Looking for information and lost family members of my Great Grandmother and her parents. Lived in Blavenstein Pommeria Emily Thurow Steinke born 7-26-1875 died in Milwaukee, WI 11-18-1947 Her parents were Fredrick Thurow born in Pommeria 6-1-1849 died 2-21-1921 and Albertina Rassch thurow born in Pommeria 7-23-1857 and died 9-8-1919 can anyone help me out. Came to Milwaukee in the late 1800s Thanks LYNDA DOBERSTEIN

I have looked at the article of Guido Müller and he translates "Synodalis" (not Synodale) by Kirchenschöffe. Since Synodalis is a latin word, but in German the word Synodale also really exists it is well probable that people "gemanized" the term Synodalis by writing Synodale even if the true sense was not exactly that... Barbara ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Voves, Michael" <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : lundi 29 juillet 2002 02:48 Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Synodale > Dear List, > > I believe that the appearance of the term "Synodale" indicates that the > individual was a "Kirchenschoeffe", or lay judge in an ecclesiastical court. > I came across an article in the periodicals on CD published by the > Arbeitsgemeinschaft fuer Saarlaendische Familienkunde e.V. The article is > called "Lateinische Berufs- und Standesbezeichnungen in katholischen > Kirchenbuechern" by a man named Guido Mueller. The article gives a > translation of latin occupational terms used in Catholic church records. > Mr. Mueller defines the term "Synodale" or "Synodalis" as "Kirchenschoeffe" > (church lay judge). Since the use of Latin in church records is very heavy > in the Trier area, it should not be surprising that officials would use a > Latin term in place of "Schoeffe" (lay judge). Also, it could be that use > of the term Synodale was specific to instances where the court fell under > the jurisdiction of an ecclesiastical lord (like the St. Paulin foundation > in Trier), as opposed to a secular lord. > > Some time back in April I posted an explanation of the meanings of the > related terms Meier, Schoeffe and Synodale. You can look on that thread for > further information. > > In regards to the term "paulinischer Meier" in Oberleuken: the Leuk stream > that runs through Oberleuken once divided the > village politically, as well as physically. Half of the village was part of > Lorraine (or Lothringen), while the other half was part of the Trier > electorate (the "kurtrierisch" section). The collegiate theological > foundation of St. Paulin in Trier was bestowed with property in Oberleuken. > The foundation would have appointed a local Oberleuken tenant as "Meier" to > collect rents, hold court and preserve law and order and generally look > after the foundation's interests. The Meier would have presided over > session in the basic court, and in certain instances, would have had a jury > of local residents (Schoeffen or Synodalen) to hear matters of dispute. > > Mike Voves > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Note: Regarding the word Synodale or synodale: In my English dictionary, the word, synodale was not capitalized and was an adjective. In the German, Familienbuch Mettlach un Umgebung by Reinhold Junges, the word Synodale was capitalized and used as a Noun. It appears to me, sometimes it may have been used as a description of a person and other times was used as a noun: Such as, The Synodale Franz WEBER or Franz WEBER was a synodale in Oberleuken before his death in 1754. Maybe this depends on the importance of the word "synodale"; at the time, date, place, country, religion, language, and social factors. I guess this is another example of how important it is to try to understand as much as we can the events in Alsace Lorraine. Alice barbara schnubel wrote: > > I have looked at the article of Guido Müller and he translates "Synodalis" > (not Synodale) by Kirchenschöffe. Since Synodalis is a latin word, but in > German the word Synodale also really exists it is well probable that people > "gemanized" the term Synodalis by writing Synodale even if the true sense > was not exactly that... > > Barbara > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : "Voves, Michael" <[email protected]> > À : <[email protected]> > Envoyé : lundi 29 juillet 2002 02:48 > Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Synodale > > > Dear List, > > > > I believe that the appearance of the term "Synodale" indicates that the > > individual was a "Kirchenschoeffe", or lay judge in an ecclesiastical > court. > > I came across an article in the periodicals on CD published by the > > Arbeitsgemeinschaft fuer Saarlaendische Familienkunde e.V. The article is > > called "Lateinische Berufs- und Standesbezeichnungen in katholischen > > Kirchenbuechern" by a man named Guido Mueller. The article gives a > > translation of latin occupational terms used in Catholic church records. > > Mr. Mueller defines the term "Synodale" or "Synodalis" as > "Kirchenschoeffe" > > (church lay judge). Since the use of Latin in church records is very > heavy > > in the Trier area, it should not be surprising that officials would use a > > Latin term in place of "Schoeffe" (lay judge). Also, it could be that use > > of the term Synodale was specific to instances where the court fell under > > the jurisdiction of an ecclesiastical lord (like the St. Paulin foundation > > in Trier), as opposed to a secular lord. > > > > Some time back in April I posted an explanation of the meanings of the > > related terms Meier, Schoeffe and Synodale. You can look on that thread > for > > further information. > > > > In regards to the term "paulinischer Meier" in Oberleuken: the Leuk > stream > > that runs through Oberleuken once divided the > > village politically, as well as physically. Half of the village was part > of > > Lorraine (or Lothringen), while the other half was part of the Trier > > electorate (the "kurtrierisch" section). The collegiate theological > > foundation of St. Paulin in Trier was bestowed with property in > Oberleuken. > > The foundation would have appointed a local Oberleuken tenant as "Meier" > to > > collect rents, hold court and preserve law and order and generally look > > after the foundation's interests. The Meier would have presided over > > session in the basic court, and in certain instances, would have had a > jury > > of local residents (Schoeffen or Synodalen) to hear matters of dispute. > > > > Mike Voves > > > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Dear List, I believe that the appearance of the term "Synodale" indicates that the individual was a "Kirchenschoeffe", or lay judge in an ecclesiastical court. I came across an article in the periodicals on CD published by the Arbeitsgemeinschaft fuer Saarlaendische Familienkunde e.V. The article is called "Lateinische Berufs- und Standesbezeichnungen in katholischen Kirchenbuechern" by a man named Guido Mueller. The article gives a translation of latin occupational terms used in Catholic church records. Mr. Mueller defines the term "Synodale" or "Synodalis" as "Kirchenschoeffe" (church lay judge). Since the use of Latin in church records is very heavy in the Trier area, it should not be surprising that officials would use a Latin term in place of "Schoeffe" (lay judge). Also, it could be that use of the term Synodale was specific to instances where the court fell under the jurisdiction of an ecclesiastical lord (like the St. Paulin foundation in Trier), as opposed to a secular lord. Some time back in April I posted an explanation of the meanings of the related terms Meier, Schoeffe and Synodale. You can look on that thread for further information. In regards to the term "paulinischer Meier" in Oberleuken: the Leuk stream that runs through Oberleuken once divided the village politically, as well as physically. Half of the village was part of Lorraine (or Lothringen), while the other half was part of the Trier electorate (the "kurtrierisch" section). The collegiate theological foundation of St. Paulin in Trier was bestowed with property in Oberleuken. The foundation would have appointed a local Oberleuken tenant as "Meier" to collect rents, hold court and preserve law and order and generally look after the foundation's interests. The Meier would have presided over session in the basic court, and in certain instances, would have had a jury of local residents (Schoeffen or Synodalen) to hear matters of dispute. Mike Voves

Gencircles.com is not a scam. It is legitimate one, and it doesn't frame other sites. I use it often to locate other sites containing my family connections. No charge or fee to access. This is one that have search engine to seach BOTH the GenForum and the Rootsweb Message Boards same time. David Samuelsen, listowner Jacquelyn Brant wrote: > > You didn't mention gencircles.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carol > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 7/28/2002 9:16:36 AM > > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Warning Scam > Shams > > > > > > Hi All, > > This is a message from one of my mailing list that I thought you might like > to read and stash away for future reference. > > Maybe it will help us from getting scammed. > > Best, > > Carol > > > > > > This week I received two messages from two different researchers, > each > > parallelling the other. The first message was from a list > member > > regarding another new alias of our old nemesis, Family > Discovery. Then, > > I received a second message from a researcher on another list > regarding > > scam/spam. In lieu of these new messages, I decided somebody > must be > > telling me something! So, today I'll bring you all up to speed > on the > > newest of the bad side of the Web to ensure you're all protected with > > the necessary knowledge. > > > > ALL of my lists are receiving this message, including those city, > county > > and state that I maintain. So, if you happen to be on more than > one of > > them, I apologize in advance for your having to receive this more > than > > once. > > > > This message includes the following topics: > > > > 1. Genealogyexperts.com ~ is it familydiscovery.com? > > 2. Scam/spam > > 3. Recommended sites > > > > GENEALOGYEXPERTS.COM ~ IS IT FAMILYDISCOVERY.COM? > > > > Most of us know all about these shysters. However, there are > some of > > you who are new to the Web and don't know. This is for > you: > > > > This is going to read just like my January warning! I'm sorry... > but > > the words don't want to change... I guess it's always the same story > > with these people. :( > > > > "Genealogy Experts ~ it's a new commercial enterprise!" > > > > No, it isn't. This has the same trappings of Family Discovery > using yet > > a another new alias; the same ploy as before ~ just with a new > > wrapping. Avoid them like you would any of Family Discovery's > other > > "enterprises." > > > > Tender newbies, the subject of Family Discovery is NOT new and yes, > they > > are rip-offs. This is an old subject among those of us who have > been > > doing online genealogy for at least the last two years. The > storyline > > changes a little, but the players are all the same, and you should be > > aware... > > > > Family Discovery and their alias sites (below) links their pages to > free > > Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com sites and archive > pages, USGenWeb > > sites, and privately owned sites by way of frames ... sites on which > all > > the information is already free. Unless the attached site has > some sort > > of identifier on each page, you the viewer, will not realize that > you're > > viewing free pages and *paying* for the "privilege" of doing > so! Family > > Discovery is doing this without permission and have been under > > investigation by at least two states' attorneys for the past two > years. > > > > Now, while I'm at it, you need to know those other aliases so you're > not > > taken in. Following is a list of sites associated with Family > Discovery > > domain owners in one way or another: > > > > genealogydevelopments.com > > familydiscovery.com > > genealogyfinders.com > > genealogyfinders.net > > aboent.com > > genlocator.com > > genseeker.com > > genseekers.com > > genealogy-express.com > > > > Most of the above sites bill themselves as "the most comprehensive > easy > > to use collection of online records ever compiled," or something > close > > to it. Of course it is, if they link to every free website they can > > find! Save your money and do the search yourself! You > DO NOT need to > > pay for a service that is already free if you know where to > look. If > > you need assistance, send a message to the list and state in the top > > line of your message that you're a newbie needing help; you'll > probably > > get more than you can handle! :) > > > > Census Diggins http://www.censusdiggins.com/familydiscovery.html > has > > messages online from quite a few people who have stepped forward to > tell > > you of their dealings with Family Discovery and some of their aliases. > > If you haven't done it already, it would be in your best interests to > > check it out, if only for a quick look. You newbies to online > genealogy > > would be especially wise to go to this site and read what others are > > saying so you won't be ripped off. > > > > Jeff Scism has a lot of this in BIG, BLACK, BOLD lettering (really) > on > > this page http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame/genealogyexperts.htm . > > Between Census Diggins and Jeff's Blacksheep page, you'll certainly > > understand why I'm devoting half of this Coffee to a warning. > > > > Just please, remember the above list of aliases. These people > will take > > your money, giving you little to nothing in return, and from their > past > > history will not answer any of your messages. Hide your > wallet, > > checkbook, credit card, and run! :) > > > > SPAM/SCAM > > > > This subject is one that, if not careful, could cost you your life > > savings. The second message I received said: "Larry Elder > Radio host mentioned the Nigerian spam and how people ARE > actually > > being taken in by it." If you receive this spam, the government > wants > > you to send it to them at one of two addresses [email protected] or > > [email protected] . They are doing an investigation > to get these > > people shut down. You'll need to forward the received message > WITH THE > > FULL HEADERS. See the link to Gene Olson's site (below) where > you can > > find instructions on how to open the full headers in a message. > > > > A site called Internet Scambusters > > http://www.scambusters.org/Scambusters52.html > is dedicated to > > spreading the word about every scam they find out about. It's > one you > > definitely want to visit. They have a newsletter that I receive > that > > helps me stay ahead of these ripoffs; you might want to begin > receiving > > it, yourself. > > > > EIGHT TIPS TO AVOID BEING TAKEN: > > > > 1.) Don't ever buy an item that you learn about via bulk email > ("spam"). > > Your chances of receiving the item *at all* are only 45%, and the > > chance of your getting what you think at a reasonable price (so > > you're happy with the transaction) is less than 5%. In other words, > > "If it's spam, it's scam." > > > > 2. Always use a credit card to purchase online. This protects > you. > > Your maximum exposure is $50, and often you won't even lose that > > amount if you get scammed. > > > > 3. If you are buying something at a reputable online auction > site, > > always check out the references for the seller and only buy from > > sellers who have good references. Take advantage of online > > auction guarantees, such as those offered by amazon.com. > > > > 4. Don't conduct business with an anonymous user. Get the > person's > > real name, business name (if applicable), address, and phone > > number. Verify this information before buying. And don't send your > > payment to a post office box. > > > > 5. Be more cautious if the seller uses a free email service, > such as > > hotmail, yahoo, etc. Of course, most people who use these free > > services are honest. However, most problems occur when a free > > service is used. After all, with a free email service, it is very > easy > > for the seller to keep his or her real identity and information > hidden. > > > > 6. If the unsubscribe address is at a generic domain like Yahoo > or > > Hotmail, chances are that your request will never be opened. On the > > other hand, if the site the spam mail is advertising has a quality > > domain, and the return address is within that domain, it's much more > > likely that the message will be read and may even be acted upon. > > > > 7. Save copies of all of the emails and other documents involved > in the > > transaction. Then, if you discover that an item is counterfeit or not > as > > advertised, you have documentation to help you deal with the problem. > > > > 8. Use common sense and trust your intuition. If you have a > funny > > feeling about an item, don't buy it. You're very likely right that it > is > > counterfeit. > > > > RECOMMENDED SITES > > > > Bad Business Web Site http://www.compuright.net/EWOlson/badbusiness/ > > will give you instructions on how to forward an e-mail with the > complete > > headers ~ something you need to know in order to forward spam/scam > > messages to the government and spam- or scam-reporting sites. > > > > Internet Fraud Complaint Center http://www.ifccfbi.gov is a > > partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the > National > > White Collar Crime Center which addresses fraud committed over the > > Internet by providing an easy to use way of alerting the authorities. > > > > ScamWatch http://www.scamwatch.com provides > complete fraud Protection > > services for the entire Web community. These services include > > investigation, tracking, recording and removal of fraudulent > activities > > (scams) on the Internet. Most services are available 24 hours a day > and > > are cost free. [NOTE: Due to inadequate funding for their sites, Web > > Police, InterGOV, and all related agencies curtailed "all > non-essential" > > services to the Internet community on July 22nd. It appears > though, > > that you can still report a scam.] > > > > Victim-Assistance Online http://www.vaonline.org is a > non-profit > > organization serving the international community. They are an on-line > > reference and communications resource for victim assistance service > and > > support organizations, the staff and volunteers of these > organizations, > > professionals in related fields and the general public. > > > > Our ancestors didn't have to put up with shysters in the same way we > do > > today. Today we are almost required for our own survival to be > one step > > ahead of "them" and certainly to be aware. It's my hope that this > > message, if you didn't already know, has done that for you. > > > > > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > --- Jacquelyn Brant > > --- [email protected] > > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

You didn't mention gencircles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol To: [email protected] Sent: 7/28/2002 9:16:36 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Warning Scam Shams Hi All, This is a message from one of my mailing list that I thought you might like to read and stash away for future reference. Maybe it will help us from getting scammed. Best, Carol This week I received two messages from two different researchers, each parallelling the other. The first message was from a list member regarding another new alias of our old nemesis, Family Discovery. Then, I received a second message from a researcher on another list regarding scam/spam. In lieu of these new messages, I decided somebody must be telling me something! So, today I'll bring you all up to speed on the newest of the bad side of the Web to ensure you're all protected with the necessary knowledge. ALL of my lists are receiving this message, including those city, county and state that I maintain. So, if you happen to be on more than one of them, I apologize in advance for your having to receive this more than once. This message includes the following topics: 1. Genealogyexperts.com ~ is it familydiscovery.com? 2. Scam/spam 3. Recommended sites GENEALOGYEXPERTS.COM ~ IS IT FAMILYDISCOVERY.COM? Most of us know all about these shysters. However, there are some of you who are new to the Web and don't know. This is for you: This is going to read just like my January warning! I'm sorry... but the words don't want to change... I guess it's always the same story with these people. :( "Genealogy Experts ~ it's a new commercial enterprise!" No, it isn't. This has the same trappings of Family Discovery using yet a another new alias; the same ploy as before ~ just with a new wrapping. Avoid them like you would any of Family Discovery's other "enterprises." Tender newbies, the subject of Family Discovery is NOT new and yes, they are rip-offs. This is an old subject among those of us who have been doing online genealogy for at least the last two years. The storyline changes a little, but the players are all the same, and you should be aware... Family Discovery and their alias sites (below) links their pages to free Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com sites and archive pages, USGenWeb sites, and privately owned sites by way of frames ... sites on which all the information is already free. Unless the attached site has some sort of identifier on each page, you the viewer, will not realize that you're viewing free pages and *paying* for the "privilege" of doing so! Family Discovery is doing this without permission and have been under investigation by at least two states' attorneys for the past two years. Now, while I'm at it, you need to know those other aliases so you're not taken in. Following is a list of sites associated with Family Discovery domain owners in one way or another: genealogydevelopments.com familydiscovery.com genealogyfinders.com genealogyfinders.net aboent.com genlocator.com genseeker.com genseekers.com genealogy-express.com Most of the above sites bill themselves as "the most comprehensive easy to use collection of online records ever compiled," or something close to it. Of course it is, if they link to every free website they can find! Save your money and do the search yourself! You DO NOT need to pay for a service that is already free if you know where to look. If you need assistance, send a message to the list and state in the top line of your message that you're a newbie needing help; you'll probably get more than you can handle! :) Census Diggins http://www.censusdiggins.com/familydiscovery.html has messages online from quite a few people who have stepped forward to tell you of their dealings with Family Discovery and some of their aliases. If you haven't done it already, it would be in your best interests to check it out, if only for a quick look. You newbies to online genealogy would be especially wise to go to this site and read what others are saying so you won't be ripped off. Jeff Scism has a lot of this in BIG, BLACK, BOLD lettering (really) on this page http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame/genealogyexperts.htm . Between Census Diggins and Jeff's Blacksheep page, you'll certainly understand why I'm devoting half of this Coffee to a warning. Just please, remember the above list of aliases. These people will take your money, giving you little to nothing in return, and from their past history will not answer any of your messages. Hide your wallet, checkbook, credit card, and run! :) SPAM/SCAM This subject is one that, if not careful, could cost you your life savings. The second message I received said: "Larry Elder Radio host mentioned the Nigerian spam and how people ARE actually being taken in by it." If you receive this spam, the government wants you to send it to them at one of two addresses [email protected] or [email protected] . They are doing an investigation to get these people shut down. You'll need to forward the received message WITH THE FULL HEADERS. See the link to Gene Olson's site (below) where you can find instructions on how to open the full headers in a message. A site called Internet Scambusters http://www.scambusters.org/Scambusters52.html is dedicated to spreading the word about every scam they find out about. It's one you definitely want to visit. They have a newsletter that I receive that helps me stay ahead of these ripoffs; you might want to begin receiving it, yourself. EIGHT TIPS TO AVOID BEING TAKEN: 1.) Don't ever buy an item that you learn about via bulk email ("spam"). Your chances of receiving the item *at all* are only 45%, and the chance of your getting what you think at a reasonable price (so you're happy with the transaction) is less than 5%. In other words, "If it's spam, it's scam." 2. Always use a credit card to purchase online. This protects you. Your maximum exposure is $50, and often you won't even lose that amount if you get scammed. 3. If you are buying something at a reputable online auction site, always check out the references for the seller and only buy from sellers who have good references. Take advantage of online auction guarantees, such as those offered by amazon.com. 4. Don't conduct business with an anonymous user. Get the person's real name, business name (if applicable), address, and phone number. Verify this information before buying. And don't send your payment to a post office box. 5. Be more cautious if the seller uses a free email service, such as hotmail, yahoo, etc. Of course, most people who use these free services are honest. However, most problems occur when a free service is used. After all, with a free email service, it is very easy for the seller to keep his or her real identity and information hidden. 6. If the unsubscribe address is at a generic domain like Yahoo or Hotmail, chances are that your request will never be opened. On the other hand, if the site the spam mail is advertising has a quality domain, and the return address is within that domain, it's much more likely that the message will be read and may even be acted upon. 7. Save copies of all of the emails and other documents involved in the transaction. Then, if you discover that an item is counterfeit or not as advertised, you have documentation to help you deal with the problem. 8. Use common sense and trust your intuition. If you have a funny feeling about an item, don't buy it. You're very likely right that it is counterfeit. RECOMMENDED SITES Bad Business Web Site http://www.compuright.net/EWOlson/badbusiness/ will give you instructions on how to forward an e-mail with the complete headers ~ something you need to know in order to forward spam/scam messages to the government and spam- or scam-reporting sites. Internet Fraud Complaint Center http://www.ifccfbi.gov is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National White Collar Crime Center which addresses fraud committed over the Internet by providing an easy to use way of alerting the authorities. ScamWatch http://www.scamwatch.com provides complete fraud Protection services for the entire Web community. These services include investigation, tracking, recording and removal of fraudulent activities (scams) on the Internet. Most services are available 24 hours a day and are cost free. [NOTE: Due to inadequate funding for their sites, Web Police, InterGOV, and all related agencies curtailed "all non-essential" services to the Internet community on July 22nd. It appears though, that you can still report a scam.] Victim-Assistance Online http://www.vaonline.org is a non-profit organization serving the international community. They are an on-line reference and communications resource for victim assistance service and support organizations, the staff and volunteers of these organizations, professionals in related fields and the general public. Our ancestors didn't have to put up with shysters in the same way we do today. Today we are almost required for our own survival to be one step ahead of "them" and certainly to be aware. It's my hope that this message, if you didn't already know, has done that for you. ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html to unsubscribe --- Jacquelyn Brant --- [email protected] --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

I read the thread on "synodale" with interest since I have several ancestors [most likely Catholics] from the 1600 and 1700s in the northern Saarland who carried that appellation. When I asked about the meaning on this list several years ago, there were several suggestions as to meaning, but no one then, as now, was able to define it authoritatively. I hope there's someone somewhere someday who can give us the historic meaning of 'synodale'. Mike Fox San Antonio, Texas

Hi All, This is a message from one of my mailing list that I thought you might like to read and stash away for future reference. Maybe it will help us from getting scammed. Best, Carol This week I received two messages from two different researchers, each parallelling the other. The first message was from a list member regarding another new alias of our old nemesis, Family Discovery. Then, I received a second message from a researcher on another list regarding scam/spam. In lieu of these new messages, I decided somebody must be telling me something! So, today I'll bring you all up to speed on the newest of the bad side of the Web to ensure you're all protected with the necessary knowledge. ALL of my lists are receiving this message, including those city, county and state that I maintain. So, if you happen to be on more than one of them, I apologize in advance for your having to receive this more than once. This message includes the following topics: 1. Genealogyexperts.com ~ is it familydiscovery.com? 2. Scam/spam 3. Recommended sites GENEALOGYEXPERTS.COM ~ IS IT FAMILYDISCOVERY.COM? Most of us know all about these shysters. However, there are some of you who are new to the Web and don't know. This is for you: This is going to read just like my January warning! I'm sorry... but the words don't want to change... I guess it's always the same story with these people. :( "Genealogy Experts ~ it's a new commercial enterprise!" No, it isn't. This has the same trappings of Family Discovery using yet a another new alias; the same ploy as before ~ just with a new wrapping. Avoid them like you would any of Family Discovery's other "enterprises." Tender newbies, the subject of Family Discovery is NOT new and yes, they are rip-offs. This is an old subject among those of us who have been doing online genealogy for at least the last two years. The storyline changes a little, but the players are all the same, and you should be aware... Family Discovery and their alias sites (below) links their pages to free Rootsweb <http://www.rootsweb.com> sites and archive pages, USGenWeb sites, and privately owned sites by way of frames ... sites on which all the information is already free. Unless the attached site has some sort of identifier on each page, you the viewer, will not realize that you're viewing free pages and *paying* for the "privilege" of doing so! Family Discovery is doing this without permission and have been under investigation by at least two states' attorneys for the past two years. Now, while I'm at it, you need to know those other aliases so you're not taken in. Following is a list of sites associated with Family Discovery domain owners in one way or another: genealogydevelopments.com familydiscovery.com genealogyfinders.com genealogyfinders.net aboent.com genlocator.com genseeker.com genseekers.com genealogy-express.com Most of the above sites bill themselves as "the most comprehensive easy to use collection of online records ever compiled," or something close to it. Of course it is, if they link to every free website they can find! Save your money and do the search yourself! You DO NOT need to pay for a service that is already free if you know where to look. 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According to my German dictionary there are 3 possible definitions of synod(e) : 1. Highest organisation of the Russian-Orthodox church 2. Protestant church : Assembly composed of representatives of the community which deals with questions of the church's organisation and teaching as well as administrating the church. 3. Catholic church : Assembly composed of bishops in a Council giving counsels, taking decisions and making the rules. According to this the Synodale was certainly a layman in the protestant church, but not in the catholic church. Now either the catholic synod didn't correspond to this definition in 1600 or the bishops had the right to marry at that time (which is well possible the celibate has not always been the rule in the catholic church and it was a big battle for the church to impose the celibate of the priests). Barbara ----- Message d'origine ----- De : <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : samedi 27 juillet 2002 21:16 Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Synodale > In a message dated 7/27/2002 11:04:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > In my German-English dictionnary I found "Synodale" =3D synod member. > > And in my English dictionary I found under Synod : 1. an ecclesistical > > governing or advisory council: as a) the governing assembly of an Episcop= > > al > > province b) a Presbyterian governing body ranking between the presbytery > > and the general assembly c) a regional or national organization of Luthe= > > ran > > congregations 2. the ecclesistical district governed by a synod. > > > > In my search I have seen this "profession" only in the Protestant church, > > the catholic synod exists also but their members cannot marry. > > > > Barbara > > > > My ancestor Paul MIRKES, who lived in Niedergeckler in the 1600s, was listed > as a Synodale. He was Catholic and was married. I think it was some kind of > lay position in the church. > > Jim Ross > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Hello, Thank you all for your information. Here is the translation I have received for Paulinischer Meier, Synodale and Gerichtsschöe in Oberleuken. "Paulinischer" is a reference to the church St. Paulin in Trier. The church owned an estate in Oberleuken, and Franz as "Paulinischer Meier" took care of the estate. "Synodale" has some position in his religion and ruling authority. Barbara mentioned she looked this up in her German dictionary. I decided I would look it up in my English, The World Book Dictionary. syn od al (sin' e del), adj. having to do with a synod, "synod" n 1. an assembly called together to discuss and decide church affairs; church council. 2. a governing body or council of the Presbyterian Church ranking next above the Presbytery. 3. an assembly; convention,or council of any kind. SYN: convocation, meeting [< Late Latin: synodus < Greek synodos assembly, meeting, conjunction ( of planets) < syn- together + hodos a going, a way] Gerichtsschöffe in Oberleuken = a court juror in Oberleuken When in Germany before 1765, was a court juror; in a civil court, church court, or a court of who ever owned the land ? Thanks again, Alice barbara schnubel wrote: > > According to my German dictionary there are 3 possible definitions of > synod(e) : > 1. Highest organisation of the Russian-Orthodox church > 2. Protestant church : Assembly composed of representatives of the community > which deals with questions of the church's organisation and teaching as > well as administrating the church. > 3. Catholic church : Assembly composed of bishops in a Council giving > counsels, taking decisions and making the rules. > > According to this the Synodale was certainly a layman in the protestant > church, but not in the catholic church. > Now either the catholic synod didn't correspond to this definition in 1600 > or the bishops had the right to marry at that time (which is well possible > the celibate has not always been the rule in the catholic church and it was > a big battle for the church to impose the celibate of the priests). > > Barbara > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : <[email protected]> > À : <[email protected]> > Envoyé : samedi 27 juillet 2002 21:16 > Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Synodale > > > In a message dated 7/27/2002 11:04:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > > > > > In my German-English dictionnary I found "Synodale" =3D synod member. > > > And in my English dictionary I found under Synod : 1. an ecclesistical > > > governing or advisory council: as a) the governing assembly of an > Episcop= > > > al > > > province b) a Presbyterian governing body ranking between the > presbytery > > > and the general assembly c) a regional or national organization of > Luthe= > > > ran > > > congregations 2. the ecclesistical district governed by a synod. > > > > > > In my search I have seen this "profession" only in the Protestant > church, > > > the catholic synod exists also but their members cannot marry. > > > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > My ancestor Paul MIRKES, who lived in Niedergeckler in the 1600s, was > listed > > as a Synodale. He was Catholic and was married. I think it was some kind > of > > lay position in the church. > > > > Jim Ross > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Here the last of the little historic translations. Statute of the Saar and popular referendum 1955 Home in Europe? The question of the Saar disturbed since 1950 the West European and Atlantic integration because it prevented a French-German understanding. A solution seemed to be the europeanisation of the Saarland - a proposition of Schuhmann the French Minister of exterior in the year 1952. After the failure of the European Defence Community, France put conditions : First the question of the Saarland had to be solved. After that France could accept the end of the occupation regime and the entry of the Federal Republic in the Brussels Pact System. An agreement was reached on 23rd October 1954. In the frame of the West European Union, the Saar should receive an European statute - observed by a commissar of the WEU. The population should express its opinion over this "Statute of the Saar" in a popular referendum. In the Saarland an opposition against the economic relation to France and against the "Denationalisation" of the population had formed already since 1950. Politically this opposition was promoted by the following parties. - Democratic Party Saar (DPS) - Christian Democratic Union (CDU) - German Social Democratic Party (DSP) Only three months before the referendum those parties could begin legally their action. They said "no" to the statute of the Saar and formed together the "German-Fatherland union". On the side of those who said "yes" were the - Christian Popular Party (CVP) and the - Social Democratic Party Saar (SPS) The Communist Party, Association Saar, rejected the whole Paris treaties and thus also the Statute of the Saar. The referendum battle was very passionate. There were nationalist exaggerations - mostly from the DPS. In the referendum of the 23rd October 1995, observed by the WEU-commission, 67,7% voted against the statute of the Saar. Under the impression of a failure, the government of Hoffmann (CVP) resigned. On 29th October 1955, a transitory government under Heinrich Welsch (without party) took over the governmental administration. In the state elections of the 18th December 1955, the parties of the "Fatherland union" got the majority. The reincorporation 1957 and 1959 - The Saarland becomes a Federal State In the case that the Statute of the Saar was rejected, the French-German treaty from 1954 contained no provisions. The democratic parties of the Saarland pushed for the politic and economic incorporation in the Federal Republic. France accepted this as a political consequence of the referendum, but tried to get economic guarantees and compensations. In the spring of 1956 began difficult negotiations which were closed with the Treaty of Luxembourg on 27th October 1956. France accepted the reincorporation of the Saarland for the 1st January 1957 - against economic compromises (Making the Mosel navigable, Leasing of the coal of the Warndt). The money and economic union with France should stay until the end of 1959 at the latest. For that there were two special agreements: a.. For the import from the Federal Republic (until 1959) b.. for the merchandise transport to France (after 1959) The assembly of the Saarland declared on 14th December 1956 the formal joining demanded by the Basic Law to its scope. The DPS abstained because in its view the economic and social problems of the incorporation were not sufficiently clear. The time until the economic reincorporation was dominated by the worry for the keeping of the social standard of living and by the problems of the reorientation to the German market. The economy of the Saarland was first not really competitive. The Federation had to give significant financial support. The economic annexation was realised on "D day" the 6th July 1959. The party and political contrasts opened through the referendum battle, were closed slowly. a.. The SPS dissolved itself already in the spring of 1956 in the SPD. b.. The union of the CVP and the CDU took partially place in 1959. c.. The DPS associated itself with the FDP, but kept for a time its independence of organisation. The full integration of the Saarland into the politic, economic and social structures of the Federal Republic of Germany needed about twenty years.

In a message dated 7/27/2002 11:04:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > In my German-English dictionnary I found "Synodale" =3D synod member. > And in my English dictionary I found under Synod : 1. an ecclesistical > governing or advisory council: as a) the governing assembly of an Episcop= > al > province b) a Presbyterian governing body ranking between the presbytery > and the general assembly c) a regional or national organization of Luthe= > ran > congregations 2. the ecclesistical district governed by a synod. > > In my search I have seen this "profession" only in the Protestant church, > the catholic synod exists also but their members cannot marry. > > Barbara > My ancestor Paul MIRKES, who lived in Niedergeckler in the 1600s, was listed as a Synodale. He was Catholic and was married. I think it was some kind of lay position in the church. Jim Ross

In my German-English dictionnary I found "Synodale" = synod member. And in my English dictionary I found under Synod : 1. an ecclesistical governing or advisory council: as a) the governing assembly of an Episcopal province b) a Presbyterian governing body ranking between the presbytery and the general assembly c) a regional or national organization of Lutheran congregations 2. the ecclesistical district governed by a synod. In my search I have seen this "profession" only in the Protestant church, the catholic synod exists also but their members cannot marry. Barbara ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Joe Miller" <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : samedi 27 juillet 2002 07:04 Objet : Re: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Translation correction please > Just some minor changes.... > > Synodale would be an official in the Catholic Church, but one who can get > married. As near as I figure this out, it would similar to Permanent Deacon. > You will not find this word in a German/English dictionary, but after going > to H. G. Schloder's excellent website, and spending a lot of time there > adding new relatives to my database, that was what I was able to piece > together. > > If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will tell me..... > > As always, > > Joseph B. Miller > Troy, Michigan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "aellis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:56 AM > Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Translation correction please > > > > Thanks for the translations. > > Now as I continue in the translations in the Weber surname in Mettloch > > CD. > > > > Please correct me: > > > > 1. + im Kindbett > > died in the childbed or died during childbirth > > > > 2. Paulinischer Meier, Synodale und Gerichtsschöffe in Oberleuken > > overseer and court juror in Oberleuken > > > > 3. bis 1762 Dienstmagd in "Pellingen" > > to 1762 service from servant in "Pellingen" > > > > 4. (P: Class WEBER -Großvater-) > > ( Class WEBER -grandfather-) > > > > (anno 1721 erneut nachgetragen) > > (year 1721 again entered afterwards) > > > > 5. vor 1721 = before 1721 > > um 1721 = around 1721 > > bis 1721 = to 1721 > > nach 1721 = after 1721 > > anno 1721 = year 1721 > > bei 1721 = near 1721 > > d.d. 1721 = on this date 1721 > > Anfng 1721 = ? 1721 > > > > 6. (1763 Frühmessner in Perl) > > (1763 in Perl) > > > > Thanks, Alice > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > > to unsubscribe > > > > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Thank you all for the translation and information. I'm so sorry that I didn't give enough information. I was trying to be concise. The surname information I am researching and translating comes from the wonderful Familienbuch Mettlach und Umgebung by von Reinhold Junges. At the present I am researching the WEBER surname in Band IX with page -20- beginning with 19.697) WEBER Balthasar. Note: My WEBER family history before researching in the Familienbuch Mettlach was very limited. I only knew that my G-G-G- grandfather, BIWER Johannes had married a Maria Elisabeth WEBER. In the Familienbuch she is on page -21- 19.702) b) Mar. Elis. * 28.10.1746, Oberleuken "+ 25. 3.1814, Borg -19.703- o-o 1746, WOLTZ Caspar * 26. 7.1742, Faha oo 13. 1.1767, Perl BIWER Johannes -1.748 I knew nothing what so ever of the WEBER side of my family. The only other time I heard the name WEBER, was actually in oral history that when my grandfather, another John Biever, had immigrated to US, first to Washington County, Wisconsin then to Dakota Territory in 1879, he was accompanied by a WEBBER from Wisconsin to Dakota Territory. My G-G-G grandfather Johannes BIWER was Roman Catholic, so I am assuming the WEBER side was also Catholic not Protestant. It was brought up that synodale could possibly be a Permanent Deacon. That does sound like a possible strong possibility. In the United States from what I understand, a married man can become a Permanent Deacon, however, if his wife dies he cannot remary. I do not know how this is or was in Germany. They cannot do everying that a priest can do, although they can preform baptisms and marriage sacrements. Page -21- 19.701) WEBER Franz -19.698z- oo SEST Elisabeth -17.537b- Paulinischer Meier, Synodale und Gerichtsschöffe in Oberleuken What does Paulinischer mean? I assume I can translate this as an overseer in Paulinischer, a Permanent Deacon and a juror in the Court in Oberleuken. When I think of a juror, I think of a citizen called to do his/her civil duty, as 1 of 12 ciizens serving on one jury case in court. If one was a juror in a Court in Oberleuken before 1765, would this have meant serving more in a judge capacity? Thank you all for your assistance, I do think I need to obtain a good German/English dictionary. Alice Rolf Freytag wrote: > > Hello Alice, > it will be easier for me to translate the Text when I can read the full > text. > So it will be helpfull, when you also insert the place, where you found the > text. Just enter the familynumber (i.e. 19.669 ) with the textpart. > > 1. is ok > > 3. until 1762 maidservant at "Pellingen" > > 4. P: means "Pate(n)" godparents / godfather or godmother depending to the > names behind > (godfather Clas Weber -grandfather_) > > 5. vor 1721 = before 1721 > um 1721 = about 1721 > bis 1721 = until 1721 > nach 1721 = after 1721 > anno 1721 = in the year 1721 > bei 1721 = "bei" is normaly not used with a date, can it be "bis" > d.d. 1721 = ?? 1721 (not possible without the full text) > Anfng 1721 = (Anfang) at the begin of 1721 > > 6. (1763 sacist for the early mass in Perl) > > Beste Grüße > Rolf (Freytag) > > Ortsdatenbank: http://www.rolf.sytes.net:8011/myphp/index.php > mailto:[email protected] > http://www.rolf-freytag.de > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe

Hello Alice, it will be easier for me to translate the Text when I can read the full text. So it will be helpfull, when you also insert the place, where you found the text. Just enter the familynumber (i.e. 19.669 ) with the textpart. 1. is ok 3. until 1762 maidservant at "Pellingen" 4. P: means "Pate(n)" godparents / godfather or godmother depending to the names behind (godfather Clas Weber -grandfather_) 5. vor 1721 = before 1721 um 1721 = about 1721 bis 1721 = until 1721 nach 1721 = after 1721 anno 1721 = in the year 1721 bei 1721 = "bei" is normaly not used with a date, can it be "bis" d.d. 1721 = ?? 1721 (not possible without the full text) Anfng 1721 = (Anfang) at the begin of 1721 6. (1763 sacist for the early mass in Perl) Beste Grüße Rolf (Freytag) Ortsdatenbank: http://www.rolf.sytes.net:8011/myphp/index.php mailto:[email protected] http://www.rolf-freytag.de

Just some minor changes.... Synodale would be an official in the Catholic Church, but one who can get married. As near as I figure this out, it would similar to Permanent Deacon. You will not find this word in a German/English dictionary, but after going to H. G. Schloder's excellent website, and spending a lot of time there adding new relatives to my database, that was what I was able to piece together. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will tell me..... As always, Joseph B. Miller Troy, Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "aellis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Translation correction please > Thanks for the translations. > Now as I continue in the translations in the Weber surname in Mettloch > CD. > > Please correct me: > > 1. + im Kindbett > died in the childbed or died during childbirth > > 2. Paulinischer Meier, Synodale und Gerichtsschöffe in Oberleuken > overseer and court juror in Oberleuken > > 3. bis 1762 Dienstmagd in "Pellingen" > to 1762 service from servant in "Pellingen" > > 4. (P: Class WEBER -Großvater-) > ( Class WEBER -grandfather-) > > (anno 1721 erneut nachgetragen) > (year 1721 again entered afterwards) > > 5. vor 1721 = before 1721 > um 1721 = around 1721 > bis 1721 = to 1721 > nach 1721 = after 1721 > anno 1721 = year 1721 > bei 1721 = near 1721 > d.d. 1721 = on this date 1721 > Anfng 1721 = ? 1721 > > 6. (1763 Frühmessner in Perl) > (1763 in Perl) > > Thanks, Alice > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

Thanks for the translations. Now as I continue in the translations in the Weber surname in Mettloch CD. Please correct me: 1. + im Kindbett died in the childbed or died during childbirth 2. Paulinischer Meier, Synodale und Gerichtsschöffe in Oberleuken overseer and court juror in Oberleuken 3. bis 1762 Dienstmagd in "Pellingen" to 1762 service from servant in "Pellingen" 4. (P: Class WEBER -Großvater-) ( Class WEBER -grandfather-) (anno 1721 erneut nachgetragen) (year 1721 again entered afterwards) 5. vor 1721 = before 1721 um 1721 = around 1721 bis 1721 = to 1721 nach 1721 = after 1721 anno 1721 = year 1721 bei 1721 = near 1721 d.d. 1721 = on this date 1721 Anfng 1721 = ? 1721 6. (1763 Frühmessner in Perl) (1763 in Perl) Thanks, Alice

The second world war on the Saar Evacuation and deportation, destruction and liberation. In the first days of the war at the beginning of September 1939, the civil population had to leave the "Red zone", the area between the French border and the principal battle line of the Westwall. Hundreds of thousands of people were brought in collective transports to the "Rescue areas" in middle Germany. They were able to come back only after the end of the French campaign in the summer of 1940. The villages on the lower Saar and in the Bliesgau were the most destroyed. Here French troops had entered the Reich for some weeks in the autumn of 1939. In the course of the directed repopulation of the "Red zone", Jews were deported in camps in the French Pyrenées. In the Saarland the last Jews were affected on 22nd October 1940. From those 134 Jewish fellow citizens, 65 were later sent to Ausschwitz. Sick people from the institutions in Merzig and Homburg were deported to killing places in Hessen. 1943 the Gestapo constructed in Saarbrücken the KZ "Neue Bremm" for prisoners of war, people from Lorraine and Germany but mostly for forced labourers from Eastern Europe. Many were transported from Saarbrücken to the notorious extermination camps. The rest of the population also suffered from the horrors of the war. The "Regional capital Saarbrücken" lived its first devastating air attack on 30th July 1942. Another followed on 5th October 1944. At this time, the 3d American army was already advancing in Lorraine, but was stopped until March 1945 on the middle Saar and the "Orscholz-Riegel". During those battles, Saarlouis suffered the heaviest destructions. After the break through in Hunsrück, American troops conquered the area of the Saarland from the south and the north in a few days. In the smaller industrial area between Saarbrücken and Neunkirchen the arms became silent on 21st March 1945. Time of occupation and "Saar State" No more back to the Reich! After the end of the war, the Americans created a civil administration for the Saarland called the "Regierungspräsidium". When on 10th July 1945 French troops replaced the Americans, it was very soon clear that France wanted to tie the industrial area closer to it like after the first world war. Under various models the decision went in favour of an economic union and a limited autonomy. The French government defended this concept since February 1946 and worked consequently for its realisation in the Saarland. France didn't sign the agreement of Potsdam because it did not contain border changes in the West. Already in July 1945 the civil administration was dissolved and an administration commission formed on 8th October 1946. It took the place of the Regierungspräsidium. Basis for its composition were the communal elections from 15th September 1946. On 22nd December 1946, France closed the border of the Saarland with the rest of Germany and promoted so the development ! in the French way. The material misery of the population was relieved only after the political reorganisation at the end of 1947 : 5th October 1947 Elections for the constitutional assembly. 20th November 1947 Introduction of the French Franc. 17th December 1947 Coming into effect of the Constitution. 18th December 1947 First government of Saarland with Johannes Hoffmann. 1st January 1948 Replacement of the military government by a high commissariat for the Saarland. The Constitution included in its Preamble the economic annexation to France and the separation from Germany. The French politic after the war has left nearly no election possibilities to the population of the Saarland. Nevertheless the special way of the Saarland was obviously welcome by a great majority. As well negative experiences with the Prussian authority and with the "Reich", as the hope for a rapid amelioration of the economic situation determined this decision. Among the leading representatives of the Christian popular party and the Social Democratic party, there was also the experience of the emigration. The relationship with France was regulated in detail through a series of Conventions in 1950 and 1953.

1. klösterlich is the adjective for monastery = from the monastery 2. Sicherheit = certainty 3. Godmother to 4. Godfather to 5. namentlich bekannt = known by name keinerlei Erwähnungen gefunden haben = found no mention 6. Farmer is ok. Barbara ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "aellis" <[email protected]> À : <[email protected]> Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2002 07:07 Objet : [TRIER-ROOTS-L] Translation > When looking at the Mettlach und Umgebung I found some words and phrases > I'm having difficulty translating. > > 1. aus Dhron, klösterlicher Küfer in Mettlach, Pate am ... > >From Dhron, cooper in Mettlach, godfather to > > 2. hatte mit absoluter Sicherheit dir beiden nacherwähnten Kinder: > had with absolute both after-mentioned children: > > 3. Patin bei > > 4. Pate bei > godfather with > > 5. in Oberleuken hatte mindestens fünf namenlich bekannte Kinder, > in Oberleuken had at least five children, > > obgleich die drei ersterwähnten im Zusammenhang mit seinem Namen > although those three first mentioned in connection with its name > > keinerlei Erwähnung gefunden haben > none > > 6. Ackerer > farmer > > Thanks, Alice > > > ==== TRIER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/TRIER-ROOTS.html > to unsubscribe >

When looking at the Mettlach und Umgebung I found some words and phrases I'm having difficulty translating. 1. aus Dhron, klösterlicher Küfer in Mettlach, Pate am ... >From Dhron, cooper in Mettlach, godfather to 2. hatte mit absoluter Sicherheit dir beiden nacherwähnten Kinder: had with absolute both after-mentioned children: 3. Patin bei 4. Pate bei godfather with 5. in Oberleuken hatte mindestens fünf namenlich bekannte Kinder, in Oberleuken had at least five children, obgleich die drei ersterwähnten im Zusammenhang mit seinem Namen although those three first mentioned in connection with its name keinerlei Erwähnung gefunden haben none 6. Ackerer farmer Thanks, Alice