Vvvvvvvvv Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:01 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Photo on US Declaration of Intent (Dave Robison) > 2. Re: Photo on US Declaration of Intent > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:06:54 -0400 > From: "Dave Robison" <dave@oldbones.co> > Subject: [TGF] Photo on US Declaration of Intent > To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <027c01cdac68$48baa460$da2fed20$@co> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandfather's "Declaration of Intent" was dated 19 January 1933 and > includes his photograph. So the photo may have been required here and on the > Naturalization documents as early as the early 1930's. It was filed "In the > Superior Court of Springfield of Hampden County of Massachusetts". It was > actually his second declaration as his first had expired. In the end, he > never completed the naturalization process and as a result, remained a > British citizen who immigrated from Williamstown, Glengarry Co, Ontario, > Canada. Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back > and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance > for sure! > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:01 AM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? (Angela Kraft) > 2. Re: Find a Grave (Connie Sheets) > 3. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? (Rollie Littlewood) > 4. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? (Charles S. Mason, Jr.) > 5. Re: Find-A-Grave (Karen Rhodes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Angela Kraft <leavesofheritage@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of > what date? > To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1350399394.64972.YahooMailNeo@web120404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ida, > > My great grandfather was naturalized in June, 1926 and there was no photo > attached to his certificate, just a seal. Maybe it has to do with the court > he received his naturalization in, as well as time period. My great > grandfather's was issued by the Hampshire County, Massachusetts Superior > Court on a certificate labeled "United States of America, Department of > Labor." > > Angela Kraft > Leaves of Heritage Genealogy > "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM > http://www.leavesofheritage.com -----Original Message----- > From:?transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > idamc@seanet.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:46 AM > To:?transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? > > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of > naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much > earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but > not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. > Thanks. > > > --Ida Skarson McCormick,?idamc@seanet.com, Seattle? > Leaves of Heritage Genealogy > "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM > http://www.leavesofheritage.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1350402512.71561.YahooMailClassic@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Phyllis wrote: > >> And if you don't like obituary information posted on the internet then >> discuss with family members what to include or exclude in the >> obituary. > > That was one of the points of my first post.? I knew my mother's obituary > would be published on the internet, but even with my genealogy background, I > naively thought someone would have to go looking for it. It never dawned on > me Ancestry.com was crawling the tiny rural mortuary's website and it would > be handed to non-related name collectors' public trees via the little green > leaf.? > > Nor did I realize the extent to which people who don't understand (or > willfully violate) copyright would think it's perfectly fine to copy and > paste a just-published obituary into Find-A-Grave.? Find-A-Grave may have a > policy against this, but they don't exactly put effort into enforcement of > the policy. > > Lesson learned. > > BTW, I didn't go looking for my mother at FindAGrave or Ancestry. I stumbled > upon both situations looking for long-deceased relatives and ancestors.?The > unexpected nature of the discovery was part of the distress. > > Connie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:52:24 -0500 > From: Rollie Littlewood <rklittle@wisc.edu> > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of > what date? > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507DACE8.5040905@wisc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: >> Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate >> of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have >> started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom >> of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of > the photo.... > According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and > Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July > 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of > this requirement spanned several years. > > -- > > Rollie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:55:14 -0400 > From: "Charles S. Mason, Jr." <cgrs791@netscape.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of > what date? > To: "'Rollie Littlewood'" <rklittle@wisc.edu>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <ACE1CC1AEDCC4CE5AE07CDCE7B8B239B@ChuckPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I checked with the person I know who has a lot of knowledge about > immigration and naturalization records. She said that in 1914 the > government began requiring pictures on passport applications. That is when > Kodak developed the technology to do so. She was not sure about the date > for naturalization records. > > As some else mentioned it also would depend on the court where the > naturalization took place. As many of us know there were the laws requiring > what was to be done and then there was actually what the person doing the > work did. They may or may not have followed the laws. > > Chuck Mason > > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Rollie Littlewood > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:52 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? > > idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: >> Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate >> of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have >> started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom >> of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of > the photo.... > According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and > Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July > 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of > this requirement spanned several years. > > -- > > Rollie > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:32:27 -0400 > From: Karen Rhodes <bitbucket001@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507E18BB.1030506@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Some Find-A-Grave postings are done from primary research. As a member of > the Southern Genealogist's Exchange Society in Jacksonville, Florida, I went > on a trip to a local out-of-the-way cemetery (way out in the woods, and it > was a good thing my car is 4-wheel drive) with our two "graveyard rabbits," > who are recording all the cemeteries in Jacksonville, as our society has > been given the responsibility for finding and recording all cemeteries in > the city (which is consolidated with the county) by the City Council. There > was a woman there who was working as a volunteer for Find-A-Grave, and who > was meticulously recording the markers in the cemetery. > > Someone is doing them and the genealogy community in general a (ahem) grave > disservice by faking these entries. I'm sure the powers-that-be at > Find-A-Grave will be appalled to find out. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida > > > On 10/14/2012 1:21 PM, Donna McR wrote: >> Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were >> sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. >> In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was >> available that the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at >> least by personal knowledge that the grave actually existed in that >> place. Any dates attached to the posting I thought were sourced with one > or all of the above. >> >> However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and > death >> dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. > The >> erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information >> also passed around on internet family trees. >> >> These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of >> proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. >> >> So frustrating. >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 > *************************************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > <king@forensicgenealogyservices.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Photo on US Declaration of Intent > To: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co>, TGF Mailing List > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1288550959.13677899.1350479976669.JavaMail.root@forensicgenealogyservices.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Or just another man with commitment issues? :-) > > best regards, > > Dee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Robison" <dave@oldbones.co> > > Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back > and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance > for sure! > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 563 > ***************************************************************