I would appreciate help on the following Bitburg area surnames: Roehler from Hutterscheid, Stalbush from Hutterscheid, Bill and Barg from Orenhofer, would like to hear from anyone working with these families. Thanks Ralph

My Bangart ancestors are from Trimport, Auw, and Wolsfeld. I am interested in photos of these places, including churches. Is there a website or other source for such photos? Duane E. Lamers [email protected] --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup

Laura, ShtetlSeeker shows Orenhofen is 7 miles SE of Bitburg. >From: "howard/laura" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Bitburg, Germany > >Can anyone tell me If Orenhofen, Germany was in the Bitburg area of >Prussia? My GGrandmother was from Orenhofen and she listed Prussia on the >census. Thanls for the help. Laura

Hi Mike, No I don't live in Borg. I just was born not far from there. For the spelling change, you know at that time the spelling of names wasn't fixed by rules. People wrote the names as they heard them... with all the variations possible and if someone had moreover an accent or the other didn't hear well you can imagine the result. So probably you could find the name of your ancestor spelled "Fuchs" for example and it would be absolutely logic for a german ear :-) I have found several of my own ancestors whose names had big changes on first look, but when I take the time to say them loud, I find that it's always the same name. Barbara ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Mike Fox" <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : jeudi 20 juin 2002 23:15 Objet : RE: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg Chronicle > Hi Barbara > > My G7Grandfather, Matthias FUX, died in Borg about 1694. Thanks for the > chronicle. Do you live in Borg? > > Interestingly, the family surname, FUX, was spelled FOX in the 1767 > records of his marriage to Anna Esch in Sinz. Wish I could find the > reason for this change of spelling to what I'd call the English version. > > Mike Fox > San Antonio, Texas > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: barbara schnubel [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:34 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg Chronicle > > > > Here at last the whole translation, revised and all. Thanks to > Marvin. > > > > Barbara > > > > History of Borg > > Today I want to tell something about the history of Borg. We have a > > chronicle of Borg which was written by a teacher. It is the only book > > written about the history of Borg. > > > > BORG - Where did the name come from? In an old registry book of the > > minister of Dahlem (1853-1872) it is stated that the town got its name > > from a man called "Borger". This man was the first one to settle down > in > > Borg. In 1832 there was a house which was called "Bogerhaus", (house > of > > Borger). A new school was also built in 1832. In the course of time, > > the name has not always remained the same. One very old form was > > "Bourich(e)". In a document from 1718, it was written as "Borrig". > > Ever since the time of the Romans, there has been a kind of roman > > settlement (over the years it has been digged out - more on this in > > another report) > > > > In the 14th century Borg belonged to the Duchy of Luxembourg and > thus > > it belonged to Remich. Through marriages and heritage between the > > reigning houses, there were many changes of it's proprietors. Thus > > Borg became: Burgundy in 1443, Spanish in 1555, and Austrian in 1714. > > Before 1430, the Lords of Sierck ( France today) were the Lords of > Borg. > > About 1550 the Lords of Raville received the foundation means and the > > high jurisdiction of Borg. In the 17th century the Lords of > Criechingen > > followed. After these, all high jurisdiction went to the "Karthuser", > > the monks in the Abbey of St. Alban near of Trier. The Lords of > > Criechingen left their estates to the inhabitants of Borg who had to > > give fruit and life annuities to the Lordship each year. The life > > annuity was abolished in 1847. > > > > After all this changing history, in 1815 the congress of Wien > decided > > the Prussian municipality to be part of the district of Saarburg in > the > > administrative area of Trier. Not until 1946 did the municipality of > > Borg become part of the Saarland. > > > > My husband Rudolf has been the chairman of Borg since 1974. > > > > > > More information on the history of Borg. > > > > Hi, > > > > Now I want to write to you the rest of the information from the > > Chronicle of Borg. > > > > In 1452, Borg belonged to the estates of Wilhelm von Manderscheid. > > During a family feud, the whole village was burnt out. From 1701 to > > 1714, during Spanish War of Succession, Borg, as well as the whole > > countryside arround Trier, suffered much under the French occupying > > troops. Trier itself also suffered much during the various wars and > > clashes of the following years in that century. Borg belonged to the > > Electorate of Trier until August the 9th, 1794; more precisely to the > > county of Luxembourg. The invasion of Trier by the French brought the > > end of the Electorate. The last Elector was Clemens Wenseslaus. He > had > > to leave his archbishopric for ever. At the peace of Campo Forino on > > October the 17th.1797, the whole Electorate went to the French > Republic > > and later, at the peace of Luneville, on February the 9th 1801, it was > > ceded to France with the left bank of the Rhine river. After the War > > of Liberation against Napoleon in the year 1814, the Rhineland was > again > > giv! > > en to Prussia. > > > > The French-German war of 1870-1871 > > > > At the beginning of July 1870, the political situation intensified > to > > a point that fear and worry filled the hearts of the people. On > > July the 15th. there was talk about the declaration of war that was > to > > come and an order for general mobilization arrived. The Prussian > troops > > advanced in great columns from Saarburg in the direction of Lorraine. > > Diedenhofen and Metz were besieged. Old people still tell about the > big > > supply columns and cattle herds (meat for the soldiers) which were > > driven through Borg. When the war ended in 1871, people planted > "peace > > oaks" everywhere. In Borg 3 oaks were planted. > > > > 1914-1918 - The First World War. > > > > July 2nd, 1917 - The bells of the church were confiscated as war > > material. On November 8th, 1918 - The flow of the German Army > returned > > through Borg. A commandant and lieutenants were quartered in the > > Presbytery. During the night many soldiers secretly deserted. > > November 10th, 1918 - The Americans arrived. They took up quarters > in > > the village and stayed for several weeks. > > 1939-1945 - Second World War > > > > The following are only the most important entries from the > Chronicle. > > > > Borg had been emptied on September 1st, 1939. This meant that the > > people were evacuated, because of the war danger on the French-German > > border, on the right bank of the Rhine. On June 22, 1940 - The > > inhabitants of Borg were allowed to return home. They found their > > church was destroyed. A German Lieutenant had blown up the church > tower > > for "strategic reasons". > > On November 17th, 1944, Borg is, for the first time, bombarded by > the > > Americans. On November 19th, 1944 Borg is occupied by the Americans. > > From December 16th to 27th, 1944, the Germans mounted a counter- > > offensive in the Ardennes. > > The inhabitants of Borg again were evacuated, this time by the > > Americans to Hemmersdorf in Saarland. When the people came back to > > their village in the spring of 1945, they found their cattle had > > perished in their stalls or in the fields. > > > > May 1945 - End of the second world war. > > > > Dears, > > > > This information that I have written was taken from the Chronicle of > > Borg. > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Can anyone tell me If Orenhofen, Germany was in the Bitburg area of Prussia? My GGrandmother was from Orenhofen and she listed Prussia on the census. Thanls for the help. Laura xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret".

Mike, Several people in the Bitburg area told me that town names & even the names of people & their spellings were changed when the French & Napoleon came in and then again when the Prussians came in, after the Congress of Vienna. I assume, by posting this, that if that is not correct, either Ernst of Werner will correct me. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Fox Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg Chronicle Hi Barbara My G7Grandfather, Matthias FUX, died in Borg about 1694. Thanks for the chronicle. Do you live in Borg? Interestingly, the family surname, FUX, was spelled FOX in the 1767 records of his marriage to Anna Esch in Sinz. Wish I could find the reason for this change of spelling to what I'd call the English version. Mike Fox San Antonio, Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: barbara schnubel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg Chronicle > > Here at last the whole translation, revised and all. Thanks to Marvin. > > Barbara > > History of Borg > Today I want to tell something about the history of Borg. We have a > chronicle of Borg which was written by a teacher. It is the only book > written about the history of Borg. > > BORG - Where did the name come from? In an old registry book of the > minister of Dahlem (1853-1872) it is stated that the town got its name > from a man called "Borger". This man was the first one to settle down in > Borg. In 1832 there was a house which was called "Bogerhaus", (house of > Borger). A new school was also built in 1832. In the course of time, > the name has not always remained the same. One very old form was > "Bourich(e)". In a document from 1718, it was written as "Borrig". > Ever since the time of the Romans, there has been a kind of roman > settlement (over the years it has been digged out - more on this in > another report) > > In the 14th century Borg belonged to the Duchy of Luxembourg and thus > it belonged to Remich. Through marriages and heritage between the > reigning houses, there were many changes of it's proprietors. Thus > Borg became: Burgundy in 1443, Spanish in 1555, and Austrian in 1714. > Before 1430, the Lords of Sierck ( France today) were the Lords of Borg. > About 1550 the Lords of Raville received the foundation means and the > high jurisdiction of Borg. In the 17th century the Lords of Criechingen > followed. After these, all high jurisdiction went to the "Karthuser", > the monks in the Abbey of St. Alban near of Trier. The Lords of > Criechingen left their estates to the inhabitants of Borg who had to > give fruit and life annuities to the Lordship each year. The life > annuity was abolished in 1847. > > After all this changing history, in 1815 the congress of Wien decided > the Prussian municipality to be part of the district of Saarburg in the > administrative area of Trier. Not until 1946 did the municipality of > Borg become part of the Saarland. > > My husband Rudolf has been the chairman of Borg since 1974. > > > More information on the history of Borg. > > Hi, > > Now I want to write to you the rest of the information from the > Chronicle of Borg. > > In 1452, Borg belonged to the estates of Wilhelm von Manderscheid. > During a family feud, the whole village was burnt out. From 1701 to > 1714, during Spanish War of Succession, Borg, as well as the whole > countryside arround Trier, suffered much under the French occupying > troops. Trier itself also suffered much during the various wars and > clashes of the following years in that century. Borg belonged to the > Electorate of Trier until August the 9th, 1794; more precisely to the > county of Luxembourg. The invasion of Trier by the French brought the > end of the Electorate. The last Elector was Clemens Wenseslaus. He had > to leave his archbishopric for ever. At the peace of Campo Forino on > October the 17th.1797, the whole Electorate went to the French Republic > and later, at the peace of Luneville, on February the 9th 1801, it was > ceded to France with the left bank of the Rhine river. After the War > of Liberation against Napoleon in the year 1814, the Rhineland was again > giv! > en to Prussia. > > The French-German war of 1870-1871 > > At the beginning of July 1870, the political situation intensified to > a point that fear and worry filled the hearts of the people. On > July the 15th. there was talk about the declaration of war that was to > come and an order for general mobilization arrived. The Prussian troops > advanced in great columns from Saarburg in the direction of Lorraine. > Diedenhofen and Metz were besieged. Old people still tell about the big > supply columns and cattle herds (meat for the soldiers) which were > driven through Borg. When the war ended in 1871, people planted "peace > oaks" everywhere. In Borg 3 oaks were planted. > > 1914-1918 - The First World War. > > July 2nd, 1917 - The bells of the church were confiscated as war > material. On November 8th, 1918 - The flow of the German Army returned > through Borg. A commandant and lieutenants were quartered in the > Presbytery. During the night many soldiers secretly deserted. > November 10th, 1918 - The Americans arrived. They took up quarters in > the village and stayed for several weeks. > 1939-1945 - Second World War > > The following are only the most important entries from the Chronicle. > > Borg had been emptied on September 1st, 1939. This meant that the > people were evacuated, because of the war danger on the French-German > border, on the right bank of the Rhine. On June 22, 1940 - The > inhabitants of Borg were allowed to return home. They found their > church was destroyed. A German Lieutenant had blown up the church tower > for "strategic reasons". > On November 17th, 1944, Borg is, for the first time, bombarded by the > Americans. On November 19th, 1944 Borg is occupied by the Americans. > From December 16th to 27th, 1944, the Germans mounted a counter- > offensive in the Ardennes. > The inhabitants of Borg again were evacuated, this time by the > Americans to Hemmersdorf in Saarland. When the people came back to > their village in the spring of 1945, they found their cattle had > perished in their stalls or in the fields. > > May 1945 - End of the second world war. > > Dears, > > This information that I have written was taken from the Chronicle of > Borg. > > > > > ______________________________ ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

For those interested in the history of Borg, you may be interested in the following website : http://www.roemischevillaborg.de/ It's in German only, but there are many pictures about the roman villa that has been digged out and where they organize activities rememoring the time of the Romans. Barbara : > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Barbara > > > > > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > > > De : "aellis" <[email protected]> > > > À : <[email protected]> > > > Envoyé : mardi 11 juin 2002 08:05 > > > Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] English Translation > > > > > > > Here is the second e-mail I received about the History of Borg in > German > > > > that I'm unable to translate into English. The Alta Vista Translator > > > > only gives the drift of the subject matter. > > > > > > > > Subject: 2. Weitere Information über die Geschichte von Borg > > > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > > > nun will ich Ihnen weiter Information aus der Chronik von Borg > > > > schreiben. > > > > > > > > 1452 Borg gehört zum Eigentum des Wilheim von Manderscheid. - Bei > einer > > > > Familienfehde wurde das gesamte Dorg verbrannt. > > > > > > > > Von 1701 bis 1714 spanische Erbfolgekrieg. Borg sowie das gesamte > > > > Trierer Land leidet sehr unter den französischen Beatzungen. > > > > > > > > Auch in den verschiedenen kriegerischen Auseinandersetzungen der > > > > folgenden Jahre in diesem Jahrhundert litt das Trierer Land aehr. > > > > > > > > Borg gehörte bis 9.8.1794 zum Kurfürstentum Trier und zwar Grafschaft > > > > Luxemburg. Der Einmarsch der Franzosen in Trier brachte das Ende das > > > > Kurfürstentums.Der letzte Kurfürst war Clemens Wenzeslaus. Er musste > > > > sein Erzbistum für immer verlassen. Im Frieden von Campo Forino vom > > > > 17.10.1797 ging das ganze Kurfürstentum an die franz. Republik über > und > > > > wurde später im Frieden von Luneville vom 9.Februar 1801 mit dem > linken > > > > Rheinufer an Frankreich abgetreten. > > > > > > > > Nach dem Befreiungskrieg gegen Napolen im Jahr 1814 wurde das > Rheinland > > > > wieder Preußen zugeteilt. > > > > > > > > Der deutsch-französische Krieg von 1870 - 1871 > > > > > > > > Anfang Juli 1870 spitzte sich die politische Lage so zu, dass Angst > > > > und Sorge die Gemüter erfülite. > > > > > > > > Am 15. Juli sprach man von der bestimmt zu erwartenden Kriegserklärung > > > > und es kam die Mobilmachungsorder heraus. > > > > > > > > Die preußischen Truppen rückten in großen Kolonnen von Saarburg her > > > > kommend in Richtung Lothringen. > > > > Diedenhofen und Metz wurden belagert. Die alten Leute erzählten noch > von > > > > den großen Versorgungskolonnen und Viehherden (Fleisch für die > Soldaten) > > > > die durch Borg getrieben wurden. > > > > > > > > Als der Krieg 1871 beendet wurde, pflanzten die Menschen überall > > > > "Friedenseichen". Auch in Borg wurden 3 Eichen gepflanzt. > > > > > > > > 1914-1918 - 1. Weltkrieg > > > > > > > > In der Chronik steht: > > > > > > > > 2.Juli 1917 - Die Kirchenglocken werden für Kriegsmaterial requiriert. > > > > > > > > 8.November 1918 - Rückfluten der deutschen Armee durch Borg. Ein > > > > Kommandeur und Leutnants sind im > > > > Pfarrhaus einquartiert. In der Nacht sind viele Soldaten heimlich > > > > abgerückt. > > > > > > > > 10. November 1918 - Die Amerikaner rücken ein. Sie machen Quartier im > > > > Ort und bleiben einige Wochen. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1939-1945 - 2.Weltkrieg > > > > > > > > Hier nur die wichtigsten Eintragungen aus der Chronik. > > > > > > > > > > > > Borg wurde am 1. September 1939 geräumt. Das heisst die Menschen > wurden, > > > > wegen der Kriegsgefahr an der deutsch/französischen Grenze, auf die > > > > rechte Rheinseite evakuiert. > > > > > > > > 22. Juni 1940-Die Einwohner von Borg können wieder heimkehren. - Die > > > > Borger fanden ihre Pfarrkirche zerstört vor. Ein deutscher Leutnant > > > > hatte den Kirchturm aus "strategischen Gründen" gesprengt. > > > > > > > > Am 17. November 1944 wurde Borg erstmals von den Amerikanem > beschossen. > > > > > > > > Am.19. November 1944 wurde Borg von den Amerikanerm besetzt. > > > > > > > > Vom 16. -27.December 1944-deutsche Gegenoffensive in den Ardennen, Die > > > > Bevölkerung (auch Borg) wurde von den Amerikanerm evakuiert. (diesmal > > > > ins Saarland nach Hemmersdorf). Als die Menschen im Frühjhr 1945 > wieder > > > > in ihre Dörfer zurückkehren konnten, fanden sie ihr Vieh in den > Ställen > > > > oder auf den Feiderm verendet vor. > > > > > > > > Mai 1945 - Der zweite Weltkrieg ist beendet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Liebe, > > > > dieses ist die Information die ich aus der Borger Chronik heraus > > > > geschrieben habe. > > > > > > > > Geschichtliches über http://www.saarland.de und das Trierer Land über > > > > http://www.Trier.de im Internet erhalten. Interessante Internetseite > ist > > > > auch http://www.romischevillaborg.de > > > > > > > > > > > > Liebe, > > > > nun werde ich einige Tage nicht schreiben können, da ich ab morgen > > > > meiner Mutter bei den Vorbeitung ihres 70, Geburts-tages helfen werde. > > > > Sobald es meine Zeit wieder zulässt werde ich Ihre weiteren Fragen > > > > beantworten. Informationen z.B Ober Rettel muss ich mir erst einmal > > > > selbst besorgen. > > > > > > > > Es mscht mir übrigens sehr viel Freude alle Informationen mit ihnen zu > > > > teilen. Auch ich bin allem interessiert wie und wo unsere Verwandten > in > > > > Amerika leben. > > > > > > > > Thank you for any assistance or interpretation from some kind person. > I > > > > felt this was important information to know. Alice > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > > > to unsubscribe > > > > >

I think there is a high probability that they may be related. Eva MICHELS, daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN/THELAN/THIELEN, married Christian LIENGER/LINGER--also from teh Trier area of Prussia. George MICHELS settled first in Belgium, Wisconsin: Patentee Name; State; County; Issue Date Land Office Doc.; Nr. Accession MICHELS, GEORGE WI Ozaukee 2/10/1848 Milwaukee 23440 WI2930__.373 MICHELS, GEORGE WI Washington 5/1/1855 Milwaukee 36033 WI3180__.156 Christian's father and some other sibs moved up to Stearns county, Minnesota about 1860. Susan [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Schmitt" <[email protected]> To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > Might this be the same Michels family resident at Belgium, Ozaukee Co. c. > 1857. Henry (Heinrich) Michels, son of Michael & Angelika Michels, born c. > 1829, married Anna Neis, daughter of Lorenz Neis and Christina Schueller > from Dreis, Canton Daun, Trier. This family moved on to MN (Meiers Grove) > then Uniontown, Washington state. I seek any additional information. Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:22 PM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > Posting new info which Werner found and wish to thank Werner publicly and > > personally! > > > > WOW!!! I always thought there was a family connection with the WEBER's, > > because they were sponsors/godparents on some of the baptismal records. > > > > There are also SCHNEIDERs in that same area: > > Petri Schneider married Apolonia Schmits and had the following children: > > > > John Schneider who married Ana Christina Holzhem (b. May 30, 1862-died > ???). > > They were married on November 24, 1885. > > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee Falls), > > Wisconsin indicate that Anna Christina Holzhem was born 30 May 1862 and > > baptized 1 June 1862. Her baptismal sponsors were: Georgio MICHELS and > > Christina FUSS. > > Marriage record: > > She married on 24 November 1885 to Joannum Schneider of Minnesota, s/o > > Petrie Schneider and Apolonia Schmits (spelled as recorded in Catholic > > Records). Witnesses for the marriage included Engelberto Lehman and Ana > > Holzem. > > > > and > > > > Engelburt Schneider who married Ana Maria Holzhem. Ana Maria Holzhem was > > born on February 10, 1864 in Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > This marriage took place in 1877. > > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee Falls), > > Wisconsin indicate that Ana Maria was born 10 February 1864 and baptized > 14 > > February 1864. Her sponsors were: Henry FUSS and Ana Maria MICHELS. > > > > She married Engelburtum SCHNEIDER of Minnesota, s/o Petri Schneider and > > Apolonia Schmitz (as spelled this time in the church records), in 1877--no > > specific month or date was recorded. Witnesses for this marriage > included: > > Chrysanthi Len---(unreadable) and Elizabeth Holzem > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Werner Lichter" <[email protected]> > > To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; "TRIER-ROOTS" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:29 AM > > Subject: Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > Dear Susan and all the others, > > > what an interesting mail. > > > Let me send you the datas of this Michels family: > > > > > > (datas from the familybook of "Schankweiler, from Werner Naumann , page > > > 145) > > > > > > Barthel MICHELS > > > a teacher > > > born in unknown > > > death 05 Nov. 1856 in Holsthum > > > > > > married before 1833 in unknown to > > > > > > Margaretha Weber > > > born in unknown > > > died in USA unknown > > > > > > this family moved (for teaching) before February 1833 to Holsthum. There > > > the following children where born: > > > 1. 02.12.1833 Catharina > > > 2. 03.31.1838 Anna Clara > > > 3. 09.25.1840 Anton (to USA in 1857) > > > 4. 12.31.1843 Leonard > > > 5. 12.30.1848 Johann Philipp > > > The first emigrant from this family was Anton Michels. In his "permisson > > > to emigrate" her wrote: > > > "My mother is the widdow of the teacher Batholomaeus (called Barthel) > > > Michels who died at September 5th last year here in Holsthum. She has a > > > sister who´s married in the state of Wisconsin. She wants to have me > > > with her. For that she has sent a socalled Mr. Peter Schneider from > > > Bettendorf to me to bring me to her in USA. He is working since two > > > years at her (farm ?). Now I am ready (with the permission of my mother) > > > to emigrate on October 10th to Wisconsin. Date of prussian Certificate > > > of Permission September 7th 1857. > > > I am shure that the complete family emigrated after 1857 and I think > > > this happened before 1869. > > > It is possible to clear where Mr. Bathel Michels was born, because we > > > have the date of death. The civil records will tell where he was born > > > and who were his parents. > > > There was no Lenger living in that parish of Schankweiler (containing > > > the towns of Holsthum, Peffingen and Schankweiler). > > > Treves is the french name for Trier (government district of Trier or > > > city of Trier, both is correcht). > > > Holzem is the slang variation of three towns: > > > a. Holsthum (called Holzem) , Irrel county, district of Bitburg-Pruem, > > > state of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; > > > b. Holzem (called Holzem) , community of Mamer, Luxemburg; > > > c. Holzthum (called Holtzem), community of Consthum, Luxemburg. > > > Maybe there are other "Holzem`s" in lorrain (France) or Belgium > > > (province of Luxemburg), but I don´t know yet. > > > Emigrants with the name "Holzem" came from the county of Daun, district > > > of Trier, Germany in 1869 and 1873: > > > Christian Holzem, age 35, from Boxberg in 1873 > > > Elisabeth Holzem, age 2, from Boxberg in 1873, > > > Gertrud Holzem, age 27, from Boxberg in 1873, > > > Johann Peter Holzem, age 58, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > Magdalena Holzem, age 59, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > Magdalena Holzem, age 32, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > Peter Holzem, age 20, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > Peter Holzem, age 4, from Boxberg in 1869, > > > Vincenz Holzem, age 8, from Boxberg in 1873 > > > Boxberg is in the parish of Beinhausen, Heyroth in the rarish of > > > Niederehe. They are close together. The thelen and Michels names are > > > located in this area, too !!!!! Perhaps the Michels family Mrs. Nokes is > > > researching came from this area, too ? It is possible, because the > > > combination Michels-Thelen is typical for this region in the county of > > > Daun ! > > > > > > > > > yours sincerely > > > > > > Werner Lichter > > > > > > > > > > > > ##################################### > > > I thought I'd play out a "hunch" again... > > > I kept feeling like there was some connection to the LENGER's moving to > > > Jefferson County--aside from the fact that people would need to migrate > > > west to stake land claims... The obituary for George MICHELS said that > > > his body was "returned to his family in Jefferson for burial"....while > > > back in Wisconsin last year--I traveled many country roads all around > > > Jefferson County--stopping at numerous cemeteries...At St. Lawrence > > > Cemetery, which is located on Hwy 18 out of Jefferson and toward > > > Milwaukee...I found out that a Priest by the name of Rev. Anthony > > > (Anton) MICHAELS had pastored there.. So I wrote to the Archdiocease of > > > Milwaukee a few weeks back--and said that I had searched the graveyard > > > at St. Lawrence and had not located the grave for Father MICHAELS..and > > > wondered if they had any records about his ministry or where he might be > > > buried... > > > This is what they sent me: > > > Rev. Anthony (Anton) Francis MICHAELS Born September 25, 1840 at > > > Holsthum (Treves) Germany Studied at St. Francis Seminary Ordained > > > August 12, 1868 in Milwaukee by Bishop Melchers of Green Bay for the > > > diocease of Milwaukee Came to the diocease as a boy in 1857. As priest > > > in 1868. Came from Treves, Germany Incorporated into this diocease in > > > 1868. Stationed at present St. Joseph's Convent in Milwaukee Formerly: > > > St. Matthias, Beloit Rd.; St. Boniface, Germantown; Teachers Seminary, > > > St. Francis; St. Laurence near Jefferson; St. Martin's, Ashford; St. > > > Matthew's, New Castle; Winona, Minn. as chaplainto School Sisters of St. > > > Francis; St. Joseph's Convent as its spiritual director. He died as the > > > spiritual director of the School Sisters of St. Francis, Milwaukee. > > > Died: July 18, 1911. Buried in Calvary Cemetery, Milwaukee > > > ------------------ > > > There are two sources of information about him and one varies in > > > information regarding his ordination. The second record states that he > > > was ordained by Bishop J. M. Henni at St. Francis on August 12, 1868. > > > The record > > > above is the most complete with only the ordination information varying. > > > This ends what they sent to me... OK--I may be grasping at > > > straws--but--- > > > Notice the name of the town he was said to have born in: Holsthum... > > > How closely this resembles the name HOLZEM or HOLZHEM.... > > > Ann MICHELS, the daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN > > > married a Jacob HOLZEM on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > > > Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Jacob's parents were : Christian > > > HOLZEM and Clementina (maiden name unknown). Ann MICHEL's sister was Eva > > > MICHELS who married Christian LENGER in a > > > dual marriage ceremony on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, Fussville, > > > Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > > I have information which says: "St. Martin's mission parish was founded > > > in July 1846. The congregation > > > consisting of 21 German families, was attended by the St. Anthony pastor > > > every week before and after it had its own resident pastors. St.Martin's > > > mission school was conducted by two Chriatian Brothers from > > > 1847-1849...." Could those two "Christian Brothers" have been Christian > > > Lenger (husband of Elizabeth Glesius) and Christian Holzem (father of > > > Jacob Holzem)??? I realize that monks or acolytes are also known as > > > "Brothers" in the Catholic church...but it seems strange that all of > > > these families were in that area at the same time. Coincidence???? > > > Could our families have been responsible for the building of that > > > church?? Could they have moved to Jefferson after the ordination of > > > Rev. Anton MICHAELS who then pastored at St. Laurence just outside of > > > Jefferson??? Just a few questions--hoping I might find the answers... > > > Fellow researcher, Susan > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > >

Hi Barbara My G7Grandfather, Matthias FUX, died in Borg about 1694. Thanks for the chronicle. Do you live in Borg? Interestingly, the family surname, FUX, was spelled FOX in the 1767 records of his marriage to Anna Esch in Sinz. Wish I could find the reason for this change of spelling to what I'd call the English version. Mike Fox San Antonio, Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: barbara schnubel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg Chronicle > > Here at last the whole translation, revised and all. Thanks to Marvin. > > Barbara > > History of Borg > Today I want to tell something about the history of Borg. We have a > chronicle of Borg which was written by a teacher. It is the only book > written about the history of Borg. > > BORG - Where did the name come from? In an old registry book of the > minister of Dahlem (1853-1872) it is stated that the town got its name > from a man called "Borger". This man was the first one to settle down in > Borg. In 1832 there was a house which was called "Bogerhaus", (house of > Borger). A new school was also built in 1832. In the course of time, > the name has not always remained the same. One very old form was > "Bourich(e)". In a document from 1718, it was written as "Borrig". > Ever since the time of the Romans, there has been a kind of roman > settlement (over the years it has been digged out - more on this in > another report) > > In the 14th century Borg belonged to the Duchy of Luxembourg and thus > it belonged to Remich. Through marriages and heritage between the > reigning houses, there were many changes of it's proprietors. Thus > Borg became: Burgundy in 1443, Spanish in 1555, and Austrian in 1714. > Before 1430, the Lords of Sierck ( France today) were the Lords of Borg. > About 1550 the Lords of Raville received the foundation means and the > high jurisdiction of Borg. In the 17th century the Lords of Criechingen > followed. After these, all high jurisdiction went to the "Karthuser", > the monks in the Abbey of St. Alban near of Trier. The Lords of > Criechingen left their estates to the inhabitants of Borg who had to > give fruit and life annuities to the Lordship each year. The life > annuity was abolished in 1847. > > After all this changing history, in 1815 the congress of Wien decided > the Prussian municipality to be part of the district of Saarburg in the > administrative area of Trier. Not until 1946 did the municipality of > Borg become part of the Saarland. > > My husband Rudolf has been the chairman of Borg since 1974. > > > More information on the history of Borg. > > Hi, > > Now I want to write to you the rest of the information from the > Chronicle of Borg. > > In 1452, Borg belonged to the estates of Wilhelm von Manderscheid. > During a family feud, the whole village was burnt out. From 1701 to > 1714, during Spanish War of Succession, Borg, as well as the whole > countryside arround Trier, suffered much under the French occupying > troops. Trier itself also suffered much during the various wars and > clashes of the following years in that century. Borg belonged to the > Electorate of Trier until August the 9th, 1794; more precisely to the > county of Luxembourg. The invasion of Trier by the French brought the > end of the Electorate. The last Elector was Clemens Wenseslaus. He had > to leave his archbishopric for ever. At the peace of Campo Forino on > October the 17th.1797, the whole Electorate went to the French Republic > and later, at the peace of Luneville, on February the 9th 1801, it was > ceded to France with the left bank of the Rhine river. After the War > of Liberation against Napoleon in the year 1814, the Rhineland was again > giv! > en to Prussia. > > The French-German war of 1870-1871 > > At the beginning of July 1870, the political situation intensified to > a point that fear and worry filled the hearts of the people. On > July the 15th. there was talk about the declaration of war that was to > come and an order for general mobilization arrived. The Prussian troops > advanced in great columns from Saarburg in the direction of Lorraine. > Diedenhofen and Metz were besieged. Old people still tell about the big > supply columns and cattle herds (meat for the soldiers) which were > driven through Borg. When the war ended in 1871, people planted "peace > oaks" everywhere. In Borg 3 oaks were planted. > > 1914-1918 - The First World War. > > July 2nd, 1917 - The bells of the church were confiscated as war > material. On November 8th, 1918 - The flow of the German Army returned > through Borg. A commandant and lieutenants were quartered in the > Presbytery. During the night many soldiers secretly deserted. > November 10th, 1918 - The Americans arrived. They took up quarters in > the village and stayed for several weeks. > 1939-1945 - Second World War > > The following are only the most important entries from the Chronicle. > > Borg had been emptied on September 1st, 1939. This meant that the > people were evacuated, because of the war danger on the French-German > border, on the right bank of the Rhine. On June 22, 1940 - The > inhabitants of Borg were allowed to return home. They found their > church was destroyed. A German Lieutenant had blown up the church tower > for "strategic reasons". > On November 17th, 1944, Borg is, for the first time, bombarded by the > Americans. On November 19th, 1944 Borg is occupied by the Americans. > From December 16th to 27th, 1944, the Germans mounted a counter- > offensive in the Ardennes. > The inhabitants of Borg again were evacuated, this time by the > Americans to Hemmersdorf in Saarland. When the people came back to > their village in the spring of 1945, they found their cattle had > perished in their stalls or in the fields. > > May 1945 - End of the second world war. > > Dears, > > This information that I have written was taken from the Chronicle of > Borg. > > > > > ______________________________

Might this be the same Michels family resident at Belgium, Ozaukee Co. c. 1857. Henry (Heinrich) Michels, son of Michael & Angelika Michels, born c. 1829, married Anna Neis, daughter of Lorenz Neis and Christina Schueller from Dreis, Canton Daun, Trier. This family moved on to MN (Meiers Grove) then Uniontown, Washington state. I seek any additional information. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > Posting new info which Werner found and wish to thank Werner publicly and > personally! > > WOW!!! I always thought there was a family connection with the WEBER's, > because they were sponsors/godparents on some of the baptismal records. > > There are also SCHNEIDERs in that same area: > Petri Schneider married Apolonia Schmits and had the following children: > > John Schneider who married Ana Christina Holzhem (b. May 30, 1862-died ???). > They were married on November 24, 1885. > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee Falls), > Wisconsin indicate that Anna Christina Holzhem was born 30 May 1862 and > baptized 1 June 1862. Her baptismal sponsors were: Georgio MICHELS and > Christina FUSS. > Marriage record: > She married on 24 November 1885 to Joannum Schneider of Minnesota, s/o > Petrie Schneider and Apolonia Schmits (spelled as recorded in Catholic > Records). Witnesses for the marriage included Engelberto Lehman and Ana > Holzem. > > and > > Engelburt Schneider who married Ana Maria Holzhem. Ana Maria Holzhem was > born on February 10, 1864 in Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > This marriage took place in 1877. > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee Falls), > Wisconsin indicate that Ana Maria was born 10 February 1864 and baptized 14 > February 1864. Her sponsors were: Henry FUSS and Ana Maria MICHELS. > > She married Engelburtum SCHNEIDER of Minnesota, s/o Petri Schneider and > Apolonia Schmitz (as spelled this time in the church records), in 1877--no > specific month or date was recorded. Witnesses for this marriage included: > Chrysanthi Len---(unreadable) and Elizabeth Holzem > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Werner Lichter" <[email protected]> > To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; "TRIER-ROOTS" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > Dear Susan and all the others, > > what an interesting mail. > > Let me send you the datas of this Michels family: > > > > (datas from the familybook of "Schankweiler, from Werner Naumann , page > > 145) > > > > Barthel MICHELS > > a teacher > > born in unknown > > death 05 Nov. 1856 in Holsthum > > > > married before 1833 in unknown to > > > > Margaretha Weber > > born in unknown > > died in USA unknown > > > > this family moved (for teaching) before February 1833 to Holsthum. There > > the following children where born: > > 1. 02.12.1833 Catharina > > 2. 03.31.1838 Anna Clara > > 3. 09.25.1840 Anton (to USA in 1857) > > 4. 12.31.1843 Leonard > > 5. 12.30.1848 Johann Philipp > > The first emigrant from this family was Anton Michels. In his "permisson > > to emigrate" her wrote: > > "My mother is the widdow of the teacher Batholomaeus (called Barthel) > > Michels who died at September 5th last year here in Holsthum. She has a > > sister who´s married in the state of Wisconsin. She wants to have me > > with her. For that she has sent a socalled Mr. Peter Schneider from > > Bettendorf to me to bring me to her in USA. He is working since two > > years at her (farm ?). Now I am ready (with the permission of my mother) > > to emigrate on October 10th to Wisconsin. Date of prussian Certificate > > of Permission September 7th 1857. > > I am shure that the complete family emigrated after 1857 and I think > > this happened before 1869. > > It is possible to clear where Mr. Bathel Michels was born, because we > > have the date of death. The civil records will tell where he was born > > and who were his parents. > > There was no Lenger living in that parish of Schankweiler (containing > > the towns of Holsthum, Peffingen and Schankweiler). > > Treves is the french name for Trier (government district of Trier or > > city of Trier, both is correcht). > > Holzem is the slang variation of three towns: > > a. Holsthum (called Holzem) , Irrel county, district of Bitburg-Pruem, > > state of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; > > b. Holzem (called Holzem) , community of Mamer, Luxemburg; > > c. Holzthum (called Holtzem), community of Consthum, Luxemburg. > > Maybe there are other "Holzem`s" in lorrain (France) or Belgium > > (province of Luxemburg), but I don´t know yet. > > Emigrants with the name "Holzem" came from the county of Daun, district > > of Trier, Germany in 1869 and 1873: > > Christian Holzem, age 35, from Boxberg in 1873 > > Elisabeth Holzem, age 2, from Boxberg in 1873, > > Gertrud Holzem, age 27, from Boxberg in 1873, > > Johann Peter Holzem, age 58, from Heyroth in 1869, > > Magdalena Holzem, age 59, from Heyroth in 1869, > > Magdalena Holzem, age 32, from Heyroth in 1869, > > Peter Holzem, age 20, from Heyroth in 1869, > > Peter Holzem, age 4, from Boxberg in 1869, > > Vincenz Holzem, age 8, from Boxberg in 1873 > > Boxberg is in the parish of Beinhausen, Heyroth in the rarish of > > Niederehe. They are close together. The thelen and Michels names are > > located in this area, too !!!!! Perhaps the Michels family Mrs. Nokes is > > researching came from this area, too ? It is possible, because the > > combination Michels-Thelen is typical for this region in the county of > > Daun ! > > > > > > yours sincerely > > > > Werner Lichter > > > > > > > > ##################################### > > I thought I'd play out a "hunch" again... > > I kept feeling like there was some connection to the LENGER's moving to > > Jefferson County--aside from the fact that people would need to migrate > > west to stake land claims... The obituary for George MICHELS said that > > his body was "returned to his family in Jefferson for burial"....while > > back in Wisconsin last year--I traveled many country roads all around > > Jefferson County--stopping at numerous cemeteries...At St. Lawrence > > Cemetery, which is located on Hwy 18 out of Jefferson and toward > > Milwaukee...I found out that a Priest by the name of Rev. Anthony > > (Anton) MICHAELS had pastored there.. So I wrote to the Archdiocease of > > Milwaukee a few weeks back--and said that I had searched the graveyard > > at St. Lawrence and had not located the grave for Father MICHAELS..and > > wondered if they had any records about his ministry or where he might be > > buried... > > This is what they sent me: > > Rev. Anthony (Anton) Francis MICHAELS Born September 25, 1840 at > > Holsthum (Treves) Germany Studied at St. Francis Seminary Ordained > > August 12, 1868 in Milwaukee by Bishop Melchers of Green Bay for the > > diocease of Milwaukee Came to the diocease as a boy in 1857. As priest > > in 1868. Came from Treves, Germany Incorporated into this diocease in > > 1868. Stationed at present St. Joseph's Convent in Milwaukee Formerly: > > St. Matthias, Beloit Rd.; St. Boniface, Germantown; Teachers Seminary, > > St. Francis; St. Laurence near Jefferson; St. Martin's, Ashford; St. > > Matthew's, New Castle; Winona, Minn. as chaplainto School Sisters of St. > > Francis; St. Joseph's Convent as its spiritual director. He died as the > > spiritual director of the School Sisters of St. Francis, Milwaukee. > > Died: July 18, 1911. Buried in Calvary Cemetery, Milwaukee > > ------------------ > > There are two sources of information about him and one varies in > > information regarding his ordination. The second record states that he > > was ordained by Bishop J. M. Henni at St. Francis on August 12, 1868. > > The record > > above is the most complete with only the ordination information varying. > > This ends what they sent to me... OK--I may be grasping at > > straws--but--- > > Notice the name of the town he was said to have born in: Holsthum... > > How closely this resembles the name HOLZEM or HOLZHEM.... > > Ann MICHELS, the daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN > > married a Jacob HOLZEM on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > > Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Jacob's parents were : Christian > > HOLZEM and Clementina (maiden name unknown). Ann MICHEL's sister was Eva > > MICHELS who married Christian LENGER in a > > dual marriage ceremony on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, Fussville, > > Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > I have information which says: "St. Martin's mission parish was founded > > in July 1846. The congregation > > consisting of 21 German families, was attended by the St. Anthony pastor > > every week before and after it had its own resident pastors. St.Martin's > > mission school was conducted by two Chriatian Brothers from > > 1847-1849...." Could those two "Christian Brothers" have been Christian > > Lenger (husband of Elizabeth Glesius) and Christian Holzem (father of > > Jacob Holzem)??? I realize that monks or acolytes are also known as > > "Brothers" in the Catholic church...but it seems strange that all of > > these families were in that area at the same time. Coincidence???? > > Could our families have been responsible for the building of that > > church?? Could they have moved to Jefferson after the ordination of > > Rev. Anton MICHAELS who then pastored at St. Laurence just outside of > > Jefferson??? Just a few questions--hoping I might find the answers... > > Fellow researcher, Susan > > > > ______________________________ >

I am looking for an on line source of photos of Trier. I am especially interested in pre WW II photos of Moselstr.. Also I understand that Trier was bombed in WW II and was wondering if there is some reference material indicating the damage sustained on line. My family lived on Moselstr. before the war. Recent visitors to the area say a car dealership is now where the house was. Is it common to have a residence change to a business in the city? Dave Spang --

Ordinarily a Catholic wedding would take place in the parish church of the bride. If there was a sufficient reason to hold it in a different parish, the person was "dismissed" to go there. It was a form a permission for an exception to the general practice. Joe Folzenlogen

First, let me thank all of you who helped me locate Haute Saureé — I appreciated your help. I have another question now about marriage records in the early 1800s that I'm hoping someone can help me with. When a marriage record has the Latin word Dismissio next to it what would that signify? The other records simply have matrimonium. Could Dismissio perhaps mean the marriage took place somewhere other than the parish church? Jane in Colorado

Here at last the whole translation, revised and all. Thanks to Marvin. Barbara History of Borg Today I want to tell something about the history of Borg. We have a chronicle of Borg which was written by a teacher. It is the only book written about the history of Borg. BORG - Where did the name come from? In an old registry book of the minister of Dahlem (1853-1872) it is stated that the town got its name from a man called "Borger". This man was the first one to settle down in Borg. In 1832 there was a house which was called "Bogerhaus", (house of Borger). A new school was also built in 1832. In the course of time, the name has not always remained the same. One very old form was "Bourich(e)". In a document from 1718, it was written as "Borrig". Ever since the time of the Romans, there has been a kind of roman settlement (over the years it has been digged out - more on this in another report) In the 14th century Borg belonged to the Duchy of Luxembourg and thus it belonged to Remich. Through marriages and heritage between the reigning houses, there were many changes of it's proprietors. Thus Borg became: Burgundy in 1443, Spanish in 1555, and Austrian in 1714. Before 1430, the Lords of Sierck ( France today) were the Lords of Borg. About 1550 the Lords of Raville received the foundation means and the high jurisdiction of Borg. In the 17th century the Lords of Criechingen followed. After these, all high jurisdiction went to the "Karthuser", the monks in the Abbey of St. Alban near of Trier. The Lords of Criechingen left their estates to the inhabitants of Borg who had to give fruit and life annuities to the Lordship each year. The life annuity was abolished in 1847. After all this changing history, in 1815 the congress of Wien decided the Prussian municipality to be part of the district of Saarburg in the administrative area of Trier. Not until 1946 did the municipality of Borg become part of the Saarland. My husband Rudolf has been the chairman of Borg since 1974. More information on the history of Borg. Hi, Now I want to write to you the rest of the information from the Chronicle of Borg. In 1452, Borg belonged to the estates of Wilhelm von Manderscheid. During a family feud, the whole village was burnt out. From 1701 to 1714, during Spanish War of Succession, Borg, as well as the whole countryside arround Trier, suffered much under the French occupying troops. Trier itself also suffered much during the various wars and clashes of the following years in that century. Borg belonged to the Electorate of Trier until August the 9th, 1794; more precisely to the county of Luxembourg. The invasion of Trier by the French brought the end of the Electorate. The last Elector was Clemens Wenseslaus. He had to leave his archbishopric for ever. At the peace of Campo Forino on October the 17th.1797, the whole Electorate went to the French Republic and later, at the peace of Luneville, on February the 9th 1801, it was ceded to France with the left bank of the Rhine river. After the War of Liberation against Napoleon in the year 1814, the Rhineland was again giv! en to Prussia. The French-German war of 1870-1871 At the beginning of July 1870, the political situation intensified to a point that fear and worry filled the hearts of the people. On July the 15th. there was talk about the declaration of war that was to come and an order for general mobilization arrived. The Prussian troops advanced in great columns from Saarburg in the direction of Lorraine. Diedenhofen and Metz were besieged. Old people still tell about the big supply columns and cattle herds (meat for the soldiers) which were driven through Borg. When the war ended in 1871, people planted "peace oaks" everywhere. In Borg 3 oaks were planted. 1914-1918 - The First World War. July 2nd, 1917 - The bells of the church were confiscated as war material. On November 8th, 1918 - The flow of the German Army returned through Borg. A commandant and lieutenants were quartered in the Presbytery. During the night many soldiers secretly deserted. November 10th, 1918 - The Americans arrived. They took up quarters in the village and stayed for several weeks. 1939-1945 - Second World War The following are only the most important entries from the Chronicle. Borg had been emptied on September 1st, 1939. This meant that the people were evacuated, because of the war danger on the French-German border, on the right bank of the Rhine. On June 22, 1940 - The inhabitants of Borg were allowed to return home. They found their church was destroyed. A German Lieutenant had blown up the church tower for "strategic reasons". On November 17th, 1944, Borg is, for the first time, bombarded by the Americans. On November 19th, 1944 Borg is occupied by the Americans. From December 16th to 27th, 1944, the Germans mounted a counter-offensive in the Ardennes. The inhabitants of Borg again were evacuated, this time by the Americans to Hemmersdorf in Saarland. When the people came back to their village in the spring of 1945, they found their cattle had perished in their stalls or in the fields. May 1945 - End of the second world war. Dears, This information that I have written was taken from the Chronicle of Borg.

These are the details of women who married into the Schoenhofen family. There spouse is mentioned ONLY by first name, as all are Schoenhofens. Please read this and let me know if any sound familiar, or are possible links with your own trees. Some of these names are from my tree, and others are from trees that I am trying to link to. Following this is a list of the men in the tree. For some of these, there are details about birth, death and marriage. I would like to know more about their parents, children and / or siblings. It looked perfect when written as a word doc, but hasn't transferred too well. Sorry. I hope that these lists will help others to make connections. Surname Given name DOB DOD DOM Billenvelms Anna Maria Nov. 29. 1776 Jakob Oct. 8. 1746 Boden Magdalena Jul. 16. 1810(Britten) Jan. 31. 1831 Mathias Jan. 8. 1811(Fitten) Dec. 3. 1875 Courar Catherine Peter Oct. 23. 1848 Sep. 15. 1889 Courar Elizabeth Jan. 31. 1862 Mathias ? ? 1880 Courar Susanna John ? ? 1892 Fix Johanna Sep. 25. 1885 Nicholas ? 23. 1862 May. 6. 1921 Follman Anna-Maria Nov. 9. 1905 Peter Sep. 1. 1877 Feb. 4. 1968 Freis Johanetta Feb. 1. 1809 Matthias Oct. 7. 1776 Fuhrman Wilemina ? ? 1910 Peter Nov. 28. 1887 Oct. 12. 1961 Hansen Anna Gertrude Jun. 5. 1910 John Paul Jan. 5. 1885 Sep. 13. 1964 Hansen Margaret Mathias Feb. 26. 1920 Heinz Katharina Jan. 29. 1845 Matthias Feb. 3. 1813 Heinz Katharina Mar. 22. 1810 Peter Mar. 7. 1784 May 30. 1875 Heinz Maria Katharina Sep. 21. 1841 Jakob Mar. 24. 1815 Herman Gertrude Joseph Jacob Margarethe Karl / Carl Kaufhold Elizabeth Ann Apr. 5. 1894 Theodore Lawrence Mathias Elisabetha abt. 1789(Fitten) poss. Dec. 31. 1814(Merzig) Jacob abt. 1785(Fitten) Melchers Maria ? ? 1884 Peter May 5. 1860 Oct. 26. 1898 Minor Adel Oct. 5. 1902 William Nov. 4. 1877 Aug. 28. 1933 Mueller Anna-Maria Jan. 14. 1874 Matthias Sep. 18. 1848 Nov. 11. 1913 Ort Margareta Jan. 24. 1845 Nikolaus Jun. 10. 1805 Feb. 29. 1860 Preis Maria Johanna Jan. 31. 1809 Matthias Oct. 7. 1776 2nd marriage Schmidt Julia Anthony Valerius Margareth Jul. 26. 1730 Eberhard Wagner Gertrude Matthew J. Jun. 9. 1962 Welter Margareta Feb. 3. 1796 Johan Jun. 18. 1759 Mar. 25. 1824 Wiemar Elizabeth Peter Jan. 16. 1869 Nov. 11. 1940 Name DOB DOD DOM Wife's name Anthony Julia Schmidt Carl / Karl Margarethe Jacob Carl Apr. 21. 1890 Christian Nov. 13. 1730 Christian Katharina ? Eberhard Jul. 26. 1730 Margareth Valerius Eberhard Jul. 16. 1734 Edward Joseph Mar. 27. 1928 Nov. 1. 1975 Rosemary ? Franz Nicholas Dec. 21. 1891 Georg Nov. 25. 1736 Georg Richard Oct. 5. 1900 Heinrich Mar. 23. 1749 / 1750 Jacob abt. 1785 (Fitten) Elisabetha Mathias Jakob Oct. 8. 1746 Nov. 29. 1776 Anna Maria Billenvelms Jakob Feb. 24. 1789 Jakob Mar. 24. 1815 Sep. 21. 1841 Maria Katharina Heinz Johan Jul. 18. 1759 Mar. 25. 1824 Feb. 3. 1796 Margareta Welter Johan Mathias Feb. 25. 1893 Sep. 5. 1948 Jun. 4. 1917 Catherine Augusta Thomas Johann Apr. 18. 1832 Johan Peter Margaretha ? John ? ? 1892 Susanna Courar John Paul Jan. 5. 1885 Sep. 13. 1964 Jun. 5. 1910 Anna Gertrude Hansen Joseph Gertrude Herman Mathias Feb. 26. 1920 Margaret Hansen Mathias Jan. 8. 1811 Dec. 3. 1875 Jan. 31. 1831 Magdalena Boden Mathias ? ? 1880 Jan. 31. 1862 Elizabeth Courar Mathias May 21. 1855 Matthew J. Jun. 9. 1962 Gertrude Wagner Matthias Sep. 18. 1848 Nov. 11. 1913 Jan. 14. 1874 Anna-Maria Mueller Matthias Sep. 15. 1734(Galdbach) Matthias Jul. 24. 1743 Matthias Oct. 7. 1776 Feb. 1. 1809 Johanetta Freis Matthias Feb. 3. 1913 Jan. 29. 1845 Katharina Heinz Nicholas Jan. 28. 1833 ? Speicher Nicholas ? 23. 1862 May 6. 1921 Sep. 25. 1885 Johanna Fix Nicholas Aug. 7. 1887 Nikolaus Jun. 10. 1805 Feb. 29. 1860 Jan. 24. 1845 Margareta Ort Nikolaus Feb. 2. 1776 Peter 1st Magdalena ? 2nd Eva Katharina ? Peter Feb. 24. 1731 / 1732 Peter Feb. 22. 1746 / 1747 Peter Mar. 7. 1784 May 30. 1875 Mar. 22. 1810 Katharina Heinz Peter Aug. 20. 1819 Peter Oct. 23. 1848 Sep. 15. 1889 Catherine Courar Peter Nov. 28. 1887 Oct. 12. 1961 ? ? 1910 Wilemina Fuhrman Peter Jan. 16. 1869 Nov. 11. 1940 Elizabeth Wiemar Peter May 5. 1860 Oct. 26. 1898 ? ? 1884 Maria Melchers Theodore Lawrence Apr. 5. 1894 Elizabeth Ann Kaufhold Wilhelm Friedrich Feb. 13. 1902 William Jul. 18. 1880 Apr. ?. 1967 William Nov. 4. 1877 Aug. 28. 1933 Oct. 5. 1902 Adel Minor

Werner, With ancestry in Trier I found your data on the former sovereignty of places in Bitburg and Kyllburg of great interest. Thank you very much for that information which is rather difficult to piece together here. What sources could you suggest for the former "Kanton Daun", particularly Dockweiler, Dreis, Waldkoenigen, Rockeskyll, Kirchweiler, Gerolstein, etc. Is there a "Mundart" demarcation line between "Luetzelbuergisch" and "Mosel-Fraenkisch"? Where might that be? How prevalent is the use of dialect in these areas today? Joe Schmitt in Oakland CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner Lichter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Roehl...Trier, etc. > Hello friends and others, > > some news to an old story, > thank you very much Grechtchen for your statement. > I think a long time ago, before so much people in my family got ill I > communicated with you. Perhaps it´s time to continue and I hope it will > get easier now with no death`s. > > Yes it is correct that 70 % of the county of Bitburg-Pruem (what is the > actually name) belonged to the duchy of Luxemburg untill 1801, 1794-1800 > as french occupation zone. From 1801 when it was officel annext to > France it was a part of this country untill 1814. Then, after Napoleon > last his last battle in Waterloo and after the "Congress of Vienna" the > parts west of the rivers Our ans Sauer (french "la Sure") came to the > "Goverment of Lower-Rhine = Herzogtum Niederrhein" in the "Kingdom of > Prussia = Koenigreich Preussen". But as so often it is more coplicate to > tell that Roehl never belonged to Luxemburg. It was ever a part of the > "Township of Welschbillig = Amt Welschbillig" in the "Electorate of > Trier". This county of Welschbillig was located like the form of a nose > into the territory of Luxemburg. The towns in the county of Welschbillig > were > 1. Welschbillig (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg), > 2. Moehn (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg), part of the community > of Welschbillig), > 3. Ittel (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg, part of the community > of Welschbillig), > 4. the southern part of Idenheim (= only one street), > 5. Idesheim (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), > 6. Hofweiler (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg, part of the > community of Welschbillig), > 7. Roehl (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), > 8. Dahlem /near Trimport (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), > 9. The farm of Palzkill (or Palkyll) (today in the county of > Bitburg-Pruem, part of the community of Roehl), > 10.Suelm (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), > 11.The mill calle Loskill (or Loskyller Muehle) (today in the county of > Bitburg-Pruem), > 12.Eisenach (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), > 13.Gilzem (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), > 14.Newel (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg), > 15.Olk (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg, part of the community of > Ralingen), > I hope that I am complete with this. > > The following towns in the Bitburg part of county Bitburg-Pruem belonged > also to the Electorate of Trier: > Kyllburg (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Ehlenz (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Etteldorf (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Kyllburgweiler (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > one part of the town of Neidenbach (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Orsfeld (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > the half part of the town of Schleid (county of Kyllburg = Amt > Kyllburg), > the other half part of Schleid (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), > the farm Schwickerath (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > St.Thomas (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > the farm Bruderholz (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > St.Johann /near Kyllburg (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Usch (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Wilsecker (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), > Seffern (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), > Heilenbach (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), > the farm Ginneberg (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), > Sefferweich (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), > > The "Civill Administration of Trier = Regierungsbezirk Trier" was > dissolved in the 1990s, like all Administrations in the state of > Rheinland-Pfalz. They founded 3 new administrative authorites in Trier, > Koblenz and Neustadt/Weinstrasse for culture, traffic and so on. > So the counties are the only civil administrations in our state > Rheinland-Pfalz under the Goverment in Mainz. > > Gretchen wrote >Bitburg was both a city and a Kreis (land county) within > the larger Regierungsbezirk (Civil Administration) of Trier, Rheinland.< > --this is correct > Gretchen wrote > This area was formerly part of the Duchy of Luxembourg. > After 1815 it was annexed to Prussia, --this is not at 100% correct, see > above. > Gretchen wrote >and eventually Luxembourg became a Grand Duchy [a small > reward to a county which gave up more than 2/3 of it's land in the 19th > century to Prussia (i.e.Germany) and Belgium]. > --yes for that the Duchy of Luxemburg lost 2/3 of its land it became a > "Grant Duchy". > And let me tell what I cannot accept. It is that I feel the actually > Luxemburgers cannot accept the formerly Luxemburgers that came to > Germany ("de Preissen = the prussians") speak the old luxemburg language > as their Luxemburg ancestors did before 1815 and sometimes want to get > more accepted as brothers in Europe than "the former /nazi/ germans"). > > yours sincerely > > Werner LICHTER > > ______________________________ >

Sehr geehrter Herr Lichter, As far at it is known today, the Treverer were neither germanic, nor a race. When Caesar conquered Gallia around 50 bc, it was one of the mightiest celtic (gallic) tribes in whole Gallia. He described them as brave warriors and famous horseriders in his "de bello gallico" (About the gallic war). Little is known about them, but they had some big castles in the region they settled (the area beetween Maas, Rhine and Huensrueck) and put fierce resistance against the roman conquerors (including some rebellions after the conquest, who caused severe problems for the roman legions), but at least, it was David against Goliath and they were assimilated by the romans. Beste Grüße in die Eifel Ernst Mettlach/Trier ----- Original Message ----- From: Werner Lichter <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Treves - Trier > Dear Thomas, > the name came from the name of the german race of the "Treverer" that > settled in this area around Trier before the romans came (and with them > in later times). The romans founded a city in 16 before Christ nearby > the capital santuary of the Treverer in the Mosel valley. The historiens > think that there must have been a settlement of the Treverer before the > roman foundation of their new city. The romans called it "Augusta > Treverorum", because of Kaiser Augustus in that year -16. This city > expanded and 300 year later it had arround 50.000 up to 70.000 > inhabitans, with about 1000 farms in the area 50 miles around. > In french the name is written Trèves and not Treves. In the area around > and in Trier they call it Trear/Treer. > > Werner Lichter > > ########################################### > > > > > Actually, the name "Treves" is the French translation of the original > > Latin name of the city (Trevirensis) now known by its German name: > > Trier. Does the name derive from the three rivers in the area (Mosel, > > Ruwer, Saar)? > > > > Thomas Kohn > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

In an 1800 marriage record found in the Waxweiler Catholic records the groom's parents were from Haute Saureé, with no other information. I was wondering if anyone on the list could help me locate this? Jane in Colorado

Dear Thomas, the name came from the name of the german race of the "Treverer" that settled in this area around Trier before the romans came (and with them in later times). The romans founded a city in 16 before Christ nearby the capital santuary of the Treverer in the Mosel valley. The historiens think that there must have been a settlement of the Treverer before the roman foundation of their new city. The romans called it "Augusta Treverorum", because of Kaiser Augustus in that year -16. This city expanded and 300 year later it had arround 50.000 up to 70.000 inhabitans, with about 1000 farms in the area 50 miles around. In french the name is written Trèves and not Treves. In the area around and in Trier they call it Trear/Treer. Werner Lichter ########################################### > > Actually, the name "Treves" is the French translation of the original > Latin name of the city (Trevirensis) now known by its German name: > Trier. Does the name derive from the three rivers in the area (Mosel, > Ruwer, Saar)? > > Thomas Kohn > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Hello friends and others, some news to an old story, thank you very much Grechtchen for your statement. I think a long time ago, before so much people in my family got ill I communicated with you. Perhaps it´s time to continue and I hope it will get easier now with no death`s. Yes it is correct that 70 % of the county of Bitburg-Pruem (what is the actually name) belonged to the duchy of Luxemburg untill 1801, 1794-1800 as french occupation zone. From 1801 when it was officel annext to France it was a part of this country untill 1814. Then, after Napoleon last his last battle in Waterloo and after the "Congress of Vienna" the parts west of the rivers Our ans Sauer (french "la Sure") came to the "Goverment of Lower-Rhine = Herzogtum Niederrhein" in the "Kingdom of Prussia = Koenigreich Preussen". But as so often it is more coplicate to tell that Roehl never belonged to Luxemburg. It was ever a part of the "Township of Welschbillig = Amt Welschbillig" in the "Electorate of Trier". This county of Welschbillig was located like the form of a nose into the territory of Luxemburg. The towns in the county of Welschbillig were 1. Welschbillig (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg), 2. Moehn (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg), part of the community of Welschbillig), 3. Ittel (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg, part of the community of Welschbillig), 4. the southern part of Idenheim (= only one street), 5. Idesheim (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 6. Hofweiler (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg, part of the community of Welschbillig), 7. Roehl (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 8. Dahlem /near Trimport (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 9. The farm of Palzkill (or Palkyll) (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem, part of the community of Roehl), 10.Suelm (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 11.The mill calle Loskill (or Loskyller Muehle) (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 12.Eisenach (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 13.Gilzem (today in the county of Bitburg-Pruem), 14.Newel (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg), 15.Olk (today in the county of Trier-Saarburg, part of the community of Ralingen), I hope that I am complete with this. The following towns in the Bitburg part of county Bitburg-Pruem belonged also to the Electorate of Trier: Kyllburg (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Ehlenz (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Etteldorf (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Kyllburgweiler (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), one part of the town of Neidenbach (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Orsfeld (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), the half part of the town of Schleid (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), the other half part of Schleid (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), the farm Schwickerath (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), St.Thomas (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), the farm Bruderholz (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), St.Johann /near Kyllburg (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Usch (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Wilsecker (county of Kyllburg = Amt Kyllburg), Seffern (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), Heilenbach (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), the farm Ginneberg (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), Sefferweich (upper county of Pruem = Oberamt Pruem), The "Civill Administration of Trier = Regierungsbezirk Trier" was dissolved in the 1990s, like all Administrations in the state of Rheinland-Pfalz. They founded 3 new administrative authorites in Trier, Koblenz and Neustadt/Weinstrasse for culture, traffic and so on. So the counties are the only civil administrations in our state Rheinland-Pfalz under the Goverment in Mainz. Gretchen wrote >Bitburg was both a city and a Kreis (land county) within the larger Regierungsbezirk (Civil Administration) of Trier, Rheinland.< --this is correct Gretchen wrote > This area was formerly part of the Duchy of Luxembourg. After 1815 it was annexed to Prussia, --this is not at 100% correct, see above. Gretchen wrote >and eventually Luxembourg became a Grand Duchy [a small reward to a county which gave up more than 2/3 of it's land in the 19th century to Prussia (i.e.Germany) and Belgium]. --yes for that the Duchy of Luxemburg lost 2/3 of its land it became a "Grant Duchy". And let me tell what I cannot accept. It is that I feel the actually Luxemburgers cannot accept the formerly Luxemburgers that came to Germany ("de Preissen = the prussians") speak the old luxemburg language as their Luxemburg ancestors did before 1815 and sometimes want to get more accepted as brothers in Europe than "the former /nazi/ germans"). yours sincerely Werner LICHTER