I have a stubborn family, too.  They need to be added to that list.Cheryl Proctor On Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:53 PM, Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net> wrote: Jo, I feel your pain! I have exactly one ancestor in the state I live in--one who moved here just a tad before his death. For everyone else, it's long-distance research. The good news for us is that, in today's world, long-distance research (as well as "reasonably exhaustive research" it requires to resolve the serious issues) has become so much easier--thanks to FamilySearch and Ancestry and state-archive websites and so many others who are now posting images of records. The bad news for us is all the time it takes! Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jo Arnspiger Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:38 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Never give up, and always search everywhere Elizabeth, I have one particularly elusive ancestor, Henry Stephen[s] Archer 1831-1909.  We talked about him on the wonderful Alaskan cruise a few years back.  Still have not found his parents and other family.  Will not give up but do get frustrated.  It is difficult to research in Mississippi when I live in Arizona. Hoping for a trip to that part of the country end of June. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Shown Mills" <eshown@comcast.net> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:30:24 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Never give up, and always search everywhere Marty, Harold, Elissa, and Cyndi: Will you please ask your ancestors to schedule an intervention with my ancestors and take them through a behavioral modification session?  Mine definitely do NOT want to be found. Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG EvidenceExplained.com HistoricPathways.com -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marty Hiatt Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:13 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Never give up, and always search everywhere I'm sure many of you won't believe this, but honestly, it's true. Harold's story of cooperative ancestors, and today's timing, meant I have to share: I am doing data-entry for my own family. I need to verify the death of an aunt, for whom all I knew what that she was born in 1918 and died after 1983 (last time I saw her). Houston was her home town, and where her husband is interred. The mausoleum staff needs a long time to find someone without a date of death.  My aunt's daughter had moved to California, but I was told she returned to Texas to care for her mother during mother's final days. Doesn't this say the death certificate should be filed in Texas? So yesterday I searched the two online Texas death indexes that are available from Ancestry. Nothing. Next I searched the California death indexes, with no success there, either. This morning, I realized I had not recorded the dates for the Calif. index, so I went back to Ancestry.com and found "California Death Index 1940-1997." Once I was there, I thought, why not try again? So I put in the unusual first name of my aunt, her married name of Hiatt, and that was it; until I clicked search. Up popped her name, birth, death & locations. Her birth info matched what I already had, so I knew it was the correct person. Her date of death, 11 Oct 2002, and place of Houston, Harris Co., Texas, put her right where I thought she should be. Bu,t remember what index I was using? California, not Texas; 1940-1997, and found a 2002 death. I tried to print, but that wasn't an option, neither was cut or copy. So I quickly penciled the data I needed. If only I had remembered "print screen." The shock was too great. When I did another search, nothing was found. When I went to "history," the page was not there. Were these our genealogy gods at work, or gremlins in my computer? Whatever, today I'm a happy camper. Wishing you all the same, unusual, success. Marty Hiatt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marty Hiatt and all,Thank you for what you wrote.  Yes, what happened to you with your aunt is wonderful.  Your ancestors want to be found.  I have had a somewhat different experience with a particular ancestor. Every time I work on Nicholas Miller (Nicolas Mueller, German immigrant) I get such feelings of darkness, foreboding, dread.  I have tried to find when and where he married his second wife, but have been unsuccessful.  I have found him as a sponsor to two of his brother's sons in Church records in Louisville, KY.  He is also in the same church records for his oldest child by this second marriage.  About three months after that he deserted the Union Army.  I think it had something to do with this infant son but am not sure.  I don't see this son anywhere else in Louisville or Cincinnati (where they lived for a time). Have you or anyone on this list ever experienced this same dark feeling with an ancestor? Cheryl  Proctor On Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:58 PM, "cmproctor1@frontier.com" <cmproctor1@frontier.com> wrote: I have a stubborn family, too.  They need to be added to that list.Cheryl Proctor On Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:53 PM, Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net> wrote: Jo, I feel your pain! I have exactly one ancestor in the state I live in--one who moved here just a tad before his death. For everyone else, it's long-distance research. The good news for us is that, in today's world, long-distance research (as well as "reasonably exhaustive research" it requires to resolve the serious issues) has become so much easier--thanks to FamilySearch and Ancestry and state-archive websites and so many others who are now posting images of records. The bad news for us is all the time it takes! Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jo Arnspiger Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:38 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Never give up, and always search everywhere Elizabeth, I have one particularly elusive ancestor, Henry Stephen[s] Archer 1831-1909.  We talked about him on the wonderful Alaskan cruise a few years back.  Still have not found his parents and other family.  Will not give up but do get frustrated.  It is difficult to research in Mississippi when I live in Arizona. Hoping for a trip to that part of the country end of June. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Shown Mills" <eshown@comcast.net> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:30:24 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Never give up, and always search everywhere Marty, Harold, Elissa, and Cyndi: Will you please ask your ancestors to schedule an intervention with my ancestors and take them through a behavioral modification session?  Mine definitely do NOT want to be found. Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG EvidenceExplained.com HistoricPathways.com -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marty Hiatt Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:13 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Never give up, and always search everywhere I'm sure many of you won't believe this, but honestly, it's true. Harold's story of cooperative ancestors, and today's timing, meant I have to share: I am doing data-entry for my own family. I need to verify the death of an aunt, for whom all I knew what that she was born in 1918 and died after 1983 (last time I saw her). Houston was her home town, and where her husband is interred. The mausoleum staff needs a long time to find someone without a date of death.  My aunt's daughter had moved to California, but I was told she returned to Texas to care for her mother during mother's final days. Doesn't this say the death certificate should be filed in Texas? So yesterday I searched the two online Texas death indexes that are available from Ancestry. Nothing. Next I searched the California death indexes, with no success there, either. This morning, I realized I had not recorded the dates for the Calif. index, so I went back to Ancestry.com and found "California Death Index 1940-1997." Once I was there, I thought, why not try again? So I put in the unusual first name of my aunt, her married name of Hiatt, and that was it; until I clicked search. Up popped her name, birth, death & locations. Her birth info matched what I already had, so I knew it was the correct person. Her date of death, 11 Oct 2002, and place of Houston, Harris Co., Texas, put her right where I thought she should be. Bu,t remember what index I was using? California, not Texas; 1940-1997, and found a 2002 death. I tried to print, but that wasn't an option, neither was cut or copy. So I quickly penciled the data I needed. If only I had remembered "print screen." The shock was too great. When I did another search, nothing was found. When I went to "history," the page was not there. Were these our genealogy gods at work, or gremlins in my computer? Whatever, today I'm a happy camper. Wishing you all the same, unusual, success. Marty Hiatt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message