Janeth -- Welcome to the list! Sounds like you are on a good path. A few thoughts: (1) In general, the further you go, the more you have to create, or at least mix & match, your own educational opportunities. It's always good to review and re-hear things you think you know about, but as you advance fewer of the general conference offerings will be as helpful as they once were. (2) As you get closer to going full-time, business knowledge becomes as important as substantive knowledge. APG has more webinars and discussions available now than before and they are business-focused. You may want to consider the ProGen Study Group. I benefited from it but at that time I had not done as much as you already have. ProGen is interactive and by breaking up the big book _Professional Genealogy_ it forces one to pay attention to one thing at a time and in depth. (3) Contrary to the opinion of some, there are many and increasing ways of learning without spending a week or more far from home. One has long existed: ordering recordings of relevant lectures from conferences. Besides free and paid webinars (Illinois has a series), there are free web sites, of which by far the best are Elizabeth Shown Mills's Historic Pathways and Evidence Explained, easily reached by googling. Finally there are five top-notch genealogy publications whose articles show how the best people have solved problems: NEHGR, NGSQ, NYGBR, TAG, and The Genealogist. If the subscriptions/memberships are too steep, use the library and the photocopier. (4) Angela McGhie's blog, "Adventures in Genealogy Education," is the most focused on this topic, but other blogs touch on it from time to time and they are free. (5) Various kinds of virtual groups are available or can be created. NGSQ discussion groups are organized by Sheri Fenley of California. APG has a virtual chapter if you are really too far from the NC one. If you can assemble a group of folks that will criticize one another freely and fairly (not always easy), you may be able to learn a lot about writing that way. (6) Having said all this, I realize that while I met many current valued friends on-line first, it does make a difference, when you can, to move heaven and earth and take a course like Elizabeth's Advanced Methodology at Samford or Tom Jones's writing or methodology courses at various venues. The courses are great but the people who made the effort to come and take them are your peer group and a week with them is worth a lot too. These institutes are a different animal from conferences -- more in-depth -- and while I enjoy both if I had to choose I would go the institute route. I'm pretty sure I've left some things out but I hope to make a blog post on this subject soon anyway, so hopefully by then I'll have remembered it or been reminded of it on here! Harold On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:49 AM, <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> wrote: > I am a transitional genealogist and am hoping to make the leap to full > time practitioner within a two year time frame. I've completed the Boston > University Certificate Program, and continue to work on completion of the > NGS Home Study Program (Graded). I'm wondering what my next educational > step should be and am hoping for some input/guidance. I would love to be > able to attend on-site courses, but that just isn't a feasible option for > me at this point in time. Any recommendations for web-based educational > programs that would enhance (rather than repeat) the programs I have > already completed/am already enrolled in? I understand that there will > always be some overlap in training courses. My intended areas of specialty > are Civil War and Native American (New York State) research. Thanks in > advance for any advice! > > Janeth L. Murphy > Moyock, NC > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Harold - thank you - those are terrific recommendations. I had not even considered looking at state/local webinars and was not aware that there was an APG virtual chapter - excellent! I was fortunate enough to participate in Dr. Jones' evidence class at BU and am on the lookout for a live seminar somewhere near the wilds of NC to attend. I like free and fair criticism - toughens the character for the real genealogical world! Many thanks. Jaeth Murphy Moyock, NC -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com> To: mrsmurphy1 <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> Cc: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:32 am Subject: Re: [TGF] Recommendations for Educational Progression? Janeth -- Welcome to the list! Sounds like you are on a good path. A few thoughts: (1) In general, the further you go, the more you have to create, or at least mix & match, your own educational opportunities. It's always good to review and re-hear things you think you know about, but as you advance fewer of the general conference offerings will be as helpful as they once were. (2) As you get closer to going full-time, business knowledge becomes as important as substantive knowledge. APG has more webinars and discussions available now than before and they are business-focused. You may want to consider the ProGen Study Group. I benefited from it but at that time I had not done as much as you already have. ProGen is interactive and by breaking up the big book _Professional Genealogy_ it forces one to pay attention to one thing at a time and in depth. (3) Contrary to the opinion of some, there are many and increasing ways of learning without spending a week or more far from home. One has long existed: ordering recordings of relevant lectures from conferences. Besides free and paid webinars (Illinois has a series), there are free web sites, of which by far the best are Elizabeth Shown Mills's Historic Pathways and Evidence Explained, easily reached by googling. Finally there are five top-notch genealogy publications whose articles show how the best people have solved problems: NEHGR, NGSQ, NYGBR, TAG, and The Genealogist. If the subscriptions/memberships are too steep, use the library and the photocopier. (4) Angela McGhie's blog, "Adventures in Genealogy Education," is the most focused on this topic, but other blogs touch on it from time to time and they are free. (5) Various kinds of virtual groups are available or can be created. NGSQ discussion groups are organized by Sheri Fenley of California. APG has a virtual chapter if you are really too far from the NC one. If you can assemble a group of folks that will criticize one another freely and fairly (not always easy), you may be able to learn a lot about writing that way. (6) Having said all this, I realize that while I met many current valued friends on-line first, it does make a difference, when you can, to move heaven and earth and take a course like Elizabeth's Advanced Methodology at Samford or Tom Jones's writing or methodology courses at various venues. The courses are great but the people who made the effort to come and take them are your peer group and a week with them is worth a lot too. These institutes are a different animal from conferences -- more in-depth -- and while I enjoy both if I had to choose I would go the institute route. I'm pretty sure I've left some things out but I hope to make a blog post on this subject soon anyway, so hopefully by then I'll have remembered it or been reminded of it on here! Harold -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist andCG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification ofGenealogists® used by the Board to identify its program ofgenealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by theBoard’s associates.

I would like to add a few things to Harold's message. These have a little less to do with education, and more to do with your desire to become a full-time genealogist. 1. Writing a business plan is essential. I know this is one of the assignments in ProGen, but you have to keep up with it. A business plan should be a "living document." As you learn things that do and do not work in a practical sense, you should change your business plan to reflect your experience. 2. Definitely join APG and the NC chapter of APG. APG has made its GoToWebinar account available to chapters for meetings, and the NC chapter has made use of this if you are unable to attend every meeting in person. The chapter has a great membership, with wide and varied experience--not just within genealogy but also outside genealogy. The APG Virtual Chapter is based in the "Second Life" platform, so you have to be able to run that to attend any meeting. I cannot do so myself. (Or I got frustrated and gave up trying.) 3. Before taking the plunge into full-time genealogy, you should start by taking a few clients on a part-time basis. One of the keys to my success in transitioning genealogy into my full-time career was having an established client base grown over a few years of part-time work. Return/repeat clients and referred clients are a major part of my business. 4. Consider the resources you have easy access to when advertising your specialties. When I first started, my specialties included upstate (Albany) New York and Connecticut, because that is where my family is from and therefore where the majority of my experience lay. However, I was only one or two clients in when I realized that I could not remotely research these areas from Maryland in an effective and timely manner. There are certainly a lot more online resources available now than there were in 2005-2006 when I was getting started, but that still does not allow me to examine the original records in New York. So I spent months building a knowledge base in Maryland resources and records--the area where I lived, though I had never done any research there. Even today, though I now live in Delaware, the majority of my research cases are based in Maryland--I'm still only an hour from the Maryland State Archives and go there on a regular basis. More on 4--your desired specialties are the Civil War and New York Native American research. How will you market yourself in order to compete with professionals in the Washington, DC, area who have daily direct access to the National Archives' military collections (essential for CW research) or the professionals in New York who specialize in Native American research? This is not something you have to answer here but something you have to consider for yourself and include in your business plan before you begin your career. 5. Marketing is not just advertising. Marketing is establishing your business as a brand--that brand being your own professional reputation. The genealogical community is a relatively small world, and the professional genealogy community is far smaller. Every time you write or publish, every time you lecture, and indeed every client report that you send to a client constitutes marketing to a much higher extent than some might believe. Every time you post online, on the TGF list, on the APG members list, on a local genealogy list, on your blog, on a genealogy Facebook page... you get the idea. Building a reputation for research skill and knowledge of records and analysis is not something that you can intentionally set out to do. It is something that grows organically as you work. You can't be afraid to take advantage of the networking opportunities available to learn more--that is, don't be afraid to ask questions like you have done today, for fear of appearing ignorant or inexperienced. Everyone understands that no one knows everything. Intelligent and thoughtful questions are as respected as intelligent and thoughtful answers. 6. On education--I definitely agree with all of Harold's comments, but I want to highlight two of them. First, I want to second his endorsement of genealogy institutes. My first "national" genealogy event was the Institute of Genealogical & Historical Research at Samford University, in 2010. I could never afford to travel for education before then (and actually lost my job a month after registering, so I couldn't really afford it even at the time I went). My experience that week--not just educational, but also the opportunities for networking that existed and the relationships that were formed over that week--made me vow that no matter what, if I had to move the heavens and earth, I would never again miss IGHR. In 2011, I barely made it by the skin of my teeth, but I moved said heavens and earth, and bought the plane tickets to Birmingham less than a month before the Institute. But I made it, and took Elizabeth Shown Mills's Advanced Methodology course. Well worth every struggle. Second, I want to reiterate the importance of meeting people face-to-face. A lot of conversations simply cannot be held effectively by email. There is something to be said for being able to look people in the eye. Relationships formed in person tend to be stronger than those formed online. A lot of professional opportunities arise because of relationships built with other professionals. These opportunities may be as important as or even more important than those built with your own independent ideas and marketing. And they may be the difference between being successful in your career and unsuccessful. I hope this advice helped, and good luck with your career! Michael Hait, CG(sm) michael.hait@hotmail.com http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:32 AM To: mrsmurphy1@aol.com Cc: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Recommendations for Educational Progression? Janeth -- Welcome to the list! Sounds like you are on a good path. A few thoughts: (1) In general, the further you go, the more you have to create, or at least mix & match, your own educational opportunities. It's always good to review and re-hear things you think you know about, but as you advance fewer of the general conference offerings will be as helpful as they once were. (2) As you get closer to going full-time, business knowledge becomes as important as substantive knowledge. APG has more webinars and discussions available now than before and they are business-focused. You may want to consider the ProGen Study Group. I benefited from it but at that time I had not done as much as you already have. ProGen is interactive and by breaking up the big book _Professional Genealogy_ it forces one to pay attention to one thing at a time and in depth. (3) Contrary to the opinion of some, there are many and increasing ways of learning without spending a week or more far from home. One has long existed: ordering recordings of relevant lectures from conferences. Besides free and paid webinars (Illinois has a series), there are free web sites, of which by far the best are Elizabeth Shown Mills's Historic Pathways and Evidence Explained, easily reached by googling. Finally there are five top-notch genealogy publications whose articles show how the best people have solved problems: NEHGR, NGSQ, NYGBR, TAG, and The Genealogist. If the subscriptions/memberships are too steep, use the library and the photocopier. (4) Angela McGhie's blog, "Adventures in Genealogy Education," is the most focused on this topic, but other blogs touch on it from time to time and they are free. (5) Various kinds of virtual groups are available or can be created. NGSQ discussion groups are organized by Sheri Fenley of California. APG has a virtual chapter if you are really too far from the NC one. If you can assemble a group of folks that will criticize one another freely and fairly (not always easy), you may be able to learn a lot about writing that way. (6) Having said all this, I realize that while I met many current valued friends on-line first, it does make a difference, when you can, to move heaven and earth and take a course like Elizabeth's Advanced Methodology at Samford or Tom Jones's writing or methodology courses at various venues. The courses are great but the people who made the effort to come and take them are your peer group and a week with them is worth a lot too. These institutes are a different animal from conferences -- more in-depth -- and while I enjoy both if I had to choose I would go the institute route. I'm pretty sure I've left some things out but I hope to make a blog post on this subject soon anyway, so hopefully by then I'll have remembered it or been reminded of it on here! Harold On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:49 AM, <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> wrote: > I am a transitional genealogist and am hoping to make the leap to full > time practitioner within a two year time frame. I've completed the Boston > University Certificate Program, and continue to work on completion of the > NGS Home Study Program (Graded). I'm wondering what my next educational > step should be and am hoping for some input/guidance. I would love to be > able to attend on-site courses, but that just isn't a feasible option for > me at this point in time. Any recommendations for web-based educational > programs that would enhance (rather than repeat) the programs I have > already completed/am already enrolled in? I understand that there will > always be some overlap in training courses. My intended areas of specialty > are Civil War and Native American (New York State) research. Thanks in > advance for any advice! > > Janeth L. Murphy > Moyock, NC > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Fire in the belly." 50% of all new businesses fail in the first year. By year five, only about 50% of those who survived the first year will still be in business. Michael's determination to *do what it takes* is a good example of that "fire in the belly." Passion and dedication to make things happen in order to succeed in a new business. Every successful business required investment of capital, dedication, passion, time, and elbow grease. best regards, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hait" <michael.hait@hotmail.com> To: "Harold Henderson" <librarytraveler@gmail.com>, mrsmurphy1@aol.com Cc: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:31:15 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Recommendations for Educational Progression? I would like to add a few things to Harold's message. These have a little less to do with education, and more to do with your desire to become a full-time genealogist. 1. Writing a business plan is essential. I know this is one of the assignments in ProGen, but you have to keep up with it. A business plan should be a "living document." As you learn things that do and do not work in a practical sense, you should change your business plan to reflect your experience. 2. Definitely join APG and the NC chapter of APG. APG has made its GoToWebinar account available to chapters for meetings, and the NC chapter has made use of this if you are unable to attend every meeting in person. The chapter has a great membership, with wide and varied experience--not just within genealogy but also outside genealogy. The APG Virtual Chapter is based in the "Second Life" platform, so you have to be able to run that to attend any meeting. I cannot do so myself. (Or I got frustrated and gave up trying.) 3. Before taking the plunge into full-time genealogy, you should start by taking a few clients on a part-time basis. One of the keys to my success in transitioning genealogy into my full-time career was having an established client base grown over a few years of part-time work. Return/repeat clients and referred clients are a major part of my business. 4. Consider the resources you have easy access to when advertising your specialties. When I first started, my specialties included upstate (Albany) New York and Connecticut, because that is where my family is from and therefore where the majority of my experience lay. However, I was only one or two clients in when I realized that I could not remotely research these areas from Maryland in an effective and timely manner. There are certainly a lot more online resources available now than there were in 2005-2006 when I was getting started, but that still does not allow me to examine the original records in New York. So I spent months building a knowledge base in Maryland resources and records--the area where I lived, though I had never done any research there. Even today, though I now live in Delaware, the majority of my research cases are based in Maryland--I'm still only an hour from the Maryland State Archives and go there on a regular basis. More on 4--your desired specialties are the Civil War and New York Native American research. How will you market yourself in order to compete with professionals in the Washington, DC, area who have daily direct access to the National Archives' military collections (essential for CW research) or the professionals in New York who specialize in Native American research? This is not something you have to answer here but something you have to consider for yourself and include in your business plan before you begin your career. 5. Marketing is not just advertising. Marketing is establishing your business as a brand--that brand being your own professional reputation. The genealogical community is a relatively small world, and the professional genealogy community is far smaller. Every time you write or publish, every time you lecture, and indeed every client report that you send to a client constitutes marketing to a much higher extent than some might believe. Every time you post online, on the TGF list, on the APG members list, on a local genealogy list, on your blog, on a genealogy Facebook page... you get the idea. Building a reputation for research skill and knowledge of records and analysis is not something that you can intentionally set out to do. It is something that grows organically as you work. You can't be afraid to take advantage of the networking opportunities available to learn more--that is, don't be afraid to ask questions like you have done today, for fear of appearing ignorant or inexperienced. Everyone understands that no one knows everything. Intelligent and thoughtful questions are as respected as intelligent and thoughtful answers. 6. On education--I definitely agree with all of Harold's comments, but I want to highlight two of them. First, I want to second his endorsement of genealogy institutes. My first "national" genealogy event was the Institute of Genealogical & Historical Research at Samford University, in 2010. I could never afford to travel for education before then (and actually lost my job a month after registering, so I couldn't really afford it even at the time I went). My experience that week--not just educational, but also the opportunities for networking that existed and the relationships that were formed over that week--made me vow that no matter what, if I had to move the heavens and earth, I would never again miss IGHR. In 2011, I barely made it by the skin of my teeth, but I moved said heavens and earth, and bought the plane tickets to Birmingham less than a month before the Institute. But I made it, and took Elizabeth Shown Mills's Advanced Methodology course. Well worth every struggle. Second, I want to reiterate the importance of meeting people face-to-face. A lot of conversations simply cannot be held effectively by email. There is something to be said for being able to look people in the eye. Relationships formed in person tend to be stronger than those formed online. A lot of professional opportunities arise because of relationships built with other professionals. These opportunities may be as important as or even more important than those built with your own independent ideas and marketing. And they may be the difference between being successful in your career and unsuccessful. I hope this advice helped, and good luck with your career! Michael Hait, CG(sm) michael.hait@hotmail.com http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:32 AM To: mrsmurphy1@aol.com Cc: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Recommendations for Educational Progression? Janeth -- Welcome to the list! Sounds like you are on a good path. A few thoughts: (1) In general, the further you go, the more you have to create, or at least mix & match, your own educational opportunities. It's always good to review and re-hear things you think you know about, but as you advance fewer of the general conference offerings will be as helpful as they once were. (2) As you get closer to going full-time, business knowledge becomes as important as substantive knowledge. APG has more webinars and discussions available now than before and they are business-focused. You may want to consider the ProGen Study Group. I benefited from it but at that time I had not done as much as you already have. ProGen is interactive and by breaking up the big book _Professional Genealogy_ it forces one to pay attention to one thing at a time and in depth. (3) Contrary to the opinion of some, there are many and increasing ways of learning without spending a week or more far from home. One has long existed: ordering recordings of relevant lectures from conferences. Besides free and paid webinars (Illinois has a series), there are free web sites, of which by far the best are Elizabeth Shown Mills's Historic Pathways and Evidence Explained, easily reached by googling. Finally there are five top-notch genealogy publications whose articles show how the best people have solved problems: NEHGR, NGSQ, NYGBR, TAG, and The Genealogist. If the subscriptions/memberships are too steep, use the library and the photocopier. (4) Angela McGhie's blog, "Adventures in Genealogy Education," is the most focused on this topic, but other blogs touch on it from time to time and they are free. (5) Various kinds of virtual groups are available or can be created. NGSQ discussion groups are organized by Sheri Fenley of California. APG has a virtual chapter if you are really too far from the NC one. If you can assemble a group of folks that will criticize one another freely and fairly (not always easy), you may be able to learn a lot about writing that way. (6) Having said all this, I realize that while I met many current valued friends on-line first, it does make a difference, when you can, to move heaven and earth and take a course like Elizabeth's Advanced Methodology at Samford or Tom Jones's writing or methodology courses at various venues. The courses are great but the people who made the effort to come and take them are your peer group and a week with them is worth a lot too. These institutes are a different animal from conferences -- more in-depth -- and while I enjoy both if I had to choose I would go the institute route. I'm pretty sure I've left some things out but I hope to make a blog post on this subject soon anyway, so hopefully by then I'll have remembered it or been reminded of it on here! Harold On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:49 AM, <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> wrote: > I am a transitional genealogist and am hoping to make the leap to full > time practitioner within a two year time frame. I've completed the Boston > University Certificate Program, and continue to work on completion of the > NGS Home Study Program (Graded). I'm wondering what my next educational > step should be and am hoping for some input/guidance. I would love to be > able to attend on-site courses, but that just isn't a feasible option for > me at this point in time. Any recommendations for web-based educational > programs that would enhance (rather than repeat) the programs I have > already completed/am already enrolled in? I understand that there will > always be some overlap in training courses. My intended areas of specialty > are Civil War and Native American (New York State) research. Thanks in > advance for any advice! > > Janeth L. Murphy > Moyock, NC > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message