ESP :) Elissa, your reply "counts" a lot, and is very helpful to me. Are your courses/lectures on writing as you go available for purchase online? Do you put anything besides source citations in the footnotes? I have debated this in my mind and am unsure of the answer. Melissa Finlay melissa@finlayfamily.org www.finlayfamily.org > On Mar 24, 2017, at 10:07 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to > transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/transitional-genealogists-forum > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process > (Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL) > 2. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process (Dianne Holley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:06:17 -0400 > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> > To: "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > Message-ID: <010801d2a4b0$314572c0$93d05840$@PowellGenealogy.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> > > As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. > > Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. > > The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. > > Hopefully this will help, > > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM > > Ms. Mills, > > What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. > > I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. > > Thank you ? Ann > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:07:00 -0500 > From: Dianne Holley <Dianne@HolleyArt.com> > To: "'Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL'" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com>, > "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > Message-ID: <004701d2a4b8$abe89590$03b9c0b0$@HolleyArt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks, Elissa - I have gratefully listened to your excellent presentation for APG - and look forward to doing to again. > > When I first started thinking about graduating to "genealogist" Helen Leary told me that she just "...wrote it all out in Word!" > I wish I could say it hasn't taken me years to wrap my brain around this method ??... While I believe it is a logical and efficient way to work, acquiring the ability feels like trying to eat a whole sandwich at once. > > Besides, more folks than just myself really appreciate the "ESP" in genealogy. > > Best regards, > > Dianne Holley > dianne@cmemories.us > Austin, TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > Sent: March 24, 2017 10:06 > To: 'Ann Watson' <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > > I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> > > As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. > > Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. > > The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. > > Hopefully this will help, > > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM > > Ms. Mills, > > What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. > > I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. > > Thank you ? Ann > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. 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