Thanks to those who helped with my citation problem. Diane On 11/2/2012 1:00 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: family health history charts/programs > (cmproctor1@frontier.com) > 2. Re: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 588 > (Diane Barbour) > 3. Citation Question (mrsmurphy1@aol.com) > 4. Re: Citation Question (Rondina Muncy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:04:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: "cmproctor1@frontier.com" <cmproctor1@frontier.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs > To: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com>, > "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1351782288.51146.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Using these charts - are they private or can companies and the government access them anytime they want?? Just curious. > Cheryl Proctor > Southern Indiana > ? > > > > ________________________________ > From: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs > > Robin asked: > Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ > > Robin, > > I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but > I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See > https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action > > I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he needed as much health history as I could provide for him. > > Angela McGhie > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:28:10 -0600 > From: Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [TGF] TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, > Issue 588 > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <5092F77A.5080006@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Everyone, > I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. > I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal > appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from > a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is > allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my > ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book > and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is > so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. > Anyone have any ideas? > Thanks for your help in advance. > Diane > > > On 11/1/2012 1:01 AM, > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Heritage Quest (Katherine Rudolph) >> 2. Problems signing into FamilySearch (Rondina Muncy) >> 3. Re: Problems signing into FamilySearch (Barbara Mathews) >> 4. Re: Problems signing into FamilySearch (Rondina Muncy) >> 5. Re: family health history charts/programs (Angela McGhie) >> 6. Re: family health history charts/programs (Janice Sellers) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest >> To: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com>, >> "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" >> <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <1351695516.81129.YahooMailNeo@web122405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Sometimes the indexers get mixed up with which page number to assign--whether the penned number or the stamped. In this case, familysearch and ancestry assigned the penned page number and heritagequest assigned the stamped page number. Fortunately, having access to ancestry, you can see that there are two possible page numbers for this sheet. (The page you are looking for is, in fact, located at image 2 of page 86.)?UNfortunately, in most cases where one would need to use heritagequest you don't have an image that you can examine to see if there were errors in the indexing. In that event your only recourse would be to browse through the ENTIRE roll to find the right enumeration district and page number--and the problem is exacerbated because you would need to view each of the different images available for each page number.? >> To add insult to injury, this is one instance where the image on heritagequest is actually WORSE than the image on ancestry. >> So, not a perfect system by any means. >> Kay >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> >> To: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest >> >> Kay, >> >> I found a very poor image on Ancestry today and tried using your >> method to get the page on HeritageQuest, but I ran into a problem. >> According to FamilySearch, the page in the 1930 census I am looking >> for is: >> enumeration district number: ??? 0161 >> family number: ??? 322 >> sheet number and letter: ??? 14A >> line number: ??? 37 >> nara publication: ??? T626, roll 200 >> >> But when I input T626, roll 200, and page 14 into HeritageQuest, I get >> page 14 for EDs 123, 138, and 143.? Help!? What am I doing wrong? >> >> This is the family I'm looking for: >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XC6B-S99# >> >> Thanks very much for any advice. >> >> Janice Sellers >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:43:42 -0500 >> From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> >> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <CALf_h7UmkhfLE7P4Wx2NKO37RoECvCq1pQtoMfbCS6njB+ZA+g@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Rondina >> _______________________ >> Rondina P. Muncy >> Ancestral Analysis >> 4008 Linden Avenue >> Fort Worth, Texas 76107 >> 682.224.6584 >> rondina.muncy@gmail.com >> www.ancestralanalysis.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:19:34 -0400 >> From: "Barbara Mathews" <bmathews@gis.net> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> To: "'Transitional Genealogists'" >> <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <00E67370AA5344529671D9D94945440D@Barbara> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that Family >> Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my >> familysearch cookie and try again. >> >> That worked perfectly. >> >> Barbara >> >> Barbara J. Mathews, CG* >> P.O. Box 399 >> Lexington, MA 02420-0004 >> 781-424-1467 >> www.gis.net/~bmathews >> Come visit my blog at: >> http://demandinggenealogist.blogspot.com >> *CG (sm) and Certified Genealogist (sm) are service marks of the Board for >> Certification of GenealogistsR and are used under license by Board-certified >> associates who meet program standards and periodic competency evaluations. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Rondina Muncy >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> >> >> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Rondina >> _______________________ >> Rondina P. Muncy >> Ancestral Analysis >> 4008 Linden Avenue >> Fort Worth, Texas 76107 >> 682.224.6584 >> rondina.muncy@gmail.com >> www.ancestralanalysis.com >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to >> professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:06:26 -0500 >> From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <CALf_h7Xfa79YR9EnJY9z2Cg-ieNSV1PrGaVH9E3_Af_w2RRb=Q@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Thank you to all who replied with help. My FamilySearch problem is fixed. >> >> Rondina >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Barbara Mathews <bmathews@gis.net> wrote: >> >>> I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that >>> Family >>> Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my >>> familysearch cookie and try again. >>> >>> That worked perfectly. >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >>> Rondina Muncy >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM >>> To: Transitional Genealogists >>> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >>> >>> >>> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >>> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Rondina >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:41:46 -0400 >> From: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs >> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAE9A13Ow--yzevH+Jk1-bP-u29rYCROukYZS57pmxp5hs5pVRA@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Robin asked: >> Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw >> this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ >> >> Robin, >> >> I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but >> I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See >> https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action >> >> I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that >> family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father >> died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. >> When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his >> direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he >> needed as much health history as I could provide for him. >> >> Angela McGhie >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:49:29 -0700 >> From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs >> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAPG64wj8=O1Xh-3A6ioK7oL+pXwbdzJ+d_aUQLm2xA5+GM3Z3Q@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I had a similar discovery when I started researching my half-sister's >> mother's family. Four generations of men, all dead before 60, all >> heart attacks. I encouraged my sister to pass on the information to >> her son. >> >> Janice Sellers >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Angela McGhie >> <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that >>> family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father >>> died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. >>> When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his >>> direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he >>> needed as much health history as I could provide for him. >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 588 >> *************************************************************** >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:09:16 -0400 > From: mrsmurphy1@aol.com > Subject: [TGF] Citation Question > To: Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> > Cc: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E05933D3-793A-4069-9493-015FD7868A46@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Diane asked about a citation for military records that came to her from a relative. I had a similar situation, and was advised to treat the documents as personal artifacts/private holdings. Your source for the documents is a family member (not NARA), so the citation should reflect that. Was I properly informed? Any other opinions? > > Janeth Murphy > Moyock, NC > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. >> I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal >> appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from >> a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is >> allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my >> ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book >> and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is >> so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. >> Anyone have any ideas? >> Thanks for your help in advance. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:25:40 -0500 > From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation Question > To: mrsmurphy1@aol.com > Cc: Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net>, > "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALf_h7UCt0t+sdTzmjw46J6TdvcKRZW6GpHxQcPLfq8MAtpwiw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Janeth, > > You are correct. An individual holds the documents, not a repository. > > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > rondina.muncy@gmail.com > www.ancestralanalysis.com > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> wrote: > >> Diane asked about a citation for military records that came to her from a >> relative. I had a similar situation, and was advised to treat the documents >> as personal artifacts/private holdings. Your source for the documents is a >> family member (not NARA), so the citation should reflect that. Was I >> properly informed? Any other opinions? >> >> Janeth Murphy >> Moyock, NC >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. >>> I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal >>> appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from >>> a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is >>> allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my >>> ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book >>> and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is >>> so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. >>> Anyone have any ideas? >>> Thanks for your help in advance. >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to >> professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 589 > *************************************************************** >