Thanks Dave. I am "hopeful" that we will figure this puzzle out sometime in our own lifetimes! Wouldn't that be a great legacy for us to leave our decendents-- the proven family heritage! Wow! awesome! Have a safe and fun trip! Happy Easter to all! Bonnie >From: Newtross@aol.com >Reply-To: TREON-L@rootsweb.com >To: TREON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TREON] TREON'S PA>OH /Bonnie's 2 cents of thoughts for the >day! >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:28:06 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [63.92.80.123] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC98A75000C04004314B3F5C507B11390; Sat Apr 07 11:28:33 2001 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id >f37ISDi22209;Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:28:13 -0700 >From TREON-L-request@rootsweb.com Sat Apr 07 11:30:20 2001 >Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:28:13 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: Newtross@aol.com Sat Apr 7 11:28:12 2001 >Message-ID: <61.cf6e73f.2800b636@aol.com> >Old-To: TREON-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 108 >Resent-Message-ID: <oUCQZB.A.1aF.9w1z6@lists5.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: TREON-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <TREON-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/100 >X-Loop: TREON-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: TREON-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Hi John & list. Great to hear from you. > > RE: DRION IN OHIO FROM HATTEN AS DEFINITE KIN TO TREON/DRION from > ship JANET??? > > Sadly, "no" proof yet! --but it is still a possibility. I'm not entirely > jumping ship on that possibility at this point. I'm just super confused! > Several issues puzzle us including the discrepancy on the gravestone > dates vs. birht info/ and who was CHRISTIAN??>> >1)Christian came on a ship, and he was a Drion or otherwise, depending on >whose translation of the ship's list you read. >2) Christian was mentioned in the lore of the Montgomery County, Ohio, >Treons >as being in their ancestry; mentioned by SEVERAL of them, not just one. >His >exact relationship varies, depending on who was doing the mentioning. We >must believe he existed, either as Johann Michael's father, or perhaps >further back. >3) Merritt Wolfe chose to call him Johann Michael's father, but found no >further trace of him. > > Here is the big dilemma: > We just are trying to figure WHO this man of family lore passed down >named > CHRISTIAN TREON/TRION/DRION really was and why isn't he listed with your > Hatten family who we thought was ours??>> He isn't listed in that Hatten >family because that Hatten family probably isn't ours. The birth date of >that Johann Michael DRION (11 Nov 1725) is at GREAT disparity with the >accepted birthdate of "our" Johann Michael (17 July 1731: calculated from >the >VERY legible age at death on his gravestone). That's a disparity of over >5-1/2 years !! That Johann Michael's father was, yes, a barber/surgeon in >Hatten. There was NO connection to the French Army. He was the village >barber/surgeon. His name was Johann Georg Drion, and his father was >Balthasar Drion, a court painter. The only other DRION of interest in this >family is Johann Georg's brother, also living in Hatten, Johann Heinrich, >artist and church elder. In NEITHER of those families is there a Christian >Drion. Actually, in the entire time span of the Hatten records, there are >precious few baptised with the name Christian at all !! It was not a >popular >name in that area. > > So much confusion with the spelling variations,etc. Was there really a >CHRISTIAN? Were there more children not accounted for?? etc... Are there >REAL researchable > FRENCH army rosters which would list a surgeon? DAVE, do you know where > we can check this out?>> These are cogent, legitimate questions. >Bonnie, >my best suggestion on the FRENCH Army Rosters would be to go to >Rootsweb.com, >find a mailing list there in France and ask the question there. I don't >know, simply because I've never taken the time to look (I'm ashamed to >admit >that, but it's true !!) It may well be that some experienced researcher on >one of those services might be of GREAT help. > > RE: "Christian" as a title or description/nickname based upon religion >and >not necessarily the man's given baptismal name???>> I doubt that. Ship >manifests used given names. > > **Just a thought: > (NOTE: OFTEN in the 1700's/1800's some folks were classified by their > religion! )One of my ancestors was Catholic and he is not listed > on the VA census by his given Christian name, but as > "PAPIST MCVOY" - ** I know for a fact that "PAPIST" was NOT this man's >name > but a reference that he was a member of the ROMAN CATHOLIC > Church!!!("Papist" referring to the Pope who is the head of the Roman > Catholic religion on earth. Papal is an adjective which > refers to the Pope and a "papist" is a follower of this religious > doctrine.)Wonder if our "Christian" was referred to in the same manner? > Perhaps our ancestor was nick-named for his pursuit of his Christian > religious freedom!!! (Just a thought.) The "Papist" thing in a Virginia > census about my own ancestor is hanging in the back of my mind. Perhaps >the > Christian part of his name was but a religious title?? > > Now, Dave said that TRYON are separate, but one of the DR.FREDERICK'S > graves in PA is spelled as TRYON and there are TRION and TRINE that > I personally believe "may" connect to TREON in PA. One of the kind > folks from the TRYON list sent me info from the book about TRYON > and SOME OF the TRYON appears to be derived somehow from a PETER TREION, > and I think it may have said he was French. I read this over a > year ago,so it is not real fresh in my memory, but our families > could really connect at some early pre-America point in time. > (Worth investigating.) ANYWAY, TREION is definitely interesting!>> Yes, >Bill Treon and I visited that very TRYON grave, and I photoed him sitting >on >the good-sized grave marker !! Don't get me wrong about variant spellings: >I'm not saying that a Tryon is not a Treon. I'm saying we must look at >each >variant as a separate family (which that TRYON of ours was), and that they >probably derived from the Drion (as ours did: Drion>Trion.Treon>Tryon). > > Also TRAHAN and DRUION are families found in early Louisiana as well > as HACHE' which apparently some decendents spell as ACHE which is > remarkably similar to ACHEY and Hermanus Achey was spelled as ACHE. > These folks were also French. There is so much wonderful history > here-- whether or not they are kin to us remains to be proven or >disproven. > **But another bit of food for thought!>> And perhaps ALL related >somewhere >back along the line. I've just been doing an amazing amount of work on my >HOLZHAUSEN line. It's eventually tied into TREON, but I won't confuse the >issue here !! :-)) My point is that my GGgrandmother Louisa Holzhausen >spelled her name that way. Her father, Rev. Philippe Friedrich HOLZHAUSEN >spelled his name that way when he wrote it into the Koerdorf, Germany, >church >records. HIS father, the Rev. Engelhard Holzhausen, always spelled it >HOLTZHAUSEN (with the "t"). They're all the same family, the same line, >and >we can't let the variant spellings throw us for a loop. > >I'm confident that someone of us will find the proper DRION family one of >these days. They just aren't from Hatten !! > > Another good book is FLOYD'S NORTHUMBERLAND GENEALOGY about >Northumberland >Co PA and was on-line. (Is it still?) TREON line > of Dr.Frederick is mentioned. My husband's line is direct from him > and several are STILL living in Sunbury and surrounding areas of > Northumberland Co. Most interesting! (Was on USGENWEB'S Northumb.Co > site a while ago.)>> Yes there are LOTS of Treons still running around >the >woods up there !! Bill, bless his memory, was one of them. > > ALSO, have found several Pennsylavania books with old > Baptism rec's at the Rowan Co NC library for DRIAN and DRIANN etc that >look > suspiciously like our TREON of today. I think folks spelled the name > as they darn well pleased and now the descendents have to piece the > puzzle together. > > > Conclusion: > ** PATIENCE & perserverence are necessary to find our true answers. No >one's > research is wrong or to be criticized, we must all KEEP AN OPEN mind upon > receipt of PROOF either way. We are all still digging, so hang in there! >It > will take time and diligence and cooperation. > > Dave is definitely correct to keep digging. He may find all the previous >research to be in error! We just don't have enough info to prove or >disprove >any one single theory yet. (*also if anyone knows how to get into a >netscape >website, please let me know. Netscape has changed EVERYTHING and I wanted >to >get into the site and change it with notations, but can't even access it >or >delete it.) > > I don't know the true answer about the obvious disparity between dates >on >J.Michael's records and gravestone. >> SEE ABOVE > > However, I DO KNOW THAT MY VERY OWN GREAT GRANDPA was born 1841 PENSACOLA >FL > (per church and Bible rec's) yet HIS GRAVESTONE CLEARLY SAYS HE WAS BORN >1845!!! THIS IS A 3 YEAR MISTAKE!>> and, Bonnie, I've a grt.-grandmother >with >a 1-year error in hers !! > > My theory: > Often folks didn't have clear records of their own birth dates. My own > grandma and grandpa in MD had discrepancies between their birth date on >file > and the ones their families celebrated their entire lives! Believe it or > not-- ****This DOES HAPPEN! More often than we know!!!> Yes, but it >still >doesn't make Johann Michael the one born in Hatten !! Ours was an educated >man, therefore not likely to make a 5-1/2 year mistake !! :-))))) > > Think about it: > MIDWIVES who were often pretty darn illiterate would fill out the > birth certificates. My own mom was MARY TERESA ISTVAN all her life > and she was born in 1923 in Charles Co MD. Mom got a copy of her > own birth certificate which had been filled out by a midwife. She was > horrified to find out she had been "officially" listed as > TERRISHIA MARY ISTRAVAN (NO KIDDING!) and had to LEGALLY get it fixed! > I know of several other cousins of my parents that this happened to > in Maryland in the 20th century no less! > > Same thing happened to my own grandma with her name and her birth date > was over 13 months different on her birth certificate than on her > family record!! My opinion is that we need to re-look at the gravestone > issue WITH AN OPEN MIND/ without quickly dismissing him by believing > that it was "doubtful there could be such a mistake." Actually it >happened > often back then. ***At least in Maryland! > > Happy Easter to all of you and your families. > Bonnie >> And, Bonnie, the same to you and all of yours. We'll >celebrate >Easter in one of Carol's ancestral churches along the Mosel River and with >her wine-making cousins there !! Hoooooooo Boy ! > >Dave Ross > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com