I completely agree with Harold. There is never a good reason to do what you are trying to do. The fact that it can't be done in any way that won't cause horrible confusion should serve as a bright, flashing red flag that it shouldn't be done. For issues like this one, I always refer to the Chicago Manual of Style for guidance. You haven't given us much in the way of specifics to work with, so I will respond with a general note. It seems that you are fighting against your own instincts here. You want to keep certain points succinct, yet you know they really require more detailed discussion. Can you find a happy median? Perhaps some of the "more detailed" discussion is really unnecessary, but the necessary parts can be incorporated into the text or the existing source notes as brief notations. "Dense" writing can often be simplified, without losing meaning or readability, through skillful re-writing and editing. Good luck, Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson via Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 7:12 PM To: Cynthia Swope Cc: Transitional Genealogists Forum Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] Footnote citation form trouble Cynthia -- Very quickly as I'm about to be summoned away . . . Don't even think about having two different sets of notes and some of the notes having notes. If you need extra material, and you're dead-set against having it in the text (where I would recommend), then make it a sidebar with its own notes or its own in-text references to other relevant footnotes. Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Cynthia Swope via < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm confused about how best to do this. > I am writing a paper that includes a couple footnotes to explain in more > detail some of the relevant points I wish to keep succinct in the main > body of text. > These footnotes are in italics on the same page and above the list of > "sources" for the page. > > I have a situation where one of the longer footnotes which goes from a > page into the next, and which fluidly refers to the main body of text > also going from that one page to the next. Again, the main text appears > in regular font style, the footnote in italic (redundant statement but > made for clarity) on both pages. > > So, I have sources for the footnote and the main text as well on one > page and can't really make it work for the footnote narrative to end > saying "See [full citation source 1]; [full citation source 2]; [full > citation source 3]" as there are specific points I'm trying to source > at the point they are needed. > SO, what I have is a situation where in main body I'm inserting 1, 2, 3 > etc. for citations added at bottom of page, but I also have citations 1 > 2, 3 for the footnote. > > Since depending on which you are reading, main body or footnote, the > citations can't be clear unless I separate them in some way, I'm > thinking I should give the footnote it's own list under it's italicized > text. > If that is kosher, should I have 'sources' written and then list the > citations for the footnote just below the footnote? If I should do that > should I call them A B C instead of 1, 2, 3 maybe? > Right below them will be another 'sources' written out, with a list of > the sources 1, 2, 3 etc for the main body. > > I hope I'm being clear here, and will appreciate any feedback. It's > driving me crazy! I really don't know how to handle this. > > Cynthia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all for your thoughtful replies. I've taken your suggestions and am hunkering down again! Cynthia On 4/12/15 9:33 PM, Michael Hait wrote: > I completely agree with Harold. There is never a good reason to do > what you are trying to do. The fact that it can't be done in any way > that won't cause horrible confusion should serve as a bright, flashing > red flag that it shouldn't be done. For issues like this one, I always > refer to the Chicago Manual of Style for guidance. > > You haven't given us much in the way of specifics to work with, so I > will respond with a general note. It seems that you are fighting > against your own instincts here. You want to keep certain points > succinct, yet you know they really require more detailed discussion. > Can you find a happy median? Perhaps some of the "more detailed" > discussion is really unnecessary, but the necessary parts can be > incorporated into the text or the existing source notes as brief > notations. > > "Dense" writing can often be simplified, without losing meaning or > readability, through skillful re-writing and editing. > > Good luck, > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board > certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name > is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson via > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 7:12 PM > To: Cynthia Swope > Cc: Transitional Genealogists Forum Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TGF] Footnote citation form trouble > > Cynthia -- > > Very quickly as I'm about to be summoned away . . . > > Don't even think about having two different sets of notes and some of the > notes having notes. If you need extra material, and you're dead-set > against > having it in the text (where I would recommend), then make it a sidebar > with its own notes or its own in-text references to other relevant > footnotes. > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Cynthia Swope via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm confused about how best to do this. >> I am writing a paper that includes a couple footnotes to explain in more >> detail some of the relevant points I wish to keep succinct in the main >> body of text. >> These footnotes are in italics on the same page and above the list of >> "sources" for the page. >> >> I have a situation where one of the longer footnotes which goes from a >> page into the next, and which fluidly refers to the main body of text >> also going from that one page to the next. Again, the main text appears >> in regular font style, the footnote in italic (redundant statement but >> made for clarity) on both pages. >> >> So, I have sources for the footnote and the main text as well on one >> page and can't really make it work for the footnote narrative to end >> saying "See [full citation source 1]; [full citation source 2]; [full >> citation source 3]" as there are specific points I'm trying to source >> at the point they are needed. >> SO, what I have is a situation where in main body I'm inserting 1, 2, 3 >> etc. for citations added at bottom of page, but I also have citations 1 >> 2, 3 for the footnote. >> >> Since depending on which you are reading, main body or footnote, the >> citations can't be clear unless I separate them in some way, I'm >> thinking I should give the footnote it's own list under it's italicized >> text. >> If that is kosher, should I have 'sources' written and then list the >> citations for the footnote just below the footnote? If I should do that >> should I call them A B C instead of 1, 2, 3 maybe? >> Right below them will be another 'sources' written out, with a list of >> the sources 1, 2, 3 etc for the main body. >> >> I hope I'm being clear here, and will appreciate any feedback. It's >> driving me crazy! I really don't know how to handle this. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message