Thank you, Ann, for your guidance concerning this issue. Now I know how to handle the citations for the approved pension applications (yes, they do have both application and certificate numbers). I still need to find out if all unapproved applications would be filed under “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” , or if there was another designation for applications for which the applicant didn't submit all necessary information. Thanks again, Cindy Kennedy ________________________________ From: Ann Gillespie <[email protected]> To: Cynthia Kennedy <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] First Reference Note for Civil War Pension Applications (Union): "Approved" or "Rejected" Cindy, If a Union pension file has both an application number and a certificate number, it was approved. If it only has an application number, it was not approved. That doesn't mean that it was rejected, per se, since in a number of cases the applicant never submitted all of the information necessary for the application to be considered. Ann Gillespie http://anngillespieresearch.com/ On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Cynthia Kennedy via <[email protected]> wrote: > >I need help with an issue concerning citations for Civil >War Pension application files (Union). I >have studied 11.40 (page 603-604 in EE), as well as this information from NARA http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/015.html#15.7.3 > >Most of the pension application files that I have ordered >from NARA show that the men did receive a pension. I have two files for >men who did not receive a pension. Both of these files contain statements that >the application was submitted for rejection. > >My question is about the wording in the examples for the >first reference notes on page 604 in EE, “Case Files of Approved Pension >Applications…” and “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, >but since I did not receive documentation from NARA concerning in which of the >above groups (approved or rejected) the files that I ordered are located at >NARA, should I include the phrases “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…” >or “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” based on my reading of the files? I hesitate to do this, without documentation. > >How else would I know the classification of >these pension application files? I have >also checked indexes on Fold3 and Ancestry, but did not find anything there, >either, about approved and rejected files. > >Any assistance would be much appreciated. > >Cindy Kennedy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cynthia wrote: >>My question is about the wording in the examples for the first reference notes on page 604 in EE, “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…” and “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, but since I did not receive documentation from NARA concerning in which of the above groups (approved or rejected) the files that I ordered are located at NARA, should I include the phrases “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…”or “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” based on my reading of the files? I hesitate to do this, without documentation. Then later Cynthia added: >I still need to find out if all unapproved applications would be filed under “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” , or if there was another designation for applications for which the applicant didn't submit all necessary information. Cynthia, you are right that EE does not cover every possible permutation of records from NARA--pensions or otherwise. That's not humanly possible, given the mass of records. However, QuickLesson 4 at EE's website provides a tutorial on how to use NARA finding aids to determine the exact name of the series, subgroup, etc., that you need to cite for whatever kind of records you get from NARA. <https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-4-nara-citations-finding-aids> The situation there is the same as yours: Someone received records from NARA without an adequate identification. The records she received ARE different from the records you are discussing; but the kind of finding aid you need and the approach to use are the same. Hope this helps. Elizabeth ----------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG BCG trustee & past president www.HistoricPathways.com www.IsleofCanes.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained QuickTips at www.EvidenceExplained.com/blogs/ee ________________________________ From: Ann Gillespie <[email protected]> To: Cynthia Kennedy <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] First Reference Note for Civil War Pension Applications (Union): "Approved" or "Rejected" Cindy, If a Union pension file has both an application number and a certificate number, it was approved. If it only has an application number, it was not approved. That doesn't mean that it was rejected, per se, since in a number of cases the applicant never submitted all of the information necessary for the application to be considered. Ann Gillespie http://anngillespieresearch.com/ On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Cynthia Kennedy via <[email protected]> wrote: > >I need help with an issue concerning citations for Civil War Pension >application files (Union). I have studied 11.40 (page 603-604 in EE), >as well as this information from NARA >http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/015.html#15.7 >.3 > >Most of the pension application files that I have ordered from NARA >show that the men did receive a pension. I have two files for men who >did not receive a pension. Both of these files contain statements that >the application was submitted for rejection. > >My question is about the wording in the examples for the first >reference notes on page 604 in EE, “Case Files of Approved Pension >Applications…” and “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” >Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, but since I did not >receive documentation from NARA concerning in which of the above groups >(approved or rejected) the files that I ordered are located at NARA, should I include the phrases “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…” >or “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” based on my reading of the files? I hesitate to do this, without documentation. > >How else would I know the classification of these pension application >files? I have also checked indexes on Fold3 and Ancestry, but did not >find anything there, either, about approved and rejected files. > >Any assistance would be much appreciated. > >Cindy Kennedy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message