Among other things, ESM said: ----- Original Message ----- From: "eshown" <eshown@comcast.net> The bottom line is this: A. If we are teaching others, we should have enough experience to be able to present our own material. (I'm tempted to put that point in all caps. :) Amen! I have seen a couple of folks recently who have attended a few lectures or courses and suddenly have a whole stable of presentations that look suspiciously like the few lectures or courses they attended..... best regards, Dee