My grandfather's "Declaration of Intent" was dated 19 January 1933 and includes his photograph. So the photo may have been required here and on the Naturalization documents as early as the early 1930's. It was filed "In the Superior Court of Springfield of Hampden County of Massachusetts". It was actually his second declaration as his first had expired. In the end, he never completed the naturalization process and as a result, remained a British citizen who immigrated from Williamstown, Glengarry Co, Ontario, Canada. Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance for sure! -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:01 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. Today's Topics: 1. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? (Angela Kraft) 2. Re: Find a Grave (Connie Sheets) 3. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? (Rollie Littlewood) 4. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? (Charles S. Mason, Jr.) 5. Re: Find-A-Grave (Karen Rhodes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Kraft <leavesofheritage@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1350399394.64972.YahooMailNeo@web120404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ida, My great grandfather was naturalized in June, 1926 and there was no photo attached to his certificate, just a seal. Maybe it has to do with the court he received his naturalization in, as well as time period. My great grandfather's was issued by the Hampshire County, Massachusetts Superior Court on a certificate labeled "United States of America, Department of Labor." Angela Kraft Leaves of Heritage Genealogy "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM http://www.leavesofheritage.com -----Original Message----- From:?transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of idamc@seanet.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:46 AM To:?transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. Thanks. --Ida Skarson McCormick,?idamc@seanet.com, Seattle? Leaves of Heritage Genealogy "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM http://www.leavesofheritage.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1350402512.71561.YahooMailClassic@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Phyllis wrote: > And if you don't like obituary information posted on the internet then > discuss with family members what to include or exclude in the > obituary. That was one of the points of my first post.? I knew my mother's obituary would be published on the internet, but even with my genealogy background, I naively thought someone would have to go looking for it. It never dawned on me Ancestry.com was crawling the tiny rural mortuary's website and it would be handed to non-related name collectors' public trees via the little green leaf.? Nor did I realize the extent to which people who don't understand (or willfully violate) copyright would think it's perfectly fine to copy and paste a just-published obituary into Find-A-Grave.? Find-A-Grave may have a policy against this, but they don't exactly put effort into enforcement of the policy. Lesson learned. BTW, I didn't go looking for my mother at FindAGrave or Ancestry. I stumbled upon both situations looking for long-deceased relatives and ancestors.?The unexpected nature of the discovery was part of the distress. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:52:24 -0500 From: Rollie Littlewood <rklittle@wisc.edu> Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <507DACE8.5040905@wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate > of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have > started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom > of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo.... According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of this requirement spanned several years. -- Rollie ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:55:14 -0400 From: "Charles S. Mason, Jr." <cgrs791@netscape.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? To: "'Rollie Littlewood'" <rklittle@wisc.edu>, <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <ACE1CC1AEDCC4CE5AE07CDCE7B8B239B@ChuckPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I checked with the person I know who has a lot of knowledge about immigration and naturalization records. She said that in 1914 the government began requiring pictures on passport applications. That is when Kodak developed the technology to do so. She was not sure about the date for naturalization records. As some else mentioned it also would depend on the court where the naturalization took place. As many of us know there were the laws requiring what was to be done and then there was actually what the person doing the work did. They may or may not have followed the laws. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rollie Littlewood Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:52 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate > of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have > started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom > of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo.... According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of this requirement spanned several years. -- Rollie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:32:27 -0400 From: Karen Rhodes <bitbucket001@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <507E18BB.1030506@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Some Find-A-Grave postings are done from primary research. As a member of the Southern Genealogist's Exchange Society in Jacksonville, Florida, I went on a trip to a local out-of-the-way cemetery (way out in the woods, and it was a good thing my car is 4-wheel drive) with our two "graveyard rabbits," who are recording all the cemeteries in Jacksonville, as our society has been given the responsibility for finding and recording all cemeteries in the city (which is consolidated with the county) by the City Council. There was a woman there who was working as a volunteer for Find-A-Grave, and who was meticulously recording the markers in the cemetery. Someone is doing them and the genealogy community in general a (ahem) grave disservice by faking these entries. I'm sure the powers-that-be at Find-A-Grave will be appalled to find out. Karen Packard Rhodes currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida On 10/14/2012 1:21 PM, Donna McR wrote: > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was > available that the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at > least by personal knowledge that the grave actually existed in that > place. Any dates attached to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. The > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information > also passed around on internet family trees. > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > So frustrating. > > ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 ***************************************************************