Deutsch (english version below): Hallo, ich wollte Euch nur informieren, daß ich die Struktur meiner Homepage geändert habe und unter der Adresse: www.awest.de/Privat/Ahnenforschung/Index.html meine Ahnenforschung und deren Resultate veröffentlicht habe (mehr als 5700 Personen aktuell). Bitte aktualisiert Euren Eintrag wenn ihr bereits einmal vorbei geschaut habt. Kommentare und Anregungen sind jederzeit willkommen, ich habe jetzt auch eine Schritt für Schritt Anleitung für den Umgang mit dem Dynamic Family Tree, mit dem ich meine Daten veröffentliche, als Hilfe veröffentlicht. Außerdem gibt es eine Liste meiner Spitzenahnen (alle toten Punkte meiner Forschung), eine ca. 2 MB große Ortsliste mit allen Namen (ca. 140 Seiten), eine Namensliste und einen Namensindex aller erfaßten Nachnamen. Ich möchte außerdem darauf hinweisen, daß ich alle Namensvorkommen von WEST und seine Variationen (WESTIN, DE WEST, TE WEST) in Deutschland erfasse. Für Hinweise, Daten über Personen, die in Deutschland gelebt haben und noch nicht erfaßt sind, bin ich sehr dankbar. Bisher habe ich nur Daten aus dem Ancestral File und dem IGI der Mormonen erfaßt, sowie Kriegsgefallene, aber auch Auswanderer aus Deutschland, welche ich durch Zufall gefunden habe. Diese Webseite wird regelmäßig auf den neuesten Stand gebracht, bitte speichert die Adresse und besucht sie mal wieder. Herzlichst, Andreas West English version: Hello everybody, I just wanted you to inform, that I changed the structure of my homepage and published at the URL: www.awest.de/Privat/Ahnenforschung/Index.html information about my ancestor research and my results (actual 5700+ persons). If you bookmarked my address please update it with the new entry point. Comments and ideas are gladly welcomed, I have also published a step-by-step guide for the Dynamic Family Tree which I use for publishing my data. I have also a list of my top ancestors (which means all dead-ends of my research, where the parents are unknown), an about 2 MB big location list with all names (about 140 pages), a list of names and an index of all surnames in the database. I'd like to point out too, that I'm trying to collect all persons with the surname WEST and it's variations (like WESTIN, DE WEST, TE WEST) that once lived in Germany. If you have any information regarding persons with these surnames which are currently not in my database, it'd be glad to receive them. So far I have added data from the Ancestral File and the IGI of the Mormons, persons who died in the act of WWI and WWII, as well as some emigrants from Germany which I found by chance. The website will be constantly updated so please bookmark and come back. Sincerely, Andreas West ---------------------------------------------- English: I'm searching for all people with the surname WEST in Germany. For more information, click on the link below or copy it into your browser. Deutsch: Ich suche alle Personen mit dem Nachnamen WEST, die einmal in Deutschland gelebt haben. Für weitere Informationen klicken Sie bitte auf den nachfolgenden Link oder kopieren ihn in die Adresszeile ihres Browsers: www.awest.de/Privat/Ahnenforschung/Index.html

Liebe Listenmitglieder! Ich will mit meine Tochter in Kaiserslautern ein Monat beim Besuch von 7.ten Juli bis erste Woche in August bleiben. Ich moechte Verwandten kennenlernen in Canton Daun. Meine Ahnen sind Schäfer aus Dreis, Neis aus Waldkönigen, Schüller aus Dockweiler, Sprüncker (alle Schreibweise!), Lamberti(y), Meyer aus Essingen. Am besten moechte ich wieder nach Daun, Dockweiler und Dreis gehen, hoffentlich einige Verwandten kennen zu lernen. Verstehe ich immer etwas Deutsch. Sie können an mich schreiben an email [email protected], Besten Gruss aus Oakland, CA, Joe

Dear Fellow Subscribers: Always enjoy reading the interesting research being conducted by a well versed group as yourselves. I am quite new at this and although my maternal grandmother's side relates to Bad Kissingen in the 1850's and later Trier(hence my log on to roots), the paternal side is related to Echternach and Diekirch in Luxemburg and on which it appears I may have more information. Question - is there such a site as TRIER-ROOTS which pertains to other geographic locales as those mentioned in Lux or maybe LUXEMBURG-ROOTS investigative persons such as yourselves. Do you know of such a site? Is there some kind of international directory of persons involved in delving into their ancestry related to a specific place, where for example e-mail addresses would be available for persons, who may right now be doing such research in the very areas in which I am interested?? Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C2F41D4C977B906353BF02E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Niles for the Dahms is Niles, Illinois. It is a suburb outside of Chicago. Anna Marie Schuh [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 159 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Dahm - Schuh - Rei [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Dahm - Schuh - Reinert - Kohn connections > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:28:53 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Well, Ms. Schuh's response makes it fairly clear there is little chance of a > DAHM connection to my family. And, Ms. Dranicz, I think there is little > chance of a REINERT connection to your family from mine. > > First, where is Brotdorf? It is not listed in a modern map, and I have lost > my connection to a gazetteer that I rely on for mid-19th C Germany. Second, > where is the Niles you refer to? Niles OH, Niles MI, Niles WI are several > possibilities. > > My REINERT family emigrated from Deutschland, Rheinland-Pfalz, Kreis Trier, > Igel (upstream from Trier on the Mosel, about 9 km) in 1867, apparently via > Le Havre to New York, and quickly on to Chicago, then residing in Caledonia > MN from 1867 to 1872. The immigrant patriarch died there in March 1871, and > his widow joined a caravan of German-Luxembourgois who sought better fortunes > in Tipton KS. The five children married others of the same background: > Susanna m. Johann Mathias KOHN of Wasserliesch R-P DEU, > Nicholas m. Maria SIMEON of St. Donatus IA (parents from LUX), > Peter m. Catherine SCHWINDEN of Caledonia MN, > Maria m. Michael GILLEN of DEU R-P, Cruchten, and > Gertrude m. Stephen SCHANDELER of Pratz or "Medersiagh" LUX. > > Thomas Kohn > > In a message dated 6/29/2002 8:13:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:44:30 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Dahm - Schuh - Reinert - Kohn connections? > > > > I've interested in the Dahm connections in Niles as well as the REINERT > > surname. > > > > Could you give more information on which REINERTs your researching. > > Mathias > > REINERT and his wife Margaret HOLZ came to New Trier Township (near Niles) > > in > > 1847 from Brotdorf. > > > > A daughter of Mathias DAHM and Barbara WEINAND of Welschbillig, Appolonia > > married Mathias SCHUTZ in 1856 at St. Joseph, Wilmette. This SCHUTZ family > > is buried in St. Peter's Cemetary in Skokie (?was niles) near to my Gr gr > > aunt Margaret SCHUTZ STEFFENS. I've never connect the SCHUTZs of Niles to > > mine in Wilmette, Evanston. > > > > Also, Mathias SCHUTZ and Appolonia DAHM's son Peter born 1862 Niles, > > married > > Elisabeth THEOBALD. Elisabeth's grandfather was the school master in > > Brotdorf. (where my REINERTs and SCHUTZs came from). > > > > Lauri D. > > --------------C2F41D4C977B906353BF02E0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="annschuh.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Anna Marie Schuh Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="annschuh.vcf" begin:vcard n:Schuh;Anna Marie tel;home:773-631-1332 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] fn:Anna Marie Schuh, Ph.D. end:vcard --------------C2F41D4C977B906353BF02E0--

Hello, I have a Franciscus Frantzen that married a Barbara RAU on October 27, 1842 in Hamm, Germany. Denise Minnesota Researching: RAU

Well, Ms. Schuh's response makes it fairly clear there is little chance of a DAHM connection to my family. And, Ms. Dranicz, I think there is little chance of a REINERT connection to your family from mine. First, where is Brotdorf? It is not listed in a modern map, and I have lost my connection to a gazetteer that I rely on for mid-19th C Germany. Second, where is the Niles you refer to? Niles OH, Niles MI, Niles WI are several possibilities. My REINERT family emigrated from Deutschland, Rheinland-Pfalz, Kreis Trier, Igel (upstream from Trier on the Mosel, about 9 km) in 1867, apparently via Le Havre to New York, and quickly on to Chicago, then residing in Caledonia MN from 1867 to 1872. The immigrant patriarch died there in March 1871, and his widow joined a caravan of German-Luxembourgois who sought better fortunes in Tipton KS. The five children married others of the same background: Susanna m. Johann Mathias KOHN of Wasserliesch R-P DEU, Nicholas m. Maria SIMEON of St. Donatus IA (parents from LUX), Peter m. Catherine SCHWINDEN of Caledonia MN, Maria m. Michael GILLEN of DEU R-P, Cruchten, and Gertrude m. Stephen SCHANDELER of Pratz or "Medersiagh" LUX. Thomas Kohn In a message dated 6/29/2002 8:13:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:44:30 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Dahm - Schuh - Reinert - Kohn connections? > > I've interested in the Dahm connections in Niles as well as the REINERT > surname. > > Could you give more information on which REINERTs your researching. > Mathias > REINERT and his wife Margaret HOLZ came to New Trier Township (near Niles) > in > 1847 from Brotdorf. > > A daughter of Mathias DAHM and Barbara WEINAND of Welschbillig, Appolonia > married Mathias SCHUTZ in 1856 at St. Joseph, Wilmette. This SCHUTZ family > is buried in St. Peter's Cemetary in Skokie (?was niles) near to my Gr gr > aunt Margaret SCHUTZ STEFFENS. I've never connect the SCHUTZs of Niles to > mine in Wilmette, Evanston. > > Also, Mathias SCHUTZ and Appolonia DAHM's son Peter born 1862 Niles, > married > Elisabeth THEOBALD. Elisabeth's grandfather was the school master in > Brotdorf. (where my REINERTs and SCHUTZs came from). > > Lauri D. >

Hi Lauri, I have the Mathias Schutz - Appolonia Dahm couple (although I have no dates at all on these two) because of their son who married Elisabeth Theobald - Elisabeth is a 3. Cousin 3 times removed for me. So I have a lot on her family, including her descendants, her ancestor Nikolaus Theobald, who died in 1718, being also my grgr...grandfather (9th generation). For Reinert I have only a Margaretha Reinert born in 1749... don't think this could fit. Barbara France ----- Message d'origine ----- De : <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : vendredi 28 juin 2002 14:44 Objet : Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Dahm - Schuh - Reinert - Kohn connections? > I've interested in the Dahm connections in Niles as well as the REINERT > surname. > > Could you give more information on which REINERTs your researching. Mathias > REINERT and his wife Margaret HOLZ came to New Trier Township (near Niles) in > 1847 from Brotdorf. > > A daughter of Mathias DAHM and Barbara WEINAND of Welschbillig, Appolonia > married Mathias SCHUTZ in 1856 at St. Joseph, Wilmette. This SCHUTZ family > is buried in St. Peter's Cemetary in Skokie (?was niles) near to my Gr gr > aunt Margaret SCHUTZ STEFFENS. I've never connect the SCHUTZs of Niles to > mine in Wilmette, Evanston. > > Also, Mathias SCHUTZ and Appolonia DAHM's son Peter born 1862 Niles, married > Elisabeth THEOBALD. Elisabeth's grandfather was the school master in > Brotdorf. (where my REINERTs and SCHUTZs came from). > > Lauri D. > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------024BC50C119ACB6F9F229492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick, I have a Peter Franzen born in Welschbillig in 1678. But I think it is a different Peter since his father's name is Johann and he, while he has a lot of siblings, none of them are named Conrad, Agnes or Heinrich. Anna Marie Schuh [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 157 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] michels Frantzen ["Jacquelyn Brant" <[email protected]] > #2 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Franzens in the Tr [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] michels Frantzen > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 9:58:24 -0500 > From: "Jacquelyn Brant" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I have the book Familienbuch Welschbillig and I can give you > some information on these families. > > > > --- Jacquelyn Brant > > --- [email protected] > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Franzens in the Trier area > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:54:21 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Hello, > I too have FRANZEN ancestors from the Trier area. My fourth > great-grandfather was PETER FRANZEN, who was born between January 1770 and > January 1771. He and his father, who I believe was Nicholas FRANZEN left > Trier in the early 1780s and migrated to the Banat region of what was then > Austria/Hungary and today is in Romania. > Other siblings of Peter may have been Anna Marie, Conrad, Agnes, > Heinrich, Michael Jacob and Johann. The family may have been from Betring, > Morscheid or Grosslittgen. > Has anyone come across these names in this timeframe? > > Rick Franzen --------------024BC50C119ACB6F9F229492 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="annschuh.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Anna Marie Schuh Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="annschuh.vcf" begin:vcard n:Schuh;Anna Marie tel;home:773-631-1332 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] fn:Anna Marie Schuh, Ph.D. end:vcard --------------024BC50C119ACB6F9F229492--

Hello, I too have FRANZEN ancestors from the Trier area. My fourth great-grandfather was PETER FRANZEN, who was born between January 1770 and January 1771. He and his father, who I believe was Nicholas FRANZEN left Trier in the early 1780s and migrated to the Banat region of what was then Austria/Hungary and today is in Romania. Other siblings of Peter may have been Anna Marie, Conrad, Agnes, Heinrich, Michael Jacob and Johann. The family may have been from Betring, Morscheid or Grosslittgen. Has anyone come across these names in this timeframe? Rick Franzen

I have the book Familienbuch Welschbillig and I can give you some information on these families. --- Jacquelyn Brant --- [email protected] --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

I've interested in the Dahm connections in Niles as well as the REINERT surname. Could you give more information on which REINERTs your researching. Mathias REINERT and his wife Margaret HOLZ came to New Trier Township (near Niles) in 1847 from Brotdorf. A daughter of Mathias DAHM and Barbara WEINAND of Welschbillig, Appolonia married Mathias SCHUTZ in 1856 at St. Joseph, Wilmette. This SCHUTZ family is buried in St. Peter's Cemetary in Skokie (?was niles) near to my Gr gr aunt Margaret SCHUTZ STEFFENS. I've never connect the SCHUTZs of Niles to mine in Wilmette, Evanston. Also, Mathias SCHUTZ and Appolonia DAHM's son Peter born 1862 Niles, married Elisabeth THEOBALD. Elisabeth's grandfather was the school master in Brotdorf. (where my REINERTs and SCHUTZs came from). Lauri D.

I just received new info from Valhalla Cemetery. Is anyone on this list related to: Lillian Laatz 5/13/31 (11/21/86) Frederick Laatz 11/10/62 Old address was: RR 5 Box 11 North Milwaukee, WI 4709--N 29th St Millie Linger 11/28/44 Henry Linger 7/9/46 Ida Clara Temke 6/21/62 John A. Temke 11/4/36 Grace Laatz 6801 Crocis #3 Greendale, 53129 Frank & Alma Laatz Lillian Welnick & Irma Laatz Thank you, Susan [email protected]

Anna, I think I may see a piece to this puzzle. My great grandfather, Dr. Joseph LINGER had an office in Watertown, Wisconsin between 1893 and 1900. Joseph's father, Christian LINGER/LENGER was born "near Trier" abt 1838. There is a George J. Schuh listed as a casket bearer--and he was likely a relative...following this there are the signatures of some FRAGENs or FRANZENs (Could be FRANZEN as the signature is in the old German Scripting) Casket Bearers: Dr. H. Kalscheuer, M. Castenholz, Chas. Reiter, Ted Star(nin?), and Dr. E. Seegers Relatives attending: Mrs. Emma M. Kelley; Marian Kelley; Martin Schottler; Louisa Schottler; George J. Schuh; M&M A. J. Weiand; Math Jonen; Edna Schwister; M&M Sylvester Kreuser; and Raymond Jonen. M&M W. Frangen; Mrs. W. Frangen, Sr.; Mrs. W. Frangan (Schaefer); Please let me know if these are at al familiar to you. If you are interested, I can e-mail you all the names/signatures found in his funeral book...but would send that off the Trier list as it is more related to Wisconsin than TRIER. I also have another line which settled in the Watertown, Wisconsin area--OTT/JUDERJAHN. Looking forward to hearing from you, Susan [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Marie Schuh" <[email protected]> [My husband's family has a Johann Franzen in Welschbillig in 1633. The Franzens > marry into the Dahm family 1668. My husband's ggrandfather (CarlDahm) was born in > Welschbillig in 1822 and his son Adam is born in Niles Illinois in 1857. Could > there be a connection with your Frantzen in Welchbillig and my Franzen in > Welschbillig? > > Anna Marie Schuh

Dear Ms. Schuh, This is quite a reach, although your references are to relationships 100 years earlier than I am aware of in my family. But here goes: Could it be that there is a connection from your Schuh and Dahm families of Welschbillig to any of the following persons? Johannes SCHUH (b. est. 1785 Deutschland, Rheinland-Pfalz, Kreis Trier, Igel; d. est 1840 prob. there) m. Margaretha DOSTERT. Johann SCHUH (b. est. 1795 prob. Igel; d. aft. 1845 prob. there) m. Susanna GIWER 29 Jan 1845 Igel. Joannis Mathias DAHM (b. bef. 1752 Deutschland, Rheinland-Pfalz, Kreis Saarburg, Wasserliesch; d. bef. 1824 there) m. Maria Elisabetha FISCHER 10 Feb 1789. Their children: Anna Maria (b. 1790.03.24, m. Mathia HOFFMAN), Maria Anna (b. 179210.09), Susanna (b. 1797.03.15), Joannes (b. 180103.08 m. Maria STEIN of Soest 1824.01.11), Catharina (b. 1803.11.07 m. Johann Matthias KOHN 1825.01.12). Thomas Kohn Your message >>>> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:56:16 -0500 From: Anna Marie Schuh <[email protected]> To: [email protected] My husband's family has a Johann Franzen in Welschbillig in 1633. The Franzens marry into the Dahm family 1668. My husband's ggrandfather (CarlDahm) was born in Welschbillig in 1822 and his son Adam is born in Niles Illinois in 1857. ... Anna Marie Schuh

Cathy, Dr. Joseph LINGER, the son of Eva MICHELS and Christian LINGER/LENGER had the following people sign his funeral book: The date of that funeral was October 8, 1941. M&M W. Frangen; Mrs. W. Frangen, Sr.; Mrs. W. Frangan (Schaefer); It is very possible that this is FRANZEN and not FRANGEN...due to the old scripting...are any of these people related to you? Please e-mail me off-list so we can discuss this and share other lines--which may proove a link. Susan [email protected] From: "Fred & Kathy Overkamp" <[email protected]> > Hi- guess I will add a wee bit of my Michels family here also: I have an > Anna Maria Michels marrying in the village of Welchbillig in 1767 to Johann > Frantzen ,b. 1738 also of Welchbillig. I do not know the parents of Anna > Maria. > Perhaps this will help locate some " older " Family members. Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > I think there is a high probability that they may be related. Eva > MICHELS, > > daughter of George MICHELS and > > Anna Marie THELEN/THELAN/THIELEN, married Christian LIENGER/LINGER--also > > from teh Trier area of Prussia. > > > > George MICHELS settled first in Belgium, Wisconsin: > > > > Patentee Name; State; County; Issue Date Land Office Doc.; Nr. > Accession > > MICHELS, GEORGE WI Ozaukee 2/10/1848 Milwaukee 23440 WI2930__.373 > > MICHELS, GEORGE WI Washington 5/1/1855 Milwaukee 36033 WI3180__.156 > > > > Christian's father and some other sibs moved up to Stearns county, > Minnesota > > about 1860. > > > > Susan > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Schmitt" <[email protected]> > > To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > Might this be the same Michels family resident at Belgium, Ozaukee Co. > c. > > > 1857. Henry (Heinrich) Michels, son of Michael & Angelika Michels, > born > > c. > > > 1829, married Anna Neis, daughter of Lorenz Neis and Christina Schueller > > > from Dreis, Canton Daun, Trier. This family moved on to MN (Meiers > Grove) > > > then Uniontown, Washington state. I seek any additional information. > Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:22 PM > > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > > > > Posting new info which Werner found and wish to thank Werner publicly > > and > > > > personally! > > > > > > > > WOW!!! I always thought there was a family connection with the > > WEBER's, > > > > because they were sponsors/godparents on some of the baptismal > records. > > > > > > > > There are also SCHNEIDERs in that same area: > > > > Petri Schneider married Apolonia Schmits and had the following > children: > > > > > > > > John Schneider who married Ana Christina Holzhem (b. May 30, 1862-died > > > ???). > > > > They were married on November 24, 1885. > > > > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee > > Falls), > > > > Wisconsin indicate that Anna Christina Holzhem was born 30 May 1862 > and > > > > baptized 1 June 1862. Her baptismal sponsors were: Georgio MICHELS > and > > > > Christina FUSS. > > > > Marriage record: > > > > She married on 24 November 1885 to Joannum Schneider of Minnesota, s/o > > > > Petrie Schneider and Apolonia Schmits (spelled as recorded in Catholic > > > > Records). Witnesses for the marriage included Engelberto Lehman and > Ana > > > > Holzem. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Engelburt Schneider who married Ana Maria Holzhem. Ana Maria Holzhem > > was > > > > born on February 10, 1864 in Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > > > This marriage took place in 1877. > > > > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee > > Falls), > > > > Wisconsin indicate that Ana Maria was born 10 February 1864 and > baptized > > > 14 > > > > February 1864. Her sponsors were: Henry FUSS and Ana Maria MICHELS. > > > > > > > > She married Engelburtum SCHNEIDER of Minnesota, s/o Petri Schneider > and > > > > Apolonia Schmitz (as spelled this time in the church records), in > > 1877--no > > > > specific month or date was recorded. Witnesses for this marriage > > > included: > > > > Chrysanthi Len---(unreadable) and Elizabeth Holzem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Werner Lichter" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; "TRIER-ROOTS" > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:29 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan and all the others, > > > > > what an interesting mail. > > > > > Let me send you the datas of this Michels family: > > > > > > > > > > (datas from the familybook of "Schankweiler, from Werner Naumann , > > page > > > > > 145) > > > > > > > > > > Barthel MICHELS > > > > > a teacher > > > > > born in unknown > > > > > death 05 Nov. 1856 in Holsthum > > > > > > > > > > married before 1833 in unknown to > > > > > > > > > > Margaretha Weber > > > > > born in unknown > > > > > died in USA unknown > > > > > > > > > > this family moved (for teaching) before February 1833 to Holsthum. > > There > > > > > the following children where born: > > > > > 1. 02.12.1833 Catharina > > > > > 2. 03.31.1838 Anna Clara > > > > > 3. 09.25.1840 Anton (to USA in 1857) > > > > > 4. 12.31.1843 Leonard > > > > > 5. 12.30.1848 Johann Philipp > > > > > The first emigrant from this family was Anton Michels. In his > > "permisson > > > > > to emigrate" her wrote: > > > > > "My mother is the widdow of the teacher Batholomaeus (called > Barthel) > > > > > Michels who died at September 5th last year here in Holsthum. She > has > > a > > > > > sister who´s married in the state of Wisconsin. She wants to have me > > > > > with her. For that she has sent a socalled Mr. Peter Schneider from > > > > > Bettendorf to me to bring me to her in USA. He is working since two > > > > > years at her (farm ?). Now I am ready (with the permission of my > > mother) > > > > > to emigrate on October 10th to Wisconsin. Date of prussian > Certificate > > > > > of Permission September 7th 1857. > > > > > I am shure that the complete family emigrated after 1857 and I think > > > > > this happened before 1869. > > > > > It is possible to clear where Mr. Bathel Michels was born, because > we > > > > > have the date of death. The civil records will tell where he was > born > > > > > and who were his parents. > > > > > There was no Lenger living in that parish of Schankweiler > (containing > > > > > the towns of Holsthum, Peffingen and Schankweiler). > > > > > Treves is the french name for Trier (government district of Trier or > > > > > city of Trier, both is correcht). > > > > > Holzem is the slang variation of three towns: > > > > > a. Holsthum (called Holzem) , Irrel county, district of > Bitburg-Pruem, > > > > > state of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; > > > > > b. Holzem (called Holzem) , community of Mamer, Luxemburg; > > > > > c. Holzthum (called Holtzem), community of Consthum, Luxemburg. > > > > > Maybe there are other "Holzem`s" in lorrain (France) or Belgium > > > > > (province of Luxemburg), but I don´t know yet. > > > > > Emigrants with the name "Holzem" came from the county of Daun, > > district > > > > > of Trier, Germany in 1869 and 1873: > > > > > Christian Holzem, age 35, from Boxberg in 1873 > > > > > Elisabeth Holzem, age 2, from Boxberg in 1873, > > > > > Gertrud Holzem, age 27, from Boxberg in 1873, > > > > > Johann Peter Holzem, age 58, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Magdalena Holzem, age 59, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Magdalena Holzem, age 32, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Peter Holzem, age 20, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Peter Holzem, age 4, from Boxberg in 1869, > > > > > Vincenz Holzem, age 8, from Boxberg in 1873 > > > > > Boxberg is in the parish of Beinhausen, Heyroth in the rarish of > > > > > Niederehe. They are close together. The thelen and Michels names are > > > > > located in this area, too !!!!! Perhaps the Michels family Mrs. > Nokes > > is > > > > > researching came from this area, too ? It is possible, because the > > > > > combination Michels-Thelen is typical for this region in the county > of > > > > > Daun ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours sincerely > > > > > > > > > > Werner Lichter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ##################################### > > > > > I thought I'd play out a "hunch" again... > > > > > I kept feeling like there was some connection to the LENGER's moving > > to > > > > > Jefferson County--aside from the fact that people would need to > > migrate > > > > > west to stake land claims... The obituary for George MICHELS said > that > > > > > his body was "returned to his family in Jefferson for > burial"....while > > > > > back in Wisconsin last year--I traveled many country roads all > around > > > > > Jefferson County--stopping at numerous cemeteries...At St. Lawrence > > > > > Cemetery, which is located on Hwy 18 out of Jefferson and toward > > > > > Milwaukee...I found out that a Priest by the name of Rev. Anthony > > > > > (Anton) MICHAELS had pastored there.. So I wrote to the Archdiocease > > of > > > > > Milwaukee a few weeks back--and said that I had searched the > graveyard > > > > > at St. Lawrence and had not located the grave for Father > MICHAELS..and > > > > > wondered if they had any records about his ministry or where he > might > > be > > > > > buried... > > > > > This is what they sent me: > > > > > Rev. Anthony (Anton) Francis MICHAELS Born September 25, 1840 at > > > > > Holsthum (Treves) Germany Studied at St. Francis Seminary Ordained > > > > > August 12, 1868 in Milwaukee by Bishop Melchers of Green Bay for the > > > > > diocease of Milwaukee Came to the diocease as a boy in 1857. As > > priest > > > > > in 1868. Came from Treves, Germany Incorporated into this diocease > in > > > > > 1868. Stationed at present St. Joseph's Convent in Milwaukee > Formerly: > > > > > St. Matthias, Beloit Rd.; St. Boniface, Germantown; Teachers > Seminary, > > > > > St. Francis; St. Laurence near Jefferson; St. Martin's, Ashford; St. > > > > > Matthew's, New Castle; Winona, Minn. as chaplainto School Sisters of > > St. > > > > > Francis; St. Joseph's Convent as its spiritual director. He died as > > the > > > > > spiritual director of the School Sisters of St. Francis, Milwaukee. > > > > > Died: July 18, 1911. Buried in Calvary Cemetery, Milwaukee > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > There are two sources of information about him and one varies in > > > > > information regarding his ordination. The second record states that > > he > > > > > was ordained by Bishop J. M. Henni at St. Francis on August 12, > 1868. > > > > > The record > > > > > above is the most complete with only the ordination information > > varying. > > > > > This ends what they sent to me... OK--I may be grasping at > > > > > straws--but--- > > > > > Notice the name of the town he was said to have born in: > Holsthum... > > > > > How closely this resembles the name HOLZEM or HOLZHEM.... > > > > > Ann MICHELS, the daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN > > > > > married a Jacob HOLZEM on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > > > > > Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Jacob's parents were : > > Christian > > > > > HOLZEM and Clementina (maiden name unknown). Ann MICHEL's sister was > > Eva > > > > > MICHELS who married Christian LENGER in a > > > > > dual marriage ceremony on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > > Fussville, > > > > > Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > > > > I have information which says: "St. Martin's mission parish was > > founded > > > > > in July 1846. The congregation > > > > > consisting of 21 German families, was attended by the St. Anthony > > pastor > > > > > every week before and after it had its own resident pastors. > > St.Martin's > > > > > mission school was conducted by two Chriatian Brothers from > > > > > 1847-1849...." Could those two "Christian Brothers" have been > > Christian > > > > > Lenger (husband of Elizabeth Glesius) and Christian Holzem (father > of > > > > > Jacob Holzem)??? I realize that monks or acolytes are also known as > > > > > "Brothers" in the Catholic church...but it seems strange that all of > > > > > these families were in that area at the same time. Coincidence???? > > > > > Could our families have been responsible for the building of that > > > > > church?? Could they have moved to Jefferson after the ordination of > > > > > Rev. Anton MICHAELS who then pastored at St. Laurence just outside > of > > > > > Jefferson??? Just a few questions--hoping I might find the > answers... > > > > > Fellow researcher, Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CBB13FF15A2A12BC20E4F32F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My husband's family has a Johann Franzen in Welschbillig in 1633. The Franzens marry into the Dahm family 1668. My husband's ggrandfather (CarlDahm) was born in Welschbillig in 1822 and his son Adam is born in Niles Illinois in 1857. Could there be a connection with your Frantzen in Welchbillig and my Franzen in Welschbillig? Anna Marie Schuh [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 153 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Tr ["Fred & Kathy Overkamp" <[email protected]] > #2 [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Political division ["Nancy Atkinson" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:35:15 -0400 > From: "Fred & Kathy Overkamp" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi- guess I will add a wee bit of my Michels family here also: I have an > Anna Maria Michels marrying in the village of Welchbillig in 1767 to Johann > Frantzen ,b. 1738 also of Welchbillig. I do not know the parents of Anna > Maria. > Perhaps this will help locate some " older " Family members. Cathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > I think there is a high probability that they may be related. Eva > MICHELS, > > daughter of George MICHELS and > > Anna Marie THELEN/THELAN/THIELEN, married Christian LIENGER/LINGER--also > > from teh Trier area of Prussia. > > > > George MICHELS settled first in Belgium, Wisconsin: > > > > Patentee Name; State; County; Issue Date Land Office Doc.; Nr. > Accession > > MICHELS, GEORGE WI Ozaukee 2/10/1848 Milwaukee 23440 WI2930__.373 > > MICHELS, GEORGE WI Washington 5/1/1855 Milwaukee 36033 WI3180__.156 > > > > Christian's father and some other sibs moved up to Stearns county, > Minnesota > > about 1860. > > > > Susan > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Schmitt" <[email protected]> > > To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > Might this be the same Michels family resident at Belgium, Ozaukee Co. > c. > > > 1857. Henry (Heinrich) Michels, son of Michael & Angelika Michels, > born > > c. > > > 1829, married Anna Neis, daughter of Lorenz Neis and Christina Schueller > > > from Dreis, Canton Daun, Trier. This family moved on to MN (Meiers > Grove) > > > then Uniontown, Washington state. I seek any additional information. > Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:22 PM > > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > > > > Posting new info which Werner found and wish to thank Werner publicly > > and > > > > personally! > > > > > > > > WOW!!! I always thought there was a family connection with the > > WEBER's, > > > > because they were sponsors/godparents on some of the baptismal > records. > > > > > > > > There are also SCHNEIDERs in that same area: > > > > Petri Schneider married Apolonia Schmits and had the following > children: > > > > > > > > John Schneider who married Ana Christina Holzhem (b. May 30, 1862-died > > > ???). > > > > They were married on November 24, 1885. > > > > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee > > Falls), > > > > Wisconsin indicate that Anna Christina Holzhem was born 30 May 1862 > and > > > > baptized 1 June 1862. Her baptismal sponsors were: Georgio MICHELS > and > > > > Christina FUSS. > > > > Marriage record: > > > > She married on 24 November 1885 to Joannum Schneider of Minnesota, s/o > > > > Petrie Schneider and Apolonia Schmits (spelled as recorded in Catholic > > > > Records). Witnesses for the marriage included Engelberto Lehman and > Ana > > > > Holzem. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Engelburt Schneider who married Ana Maria Holzhem. Ana Maria Holzhem > > was > > > > born on February 10, 1864 in Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > > > This marriage took place in 1877. > > > > Records from St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Fussvile (Menomonee > > Falls), > > > > Wisconsin indicate that Ana Maria was born 10 February 1864 and > baptized > > > 14 > > > > February 1864. Her sponsors were: Henry FUSS and Ana Maria MICHELS. > > > > > > > > She married Engelburtum SCHNEIDER of Minnesota, s/o Petri Schneider > and > > > > Apolonia Schmitz (as spelled this time in the church records), in > > 1877--no > > > > specific month or date was recorded. Witnesses for this marriage > > > included: > > > > Chrysanthi Len---(unreadable) and Elizabeth Holzem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Werner Lichter" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "Susan Nokes" <[email protected]>; "TRIER-ROOTS" > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:29 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Treves--Trier and Michels-surname > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan and all the others, > > > > > what an interesting mail. > > > > > Let me send you the datas of this Michels family: > > > > > > > > > > (datas from the familybook of "Schankweiler, from Werner Naumann , > > page > > > > > 145) > > > > > > > > > > Barthel MICHELS > > > > > a teacher > > > > > born in unknown > > > > > death 05 Nov. 1856 in Holsthum > > > > > > > > > > married before 1833 in unknown to > > > > > > > > > > Margaretha Weber > > > > > born in unknown > > > > > died in USA unknown > > > > > > > > > > this family moved (for teaching) before February 1833 to Holsthum. > > There > > > > > the following children where born: > > > > > 1. 02.12.1833 Catharina > > > > > 2. 03.31.1838 Anna Clara > > > > > 3. 09.25.1840 Anton (to USA in 1857) > > > > > 4. 12.31.1843 Leonard > > > > > 5. 12.30.1848 Johann Philipp > > > > > The first emigrant from this family was Anton Michels. In his > > "permisson > > > > > to emigrate" her wrote: > > > > > "My mother is the widdow of the teacher Batholomaeus (called > Barthel) > > > > > Michels who died at September 5th last year here in Holsthum. She > has > > a > > > > > sister whoŽs married in the state of Wisconsin. She wants to have me > > > > > with her. For that she has sent a socalled Mr. Peter Schneider from > > > > > Bettendorf to me to bring me to her in USA. He is working since two > > > > > years at her (farm ?). Now I am ready (with the permission of my > > mother) > > > > > to emigrate on October 10th to Wisconsin. Date of prussian > Certificate > > > > > of Permission September 7th 1857. > > > > > I am shure that the complete family emigrated after 1857 and I think > > > > > this happened before 1869. > > > > > It is possible to clear where Mr. Bathel Michels was born, because > we > > > > > have the date of death. The civil records will tell where he was > born > > > > > and who were his parents. > > > > > There was no Lenger living in that parish of Schankweiler > (containing > > > > > the towns of Holsthum, Peffingen and Schankweiler). > > > > > Treves is the french name for Trier (government district of Trier or > > > > > city of Trier, both is correcht). > > > > > Holzem is the slang variation of three towns: > > > > > a. Holsthum (called Holzem) , Irrel county, district of > Bitburg-Pruem, > > > > > state of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; > > > > > b. Holzem (called Holzem) , community of Mamer, Luxemburg; > > > > > c. Holzthum (called Holtzem), community of Consthum, Luxemburg. > > > > > Maybe there are other "Holzem`s" in lorrain (France) or Belgium > > > > > (province of Luxemburg), but I donŽt know yet. > > > > > Emigrants with the name "Holzem" came from the county of Daun, > > district > > > > > of Trier, Germany in 1869 and 1873: > > > > > Christian Holzem, age 35, from Boxberg in 1873 > > > > > Elisabeth Holzem, age 2, from Boxberg in 1873, > > > > > Gertrud Holzem, age 27, from Boxberg in 1873, > > > > > Johann Peter Holzem, age 58, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Magdalena Holzem, age 59, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Magdalena Holzem, age 32, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Peter Holzem, age 20, from Heyroth in 1869, > > > > > Peter Holzem, age 4, from Boxberg in 1869, > > > > > Vincenz Holzem, age 8, from Boxberg in 1873 > > > > > Boxberg is in the parish of Beinhausen, Heyroth in the rarish of > > > > > Niederehe. They are close together. The thelen and Michels names are > > > > > located in this area, too !!!!! Perhaps the Michels family Mrs. > Nokes > > is > > > > > researching came from this area, too ? It is possible, because the > > > > > combination Michels-Thelen is typical for this region in the county > of > > > > > Daun ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours sincerely > > > > > > > > > > Werner Lichter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ##################################### > > > > > I thought I'd play out a "hunch" again... > > > > > I kept feeling like there was some connection to the LENGER's moving > > to > > > > > Jefferson County--aside from the fact that people would need to > > migrate > > > > > west to stake land claims... The obituary for George MICHELS said > that > > > > > his body was "returned to his family in Jefferson for > burial"....while > > > > > back in Wisconsin last year--I traveled many country roads all > around > > > > > Jefferson County--stopping at numerous cemeteries...At St. Lawrence > > > > > Cemetery, which is located on Hwy 18 out of Jefferson and toward > > > > > Milwaukee...I found out that a Priest by the name of Rev. Anthony > > > > > (Anton) MICHAELS had pastored there.. So I wrote to the Archdiocease > > of > > > > > Milwaukee a few weeks back--and said that I had searched the > graveyard > > > > > at St. Lawrence and had not located the grave for Father > MICHAELS..and > > > > > wondered if they had any records about his ministry or where he > might > > be > > > > > buried... > > > > > This is what they sent me: > > > > > Rev. Anthony (Anton) Francis MICHAELS Born September 25, 1840 at > > > > > Holsthum (Treves) Germany Studied at St. Francis Seminary Ordained > > > > > August 12, 1868 in Milwaukee by Bishop Melchers of Green Bay for the > > > > > diocease of Milwaukee Came to the diocease as a boy in 1857. As > > priest > > > > > in 1868. Came from Treves, Germany Incorporated into this diocease > in > > > > > 1868. Stationed at present St. Joseph's Convent in Milwaukee > Formerly: > > > > > St. Matthias, Beloit Rd.; St. Boniface, Germantown; Teachers > Seminary, > > > > > St. Francis; St. Laurence near Jefferson; St. Martin's, Ashford; St. > > > > > Matthew's, New Castle; Winona, Minn. as chaplainto School Sisters of > > St. > > > > > Francis; St. Joseph's Convent as its spiritual director. He died as > > the > > > > > spiritual director of the School Sisters of St. Francis, Milwaukee. > > > > > Died: July 18, 1911. Buried in Calvary Cemetery, Milwaukee > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > There are two sources of information about him and one varies in > > > > > information regarding his ordination. The second record states that > > he > > > > > was ordained by Bishop J. M. Henni at St. Francis on August 12, > 1868. > > > > > The record > > > > > above is the most complete with only the ordination information > > varying. > > > > > This ends what they sent to me... OK--I may be grasping at > > > > > straws--but--- > > > > > Notice the name of the town he was said to have born in: > Holsthum... > > > > > How closely this resembles the name HOLZEM or HOLZHEM.... > > > > > Ann MICHELS, the daughter of George MICHELS and Anna Marie THELEN > > > > > married a Jacob HOLZEM on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > > > > > Fussville, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. Jacob's parents were : > > Christian > > > > > HOLZEM and Clementina (maiden name unknown). Ann MICHEL's sister was > > Eva > > > > > MICHELS who married Christian LENGER in a > > > > > dual marriage ceremony on November 05, 1861 at St. Anthony's, > > Fussville, > > > > > Waukesha County, Wisconsin. > > > > > I have information which says: "St. Martin's mission parish was > > founded > > > > > in July 1846. The congregation > > > > > consisting of 21 German families, was attended by the St. Anthony > > pastor > > > > > every week before and after it had its own resident pastors. > > St.Martin's > > > > > mission school was conducted by two Chriatian Brothers from > > > > > 1847-1849...." Could those two "Christian Brothers" have been > > Christian > > > > > Lenger (husband of Elizabeth Glesius) and Christian Holzem (father > of > > > > > Jacob Holzem)??? I realize that monks or acolytes are also known as > > > > > "Brothers" in the Catholic church...but it seems strange that all of > > > > > these families were in that area at the same time. Coincidence???? > > > > > Could our families have been responsible for the building of that > > > > > church?? Could they have moved to Jefferson after the ordination of > > > > > Rev. Anton MICHAELS who then pastored at St. Laurence just outside > of > > > > > Jefferson??? Just a few questions--hoping I might find the > answers... > > > > > Fellow researcher, Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Political divisions 1760 - 1832 > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:16:53 -0400 > From: "Nancy Atkinson" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I am reposting under a different subject due to lack of response to > original query. > > I am researching my ancestors who come from a cluster of towns/villages > located near Kreis Krueznach. I know how and where to find parish and > civil records for these towns but I can't seem to get a handle on how to > record the various locations across time in my Family Tree Maker > database. > > For example: was Kreis Krueznach always part of Koblenz? During what > years was it part of Prussia, French Republic, Germany, etc. > > Here are the towns I am searching during the years 1760 - 1832: > Bretzenheim Heddesheim Winzenheim Wallhausen Rudesheim Waldhilbersheim > Sponheim Planig etc. > > I would appreciate any help in understanding this history and geography > of this area. > > Regards, > Nancy Atkinson > Manchester, New Hampshire, USA --------------CBB13FF15A2A12BC20E4F32F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="annschuh.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Anna Marie Schuh Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="annschuh.vcf" begin:vcard n:Schuh;Anna Marie tel;home:773-631-1332 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:[email protected] fn:Anna Marie Schuh, Ph.D. end:vcard --------------CBB13FF15A2A12BC20E4F32F--

I am reposting under a different subject due to lack of response to original query. I am researching my ancestors who come from a cluster of towns/villages located near Kreis Krueznach. I know how and where to find parish and civil records for these towns but I can't seem to get a handle on how to record the various locations across time in my Family Tree Maker database. For example: was Kreis Krueznach always part of Koblenz? During what years was it part of Prussia, French Republic, Germany, etc. Here are the towns I am searching during the years 1760 - 1832: Bretzenheim Heddesheim Winzenheim Wallhausen Rudesheim Waldhilbersheim Sponheim Planig etc. I would appreciate any help in understanding this history and geography of this area. Regards, Nancy Atkinson Manchester, New Hampshire, USA

I am new to this list and am researching the May and Popppelreiter family's from Trier. Does anyone know of any websites that would be useful in my research? Thanks for your help. Karen

...John, ...I understand what you are saying. I did send the History of Borg, Rettel, and Orscholz because I thought others on this list may also be interested in the history of this area. I was sharing information. However, I'm having a new experience. Just within the past month I have come in contact with my great-great grandfather's brother's family that still live in their ancestral home village. She understands German and I only understand American English. We both use a computer translator (which also doesn't differentiate between English English and American English). We do receive weird translations. ...I'm doing my best, however, by my sharing the information as she gives it to me is the most accurate way. I certainly donot want to give inaccurate information to others interested in the long complicated history of this area. I'm still trying to figure out in what year an ancestor lived, what village, and what county that village belonged to when looking for records. I'm finding some who said they came from Prussia, others Germany, others Alsace Lorraine, others France, others Luxembourg, others Luxembourg Germany, others Belgium. ...The last thing I need to do is change any of the information that is shared with me by my new found 3rd Cousin once removed. It seems she is going to the actually source for the most correct information. ...Like I said I understand what your saying, however, I'm sorry I can't do any better. Alice John Brunner wrote: > > Is there something that can be done to prevent the conversion of the > Umlaut and other accent marks into the "=(Letter)(Numeral)" code? > Some of the conversions can be identified but others seem somewhat > obscure. It would be much easier to read the e-mail from our German > speaking friends if something could be done to rectify this problem. > Vielen Dank. > John F. Brunner > > ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- > Originally From: [email protected] > Subject: TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #150 > Date: 06/25/2002 01:17am > > X-Message: #1 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:16:24 0200 > From: [email protected] (Werner Lichter) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg/Bourich--Tressel > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tom.po.com id > g5P7JlhO009173 > > Hello, > Beurig is the correct writing and Beurich the spelling. Today it is a > part of the city of Saarburg at the river Saar, 15 miles southwest of > Trier. From this area a lot of people emigrated in the 1840`s and > 1850`s. > The emigration lists in Mr. Mergen=B4s book gegin late in 1857. So the > former emigrants are not listed in his book. The emigrants without a > permission are not listed, too. > The emigrants names from Beurig are: > Hauser, > Jaeger, > Schuh, > Weber, > Kronenburger, > Adams, > Wagner. > > Werner Lichter > Gilzem/Germany > > ################ > > >=20 > > Hello, > > In reading comments about the history of Borg and its previous > > spellings, I am reminded of my ancestor's tombstone inscription-- > > "Johann Tressel, Geb Beurich, Kries Trier, Regieringshezsch > Saarberg, > > Geb 17 June 1797." Obviously, many naive spelling errors in it. I > > had decided that "Beurich" was Beurig, but possibly it should have > > been Borg? Johann came to Illinois in the early 1850's. > > Ann > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Is there something that can be done to prevent the conversion of the Umlaut and other accent marks into the "=(Letter)(Numeral)" code? Some of the conversions can be identified but others seem somewhat obscure. It would be much easier to read the e-mail from our German speaking friends if something could be done to rectify this problem. Vielen Dank. John F. Brunner ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: [email protected] Subject: TRIER-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #150 Date: 06/25/2002 01:17am X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:16:24 0200 From: [email protected] (Werner Lichter) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Borg/Bourich--Tressel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tom.po.com id g5P7JlhO009173 Hello, Beurig is the correct writing and Beurich the spelling. Today it is a part of the city of Saarburg at the river Saar, 15 miles southwest of Trier. From this area a lot of people emigrated in the 1840`s and 1850`s. The emigration lists in Mr. Mergen=B4s book gegin late in 1857. So the former emigrants are not listed in his book. The emigrants without a permission are not listed, too. The emigrants names from Beurig are: Hauser, Jaeger, Schuh, Weber, Kronenburger, Adams, Wagner. Werner Lichter Gilzem/Germany ################ >=20 > Hello, > In reading comments about the history of Borg and its previous > spellings, I am reminded of my ancestor's tombstone inscription-- > "Johann Tressel, Geb Beurich, Kries Trier, Regieringshezsch Saarberg, > Geb 17 June 1797." Obviously, many naive spelling errors in it. I > had decided that "Beurich" was Beurig, but possibly it should have > been Borg? Johann came to Illinois in the early 1850's. > Ann >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe ______________________________