A question for the hive-mind: Aside from the possibility that an individual was out of the country at the time of death, is there any reason why a U.S. resident who died in 2009 would not have a death certificate or be in the Social Security death index? Thanks for sharing thoughts! Eva

Eva - what was the person's name, and where do you think he/she died? Claudia Breland Gig Harbor, WA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eva Goodwin via Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:36 PM To: TGF Subject: [TGF] death certificates A question for the hive-mind: Aside from the possibility that an individual was out of the country at the time of death, is there any reason why a U.S. resident who died in 2009 would not have a death certificate or be in the Social Security death index? Thanks for sharing thoughts! Eva ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not everyone needs to be in the SSDI. Only if the heirs or funeral home applied for the death benefit would they appear. Did you check all 50 states? (I say in half-jest.) Just because they don't have a death certificate in the state you expect them in doesn't mean they didn't die elsewhere. I just read an LA Times article about a man who was a train buff and left his Seattle home to take a cross-country train ride. Went to Chicago then New Orleans and then to LA. While boarding there, he had a massive heart attack and died. His son could not afford to bring his cremains home and so he will be buried in a mass grave in LA this week. His death certificate is in California although he lived in Washington and his son was in Idaho. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eva Goodwin via Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:36 PM To: TGF Subject: [TGF] death certificates A question for the hive-mind: Aside from the possibility that an individual was out of the country at the time of death, is there any reason why a U.S. resident who died in 2009 would not have a death certificate or be in the Social Security death index? Thanks for sharing thoughts! Eva ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Additionally, he may have lived/died in one of the states that no longer reports death indexes to SSA. The entry could be by initials or some other variant of the name, there could be a typo in the data entry. The person may be in the SSDI, just not as we would expect. d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

In response to the "why no listing in the SSDI" part of Eva's question, not all U.S. citizens have Social Security numbers, even today. Laws for registration and collection have changed over the years. Some categories of workers used to be exempt. Some who have never been employed might not have had reason for an SSN. This includes my aged mentally ill uncle who died in 2012.  Charlene M. Pipkin, Accredited Genealogist® The ICAPGenSM service mark and the Accredited Genealogist® and AG® certification marks are the sole property of the International Commission for the Accreditation of Professional Genealogists. All Rights Reserved. On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:57 PM, Eva Goodwin via <[email protected]> wrote: A question for the hive-mind: Aside from the possibility that an individual was out of the country at the time of death, is there any reason why a U.S. resident who died in 2009 would not have a death certificate or be in the Social Security death index? Thanks for sharing thoughts! Eva ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message