It is my understanding that any document copy issued by a governmental agency is certified. The problem is that the verbiage should read "authorized copy" or "informational copy." You are not an authorized party so are elligible only to have an informational copy of the document. I could be wrong about your case, but that is what i have come up against in California. http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/Pages/AthorizedCopyvsInformationalCopy.aspx Good luck, Angela Kraft www.leavesofheritage.com "Let's shake some history from your family tree!" On Nov 19, 2014 1:19 AM, < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Prohibition against county court certifying a naturalization > record (Margaret R. Fortier) > 2. Re: Prohibition against county court certifying a > naturalization record (Lisa Gorrell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:30:25 -0500 > From: "Margaret R. Fortier" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] Prohibition against county court certifying a > naturalization record > To: TG Forum <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > [email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I received an 1884 court record of a naturalization for a client who is > looking for certification. This will probably be a moot point for the dual > citizenship but it raised a question as the Archives of the Circuit Court > of Cook County, Illinois stated by phone, and in writing on their website > that: > > "pursuant to federal law, the Archives can only provide informational > copies, and *not certi**fied copies*, of Naturalization Records." > > Archives Department, Cook County, Illinois, Clerk of the Circuit Court > [Instructions for Naturalization Records], revised 10/08, document online ( > www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org : accessed 16 November 2014), > www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/NR/NAT_INFO.pdf; Chicago, Illinois. > > > However, last month I received a certification of a naturalization from a > county court in another state. So I wonder why a county court in one state > is allowed to certify while a county court in another state is prohibited > from certifying, if it is a federal law? If the original jurisdiction was > the county court isn't that the proper authority to certify, if it still > exists? What other remedy would someone have to certify this document? > > I have done some searches in the US Code and Statues and will continue to > look to locate the language. I should have asked them which law when I > spoke with them. Lesson learned. > > Any guidance appreciated. > > Thanks, > Margaret R. Fortier > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:18:25 -0800 > From: Lisa Gorrell <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Prohibition against county court certifying a > naturalization record > To: "Margaret R. Fortier" <[email protected]> > Cc: TG Forum <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAJYeO8Y1Uz-oBu6GvUtjm= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > In our local archives (Contra Costa County Historical Society), we have the > naturalization records. When someone needs a certification, a county > employee comes and certifies the copy. > > Lisa Gorrell > Martinez, CA > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Margaret R. Fortier via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I received an 1884 court record of a naturalization for a client who is > > looking for certification. This will probably be a moot point for the > dual > > citizenship but it raised a question as the Archives of the Circuit Court > > of Cook County, Illinois stated by phone, and in writing on their website > > that: > > > > "pursuant to federal law, the Archives can only provide informational > > copies, and *not certi**fied copies*, of Naturalization Records." > > > > Archives Department, Cook County, Illinois, Clerk of the Circuit Court > > [Instructions for Naturalization Records], revised 10/08, document > online ( > > www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org : accessed 16 November 2014), > > www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/NR/NAT_INFO.pdf; Chicago, Illinois. > > > > > > However, last month I received a certification of a naturalization from a > > county court in another state. So I wonder why a county court in one > state > > is allowed to certify while a county court in another state is prohibited > > from certifying, if it is a federal law? If the original jurisdiction was > > the county court isn't that the proper authority to certify, if it still > > exists? What other remedy would someone have to certify this document? > > > > I have done some searches in the US Code and Statues and will continue to > > look to locate the language. I should have asked them which law when I > > spoke with them. Lesson learned. > > > > Any guidance appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Margaret R. Fortier > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 356 > *************************************************************** >