Thanks to all who replied. Of course, the answers should have been obvious to me as it's only logical. Both of my parents were born at home as were most of my other ancestors. My sister and I seem to be the first on either side to have the luxury of being born in a hospital. I can tell you that it was far less expensive in the late 40's and early 50's!! Thanks again! Dave Robison -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:03 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 653 The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. Today's Topics: 1. Re: "Born in" or "Lived in" (Kith-n-Kin) 2. Re: "Born in" or "Lived in" (Charles S. Mason, Jr.) 3. Re: "Born in" or "Lived in" (cmproctor1@frontier.com) 4. Re: "Born in" or "Lived in" (jfonkert@aol.com) 5. Re: "Born in" or "Lived in" (Barbara Munson) 6. Re: "Born in" or "Lived in" (Dave Liesse) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:20:25 -0700 From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin@cox.net> Subject: Re: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" To: "'Dave Robison'" <dave@oldbones.co>, <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00ca01cdd8ae$807d8030$81788090$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave As the purpose of genealogy is to report the facts as accurately as possible, I vote for the actual place of birth, just as I would with a hospital death many miles from a person's residence (pretty common, I've found), or for that matter, a marriage "across the state line." For examples, my siblings and I were all born in a hospital in Medford, Oregon but lived, at the time, in a logging community (Kinzua) in eastern Oregon, while my grandparents lived near Jacksonville, just outside Medford. All the birth certificates say, "Medford." When asked, I say "Medford." My mother and father would travel across the state for the birth, then (after the requisite two weeks of in-hospital -- boy, were those the days -- travel back to eastern Oregon. A question I never thought to ask was if my father spent the entire time with us, or whether he brought mother, went back to work, and later came and got her. I suspect the latter. My grandparents, still living outside Jacksonville, Oregon, came to Flagstaff for the Christmas of 1959. Grandfather never made it home, dying in Flagstaff hospital. His death certificate reads Flagstaff, not Jacksonville. I would, however, put a note in the file "while on vacation to..." or words that effect, to prevent a future researcher from jumping to the wrong conclusion about where other records might be. Pat Dunford Tucson -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Robison Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:00 PM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" Although I've been researching my family and the families of others for a number of years, I have a very basic question which, for some reason, I've never asked before! I am truly a "Transitional Genealogist" and I'd like to know how to list where a child is born in the case of a hospital birth. Is it in city or town where the hospital is (or was) located or is it in the location where the mother lived at the time of the birth? It's clear in the case of home births, but in modern times, obviously, the hospitals are often not located in the same place as the residence of the parents. And the same with hospital deaths.which location is preferred? The hospital location or the residence. Thanks! Dave Robison The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:26:10 -0500 From: "Charles S. Mason, Jr." <cgrs791@netscape.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" To: "'Dave Robison'" <dave@oldbones.co>, <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1C4FB037BE9842109886419F18BF1A45@ChuckPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, You would list all events in the place where they actually took place. If the person was born at home then the location of the home would be listed. In they were born in a hospital then the hospital would be listed. This is very important if you are looking for sources to document this information. My three sisters all live in NJ and 8 of my 9 nephews and nieces were born in the same hospital in NJ. One niece was born in the Naval Hospital in Philadelphia because by the time she was born; my brother in-law was full time military. If I listed her birth place as the residence in NJ and someone was looking for her birth certificate would never find it because she was born in PA and that is where her birth certificate was issued. I have the same situation with my grandmother's death certificate. If I listed that she died at her residence in NJ someone looking for a death certificate in NJ would never find it. She was visiting my aunt in Montgomery Co., PA when she died and therefore her death certificate was issued by PA, not NJ. You also list the events in the location at the time they took place, not the current place name. For example: my third great grandfather purchase land in Gloucester County, NJ in 1824 and 1826. In 1837 Gloucester Co. was divided and Atlantic Co. was formed from the eastern portion of Gloucester Co. The land he purchase in 1824 and 1826 was in the eastern portion of Gloucester Co. When I list the land purchase I record the land being in Gloucester Co. After 1837 when the land was sold, I record the land being in Atlantic Co. The deeds for the purchase are recorded in Gloucester Co. and the deeds for the sales of the same land are recorded in Atlantic Co. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Robison Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:00 PM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" Although I've been researching my family and the families of others for a number of years, I have a very basic question which, for some reason, I've never asked before! I am truly a "Transitional Genealogist" and I'd like to know how to list where a child is born in the case of a hospital birth. Is it in city or town where the hospital is (or was) located or is it in the location where the mother lived at the time of the birth? It's clear in the case of home births, but in modern times, obviously, the hospitals are often not located in the same place as the residence of the parents. And the same with hospital deaths.which location is preferred? The hospital location or the residence. Thanks! Dave Robison The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: "cmproctor1@frontier.com" <cmproctor1@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" To: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co>, "TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1355347902.18663.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dave, I always list the physical location of the event.? If the birth or death was in a hospital, then I list the city or town the hospital was located in (or whatever facility the event happened in). ? The person's residence can yield clues to school enumerations or records, tax records, land records, census records, etc. ? But the birth?or death location is where it occurred. ? Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana ________________________________ From: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co> To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" Although I've been researching my family and the families of others for a number of years, I have a very basic question which, for some reason, I've never asked before!? I am truly a "Transitional Genealogist" and I'd like to know how to list where a child is born in the case of a hospital birth.? Is it in city or town where the hospital is (or was) located or is it in the location where the mother lived at the time of the birth?? It's clear in the case of home births, but in modern times, obviously, the hospitals are often not located in the same place as the residence of the parents.? And the same with hospital deaths.which location is preferred?? The hospital location or the residence. Thanks! Dave Robison The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: jfonkert@aol.com Subject: Re: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" To: dave@oldbones.co, TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CFA6CA58BEA322-1AF0-14723@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, Depends on purpose and context. Where a person was born can be different from where the family's residence was in the days, weeks or months after a birth. The birth registration should be in the jurisdiction in which the event occurred (not necessarily the same jurisdiction where the family lived); Another researcher needs to know where the birth record can be found. If, on the other hand, you are writing a family history, you probably want readers to know where the child lived after leaving the hospital. So, both locations are important. Jay Fonkert -----Original Message----- From: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co> To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 3:05 pm Subject: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" Although I've been researching my family and the families of others for a number of years, I have a very basic question which, for some reason, I've never asked before! I am truly a "Transitional Genealogist" and I'd like to know how to list where a child is born in the case of a hospital birth. Is it in city or town where the hospital is (or was) located or is it in the location where the mother lived at the time of the birth? It's clear in the case of home births, but in modern times, obviously, the hospitals are often not located in the same place as the residence of the parents. And the same with hospital deaths.which location is preferred? The hospital location or the residence. Thanks! Dave Robison The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Munson <munsonfly@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" To: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co>, "TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1355349472.51387.YahooMailNeo@web162903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dave, I list the birth and death with the actual town where the event took place.? I also include a separate entry with the same date as the birth and/or death, listed as RESIDENCE, and then list the home address with city & state.? That way I have all the information I actually need.? I know where to look for the birth or death certificate and where to look for employment, school, tax, or voting records. Barbara Munson ________________________________ From: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co> To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" Although I've been researching my family and the families of others for a number of years, I have a very basic question which, for some reason, I've never asked before!? I am truly a "Transitional Genealogist" and I'd like to know how to list where a child is born in the case of a hospital birth.? Is it in city or town where the hospital is (or was) located or is it in the location where the mother lived at the time of the birth?? It's clear in the case of home births, but in modern times, obviously, the hospitals are often not located in the same place as the residence of the parents.? And the same with hospital deaths.which location is preferred?? The hospital location or the residence. Thanks! Dave Robison The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:02:29 -0800 From: Dave Liesse <Dave@skingcoservicesllc.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] "Born in" or "Lived in" To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <50C90D05.7020405@skingcoservicesllc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed As others have all said, record the event in its actual location. This is all the more important when it takes place in a different county from the family's residence, as the county of birth is where the records will be filed. Two examples: 1. Although we lived in Downers Grove, DuPage County, Illinois, my brother and I were both born in La Grange, Cook County, Illinois (Downers Grove didn't have a hospital at the time). 2. My wife and I lived in South San Francisco, San Mateo County, California, but our son was born in Stanford, Santa Clara County, California (and the whole world knew it -- he literally was being born when the Loma Prieta earthquake hit!). Of course, there's nothing wrong with recording the family's residence separately! Most software allows this as a data point. Dave Liesse Skingco Services, LLC On 12/12/2012 13:00, Dave Robison wrote: > Although I've been researching my family and the families of others > for a number of years, I have a very basic question which, for some > reason, I've never asked before! I am truly a "Transitional > Genealogist" and I'd like to know how to list where a child is born in > the case of a hospital birth. Is it in city or town where the > hospital is (or was) located or is it in the location where the mother > lived at the time of the birth? It's clear in the case of home > births, but in modern times, obviously, the hospitals are often not > located in the same place as the residence of the parents. And the > same with hospital deaths.which location is preferred? The hospital location or the residence. > > > > Thanks! > > Dave Robison > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 653 ***************************************************************