As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents online at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, without crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't want my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'. Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance." – George Bernard Shaw From: Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected]> To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original records were yielding. So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the question. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ certification as sideline I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. Patti On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Cynthia, It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own analysis, conclusions, and writing. Hope that helps, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal impetus or comfort level. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the way to preserve our work is to write it up and publish it -- stories and reasoning that anyone can enjoy, not databases. In this context I would think the best way to be credited is the same: write it up and publish it. Every genealogy journal I know of is anxious, if not desperate, for good material. If you keep it all private, thieves won't get at it, but when you're gone nobody else will either. That strikes me as futile. The point is not to possess the past. The point is for it to be remembered. Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Mary Douglass via < [email protected]> wrote: > As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents online > at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, without > crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't want > my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'. > Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records > "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it > to dance." – George Bernard Shaw > From: Elissa Scalise Powell via < > [email protected]> > To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM > Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online > > Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work > in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for > years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. > A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family > reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said > that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and > did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. > > > > Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in > combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its > source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). > That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original > records were yielding. > > > > So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep > the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to > disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the > question. > > > > -- Elissa > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> > > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 > July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ > certification as sideline > > > > I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in > our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather > people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. > > > > Patti > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via < > [email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> > wrote: > > Cynthia, > It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an > application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio > requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant > here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used > for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that > our > research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own > analysis, conclusions, and writing. > > Hope that helps, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 > July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed > up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that > generate > income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal > impetus or comfort level. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Mary, This thought has occurred to me, too. I have others who might want to continue or access the work, but the fact is there are other anonymous persons out there not in my immediate circle who show much more interest! Cynthia On 5/1/15 12:23 PM, Mary Douglass via wrote: > As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents online at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, without crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't want my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'. > Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records > "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance." – George Bernard Shaw > From: Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected]> > To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM > Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online > > Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. > > > > Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original records were yielding. > > > > So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the question. > > > > -- Elissa > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> > > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ certification as sideline > > > > I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. > > > > Patti > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Cynthia, > It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an > application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio > requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant > here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used > for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our > research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own > analysis, conclusions, and writing. > > Hope that helps, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed > up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate > income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal > impetus or comfort level. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message