Why is the email relevant at all to the citation of the newspaper? If the sender was functioning as an agent to obtain a publicly available record from the society library's microfilm collection, for example, then you would cite the repository information, but not the agent who obtained it. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Hobbs via Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: Kathie Fortner Cc: TGF List Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation Kathie, I'm not sure how you contacted the person (via Ancestry message board) is material if you corresponded directly through email to get the document(s). I'd refer to the attachment directly as you normally would for that kind of document (newspaper if it's an obituary with identifying information). Then after the semi-colon, you'd refer to the avenue of receipt as being sent by email from the sender which would then cite the origin of the obituary as being the Elgin County Genealogical Society. Patti On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Kathie Fortner via < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm trying to cite an email with attachments. The attachments are > identified by the sender. Am I on the right track with this? > > [Name of Sender], Via Ancestry Message Boards {senders email} To Kathie > Fortner, Email with attachments, 14 Aug 2014, "Hannah Bellowes Fortner > Obituary"; Attachments from "The St Thomas Evening Journal " 29 Aug 1908, > 1 > Sep 1908, Elgin County Gealogical Society, -- > > * > Kathie Fortner* > * <[email protected]>* > > *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The copy of the newspaper obit was obtained by a friend, Mary, for her own use and when she realized we were researching the same line, she sent me a copy. I am wondering if I should only cite the email from Mary, because that is where I saw the obit, or whether I should also cite the attachments since the information is present in the email. Kathie On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Michael Hait <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is the email relevant at all to the citation of the newspaper? If the > sender was functioning as an agent to obtain a publicly available record > from the society library's microfilm collection, for example, then you > would cite the repository information, but not the agent who obtained it. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Hobbs via > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:58 PM > To: Kathie Fortner > Cc: TGF List > Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation > > > Kathie, I'm not sure how you contacted the person (via Ancestry message > board) is material if you corresponded directly through email to get the > document(s). > > I'd refer to the attachment directly as you normally would for that kind of > document (newspaper if it's an obituary with identifying information). Then > after the semi-colon, you'd refer to the avenue of receipt as being sent by > email from the sender which would then cite the origin of the obituary as > being the Elgin County Genealogical Society. > > Patti > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Kathie Fortner via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I'm trying to cite an email with attachments. The attachments are >> identified by the sender. Am I on the right track with this? >> >> [Name of Sender], Via Ancestry Message Boards {senders email} To Kathie >> Fortner, Email with attachments, 14 Aug 2014, "Hannah Bellowes Fortner >> Obituary"; Attachments from "The St Thomas Evening Journal " 29 Aug 1908, >> 1 >> Sep 1908, Elgin County Gealogical Society, -- >> >> * >> Kathie Fortner* >> * <[email protected]>* >> >> *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>*
I think you'd cite the email and the repository because you are dependent on the person who sent the itme to be accurately identifying it (say the title or date of the newspaper is not in the copy, for example), but the person who sent it knows from obtaining it. Since you didn't get it yourself, you are letting the reader know that because the information was obtained from someone else, there may be errors that have crept in. Patti On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Michael Hait <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is the email relevant at all to the citation of the newspaper? If the > sender was functioning as an agent to obtain a publicly available record > from the society library's microfilm collection, for example, then you > would cite the repository information, but not the agent who obtained it. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Hobbs via > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:58 PM > To: Kathie Fortner > Cc: TGF List > Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation > > > Kathie, I'm not sure how you contacted the person (via Ancestry message > board) is material if you corresponded directly through email to get the > document(s). > > I'd refer to the attachment directly as you normally would for that kind of > document (newspaper if it's an obituary with identifying information). Then > after the semi-colon, you'd refer to the avenue of receipt as being sent by > email from the sender which would then cite the origin of the obituary as > being the Elgin County Genealogical Society. > > Patti > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Kathie Fortner via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I'm trying to cite an email with attachments. The attachments are >> identified by the sender. Am I on the right track with this? >> >> [Name of Sender], Via Ancestry Message Boards {senders email} To Kathie >> Fortner, Email with attachments, 14 Aug 2014, "Hannah Bellowes Fortner >> Obituary"; Attachments from "The St Thomas Evening Journal " 29 Aug 1908, >> 1 >> Sep 1908, Elgin County Gealogical Society, -- >> >> * >> Kathie Fortner* >> * <[email protected]>* >> >> *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
That’s really not standard operating procedure, though. Agents are almost never cited as a source in research reports or journal articles when dealing with published or public sources, if a digital image has been obtained. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. From: Patricia Hobbs Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 5:32 PM To: Michael Hait Cc: Kathie Fortner ; TGF List Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation I think you'd cite the email and the repository because you are dependent on the person who sent the itme to be accurately identifying it (say the title or date of the newspaper is not in the copy, for example), but the person who sent it knows from obtaining it. Since you didn't get it yourself, you are letting the reader know that because the information was obtained from someone else, there may be errors that have crept in. Patti On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Michael Hait <[email protected]> wrote: Why is the email relevant at all to the citation of the newspaper? If the sender was functioning as an agent to obtain a publicly available record from the society library's microfilm collection, for example, then you would cite the repository information, but not the agent who obtained it. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Hobbs via Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: Kathie Fortner Cc: TGF List Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation Kathie, I'm not sure how you contacted the person (via Ancestry message board) is material if you corresponded directly through email to get the document(s). I'd refer to the attachment directly as you normally would for that kind of document (newspaper if it's an obituary with identifying information). Then after the semi-colon, you'd refer to the avenue of receipt as being sent by email from the sender which would then cite the origin of the obituary as being the Elgin County Genealogical Society. Patti On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Kathie Fortner via < [email protected]> wrote: I'm trying to cite an email with attachments. The attachments are identified by the sender. Am I on the right track with this? [Name of Sender], Via Ancestry Message Boards {senders email} To Kathie Fortner, Email with attachments, 14 Aug 2014, "Hannah Bellowes Fortner Obituary"; Attachments from "The St Thomas Evening Journal " 29 Aug 1908, 1 Sep 1908, Elgin County Gealogical Society, -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message