Troy, the Erie Canal to Buffalo, and then by steamboat to Detroit. While this may not be the final answer, I believe it leads a lot of creedence to the first thought. Joseph Miller Troy, Michigan > > Kathy, Thanks for your insight. I would like to pose one more related > > question. An ancestor of mine settled in Jefferson County WI in 1847. He > > stated in his first papers (citizenship) that he entered the US in "Buffalo, > > NY". One cousin suggests he must have actually disembarked in NY and taken > > the Erie Canal westward, as your typical route suggests. I have my doubts! > > I wonder if he might have immigrated via Canada (Port of Montreal?) then > > entered US at Buffalo. > > Joe, > I have heard of Buffalo being reported as an entry point before, but I > can't remember when or for whom. Your suggestion of Montreal as a > disembarkation port sounds plausible. I know that a lot from the British > Isles went that route, but I don't know about those from the Trier area. > Kathy > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Joe Schmitt wrote: > Kathy, Thanks for your insight. I would like to pose one more related > question. An ancestor of mine settled in Jefferson County WI in 1847. He > stated in his first papers (citizenship) that he entered the US in "Buffalo, > NY". One cousin suggests he must have actually disembarked in NY and taken > the Erie Canal westward, as your typical route suggests. I have my doubts! > I wonder if he might have immigrated via Canada (Port of Montreal?) then > entered US at Buffalo. Joe, I have heard of Buffalo being reported as an entry point before, but I can't remember when or for whom. Your suggestion of Montreal as a disembarkation port sounds plausible. I know that a lot from the British Isles went that route, but I don't know about those from the Trier area. Kathy

Researching in Luxembourg: ASSA - 1820-1850>>then Brookyn, USA KOEUNE - 1800-1850 in Harlengen>> then Brooklyn, USA Ed Hess

Kathy Lenerz [email protected] Kathy, Thanks for your insight. I would like to pose one more related question. An ancestor of mine settled in Jefferson County WI in 1847. He stated in his first papers (citizenship) that he entered the US in "Buffalo, NY". One cousin suggests he must have actually disembarked in NY and taken the Erie Canal westward, as your typical route suggests. I have my doubts! I wonder if he might have immigrated via Canada (Port of Montreal?) then entered US at Buffalo. Since I haven't found any sources for "Buffalo immigration" this remains a mute point! Would someone who actually arrived in New York then traveled through Buffalo declare that he first entered US at that port? I would appreciate any insight! Thanks, Joe Schmitt (CA) aellis wrote: "I do not know what port my Grandfather, John Biever/Biewer left from near Borg, Prussia, however, he came through the Port of Detroit in June 1873. He was on his way to Wisconsin. Since Detroit is on the Great Lakes and borders Canada, I assume he came down the St. Lawrence River. Was there a special reason why they came through Great Lake Ports. Alice" Alice, Since the St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't built until the 1950s, it was not possible for trans-Atlantic ships to travel to Detroit in 1873. Usually passengers who took the water route to the Midwest disembarked in New York, took a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then took the Erie Canal across New York to Buffalo. There they caught a Great Lakes steamer, which typically stopped in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Chicago. This was the typical route in the 1850s, however by the 1870s trains were a better and more frequent option for most immigrants. Hope this helps, Kathy Lenerz

aellis wrote: > > I do not know what port my Grandfather, John Biever/Biewer left from > near Borg, Prussia, however, he came through the Port of Detroit in June > 1873. He was on his way to Wisconsin. Since Detroit is on the Great > Lakes and borders Canada, I assume he came down the St. Lawrence River. > Was there a special reason why they came through Great Lake Ports. Alice Alice, Since the St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't built until the 1950s, it was not possible for trans-Atlantic ships to travel to Detroit in 1873. Usually passengers who took the water route to the Midwest disembarked in New York, took a steamer up the Hudson River to near Albany, then took the Erie Canal across New York to Buffalo. There they caught a Great Lakes steamer, which typically stopped in Detroit, Milwaukee, and Chicago. This was the typical route in the 1850s, however by the 1870s trains were a better and more frequent option for most immigrants. Hope this helps, Kathy Lenerz

Hello listers About départements of French Empire: 130 départements and not 9 exemple: -Départ Roer with Aachen/Aix la Chapelle -Départ Rhin et Moselle with Koblenz / Coblence -Départ de la Sarre with Trier/Trèves -Départ des Forêts with Luxembourg/town -Départ Mont Tonnerre ( borded by Nassau and Hessen ) -Départ Moselle was greater as aktuell ( with a part of Depart Meurthe et Moselle who did'nt exist at this time) I can send a map in jpg format from this area für Die es wünschen Aloyse Kratz > Karen B. Whitmer wrote: > Between 1795 and 1814, the Duchy of Luxembourg was one of the nine > departments (Department des Forets) of the French Republic. At the Congress > of Vienna in 1814, Luxembourg became a sovereign state and was assigned > personal union with William I, King of the Netherlands.

I do not know what port my Grandfather, John Biever/Biewer left from near Borg, Prussia, however, he came through the Port of Detroit in June 1873. He was on his way to Wisconsin. Since Detroit is on the Great Lakes and borders Canada, I assume he came down the St. Lawrence River. I have no idea the name of the boat. He was only 14 traveling with his sister Mary. Just adding information since the Great Lake Ports were not mentioned. Was there a special reason why they came through Great Lake Ports. Alice

Researching in Luxembourg: THILL - 1770-1850, Folschette/Folscheid >> the Brooklun, USA BIRTZ - 1770-1850, Boevange >> then Brooklyn, USA Ed Hess

Hi everyone! Thank you all for your help in answering my question about what ports my German ancestors who lived in Trier might have used when leaving for the USA. I have had a wonderful response and want to share my results. (I have ruled out that they left from Bremen or Bremerhaven). The number one suggestion was Antwerp, followed by LeHavre, then Brussels. One person looked up my ancestors on CD's that she had, eg. Germans to America, so that has been taken into account, also. Another person told me that there is no surviving list for LeHavre and another person suggested using naturalization records, if I knew the month of arrival. Your ideas have given me direction! Thank you!! Sincerely, Ann Marie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Hello, There is not only the town in East-Belgium. There are dozens of towns in Germany named Rodt (or that have the suffixes -rath, -rieth, -roth, -rodt, -rode), near Trier there is Rodt, today belonging to Zemmer, a village ca 15 Kilometers north of Trier or Rodt/Saar, today Taben-Rodt. The name has nothing to do with the color red. In the first document about Rodt near Trier (dating from 1036) it was called Rodre. That was a regular name for villages founded during the period of woodlands clearing (since the 9th ct.) in the middle ages (roden = root out, make arable). Thats the meaning of all Rodts/Roths or -raths or -rieths. There are lots of other villages in our region (and in Germany: Wuelfrath/Rhineland, Benrath, Herzogenrath, Heiligenrath, Roesrath, Luetzerath, Overrath and so on) with that meaning, for example Gusterath, Bonerath, Holzerath, Hupperath. Near Koblenz, in the Verbandsgemeinde Katzenellnbogen, there is a village "Roth" that has the same history (http://www.hamm-sieg.de/gemeinden/roth/geschichtliches.htm) as Rodt/Trier Before we had the first rules for german ortography in 1902, it was common to write as you spoke. And between Rod, Roth (the "th" is not spoken, it is pronounced as "t") and Rodt there is nearly no difference in pronounciation. Especially "t" and "d" were interchangeable. Regards, Ernst Mettlach ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Rodt/Roth > Does anyone know whether the surnames Rodt and Roth could be interchangeable > in Catholic records? The records are from the early 1800s. Jane/CO > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Ann Marie: My gr grandparents left Germany from Antwerp, arriving at the Port of New York April 1, 1881. I found all of the information as to the family sailing from Germany to New York from the books "Germans to America". There are several volumes, 1 through 50 something. I found these books at the Family History Library, LDS, in Provo, UT. If you live near a big city or perhaps a college, you may be able to find these books. Each volume is in alphabetical order, by family. I also found my other gr grandparent who sailed from Bremen to New York Sept. 26, 1885 in these books. Just thought I would share this information, may be of some help. Good Luck. Peggy Wurtz Atteberry Native of California, now living in Utah Researching: ANDERSON, ATTEBERRY, CAMPBELL, CLEMONS, HUMPHREY, JAMISON, JUNKERSFELD, KEELING, KELLISON, LYNCH, MITCHELL, MURRAY, OWENS, STEVENS, WURTZ See my Website: http://pj_fam.homestead.com/hist.html Go to my Gedcom: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=attebaby

For research in Luxembourg this is a good place to start. Just follow the links. http://www.rootsweb.com/~luxwgw/index.htm Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kaselnak" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Luxembourg > Thank you for all the information that you sent for locating > Luxembourg. I really appreciate the time and effort that you put into > helping me find the location for my great grandfather's family. I just > got the location from the 1930 Census. Before that it was always just > Germany. > > Many thanks. Mary Anne > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > >

Roth is near Vianden. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Miller Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Rodt/Roth I have two ancestral lines with the Rodt name, and my best guess is probably not. Rodt refers to a town in the German speaking part of Belgium, with many individuals taking the town name as their family name. The "th" consonant is not used (frequently) in the German language, but most believe Roth to be a Yiddish variation of "rot" which is the German word for "red". So unless somebody knows something that I don't.... Best wishes with your research. Joe > Does anyone know whether the surnames Rodt and Roth could be interchangeable > in Catholic records? The records are from the early 1800s. Jane/CO ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hi Mary Ann---I don`t know if anyone has replied to you but Luxembourg is a separate country and not located in Germany. It is a Grand Duchy. Look down in the southwestern corner of Germany, next to that.----Barb

I have two ancestral lines with the Rodt name, and my best guess is probably not. Rodt refers to a town in the German speaking part of Belgium, with many individuals taking the town name as their family name. The "th" consonant is not used (frequently) in the German language, but most believe Roth to be a Yiddish variation of "rot" which is the German word for "red". So unless somebody knows something that I don't.... Best wishes with your research. Joe > Does anyone know whether the surnames Rodt and Roth could be interchangeable > in Catholic records? The records are from the early 1800s. Jane/CO

Jeannette, I'm also researching Brands in Trier so I took a look at Tom Picks web site under the town of Schoenecken where my family is from and there are Brands and also a Franzen listed there. The name Matthias & Marie are under both. I also have Brands in Seffern. Tom Pick's Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pick Hope this helps, Sally in Wisconsin >I was doing some digging at Rootsweb and discovered this list. I am hoping my question falls in the category of 'acceptable' for this list. If not, I apologize in advance! =-=-=-=-=-=-= I have been trying to find both the when my great great grandparents arrived in the US and where they came from. I stumbled across a database of baptisms from a church in Chicago stating they came from 'Trier'. I have someone researching for me in Germany but she's not having much luck. I understand Trier is both a 'region' as well as a very old and very large city. One of the daughters-in-law came from the area as well. My researcher came across a large population of those with the surname 'Faymonville'. So far, she's not had much luck with finding Mathias Brand or his bride, Anna Marie Franzen. What I know about Anna Marie is that she also had a sister, Clara. The ladies could have had a brother named either Mathias or Mathew. They could also have had a cousin with a surname of Boesen. I am certain Mathias Brand and Anna Franzen married in the US (but this is still a guess on my part...) From looking at their death certificates, I am also guessing they arrived in the mid 1850's. What is interesting about this couple is that they named one of their sons, John Valentin(e) Brand. I have found a few references to the given name, Valentin and/or Valentine Brand but have no way to connect them with my ancestors. Unfortunately, the only record I am aware of which would provide ALL my answers was destroyed in the Great Chicago fire of 1870. I'd love to hear from anyone with suggestions. Better yet, I'd love to hear from anyone with a connection! Jeannette Harper Email: [email protected] Web: http:freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~budlink

Thank you for all the information that you sent for locating Luxembourg. I really appreciate the time and effort that you put into helping me find the location for my great grandfather's family. I just got the location from the 1930 Census. Before that it was always just Germany. Many thanks. Mary Anne