Great! You'll probably hear some of these things said there, with credit. Harold Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net Genealogical writing and editing Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Ann Watson <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> wrote: > Thanks Harold! I am signed up for your GRIP class in June. Very glad. > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, transitional-genealogists- > forum-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-request@ > rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to > transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com<mailto:tran > sitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/ > transitional-genealogists-forum > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. for those interested in writing (Harold Henderson) > 2. Re: for those interested in writing (Kathy Gunter Sullivan, CG) > 3. Re: for those interested in writing (Dianne Holley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 07:24:19 -0600 > From: Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com> > To: Transitional Genealogists > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TGF] for those interested in writing > Message-ID: > <CABPpKTge_zxmkdcJr6OVy_Z7j666SwosBoq3Thh=m6P-hhNQ-Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what- > writers-really-do-when-they-write > > This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty of > interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my favorite > aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. > > Harold > > > Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ? midwestroots.net > Genealogical writing and editing > Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, > Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 13:49:49 -0500 > From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan, CG" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> > To: Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com>, Transitional > Genealogists <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] for those interested in writing > Message-ID: <180d28dd-d28c-605b-279b-2c833760d6f8@carolina.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > This site is fascinating. Thanks for sharing! > > Kathy > > On 3/5/2017 8:24 AM, Harold Henderson wrote: > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what- > writers-really-do-when-they-write > > This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty of > interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my favorite > aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. > > Harold > > > Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ? midwestroots.net > Genealogical writing and editing > Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, > Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 15:41:34 -0600 > From: Dianne Holley <Dianne@HolleyArt.com> > To: "'Harold Henderson'" <librarytraveler@gmail.com>, "'Transitional > Genealogists'" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] for those interested in writing > Message-ID: <002601d295f9$43237c00$c96a7400$@HolleyArt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Wow! - just Wow! > I can't devour this fast enough and can't wait for a second, > third.....reading! > > Thanks VERY much for sharing, Harold! > > Dianne Holley > dianne@cmemories.us > Austin, Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional- > genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harold Henderson > Sent: March 5, 2017 07:24 > To: Transitional Genealogists <transitional-genealogists- > forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TGF] for those interested in writing > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what- > writers-really-do-when-they-write > > This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty > of interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my > favorite aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. > > Harold > > > Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ? midwestroots.net Genealogical > writing and editing Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, Flint/Gedney > 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30 > *************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

LOL, Janis, that's one reason I'm trying to phase out of speaking . . . Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net Genealogical writing and editing Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Janis L Gilmore <janis.gilmore@gmail.com> wrote: > Harold, > > Thanks for posting this piece. > > Among my favorites: "We often discuss art this way: the artist had > something he 'wanted to express,' and then he just, you know … expressed > it.” I also loved the Einstein quote, "No worthy problem is ever solved in > the plane of its original conception.” And the political commentary > commentary. (Intentional repetition.) > > Oh. And I would much rather NOT think of myself as preferring writing to > speaking because when I write I appear as “less of a dope than usual.” The > truth hurts. : ) > > Janis Walker Gilmore > Pawleys Island, SC, & Seattle, WA (but back in SC, so might drop that > “Seattle” part for a while!) > > > > > On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what- > writers-really-do-when-they-write > > > > This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty > of > > interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my > favorite > > aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. > > > > Harold > > > > > > Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net > > Genealogical writing and editing > > Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, > > Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Wow! - just Wow! I can't devour this fast enough and can't wait for a second, third.....reading! Thanks VERY much for sharing, Harold! Dianne Holley dianne@cmemories.us Austin, Texas -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harold Henderson Sent: March 5, 2017 07:24 To: Transitional Genealogists <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TGF] for those interested in writing https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what-writers-really-do-when-they-write This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty of interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my favorite aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. Harold Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net Genealogical writing and editing Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This site is fascinating. Thanks for sharing! Kathy On 3/5/2017 8:24 AM, Harold Henderson wrote: > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what-writers-really-do-when-they-write > > This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty of > interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my favorite > aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. > > Harold > > > Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net > Genealogical writing and editing > Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, > Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/04/what-writers-really-do-when-they-write This is by a fiction writer about his kind of writing but I found plenty of interesting nuggets, especially in the first part. From one of my favorite aggregator websites, Three Quarks Daily. Harold Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net Genealogical writing and editing Current research: Boren 1750-1840 PA, Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO, Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL

For immediate release BCG OFFERS FREE WEBINAR Tuesday, 21 March, 8:00 p.m. Eastern “Are You My Grandpa? Men of the Same Name” by Rebecca Whitman Koford, CG This lecture reviews tactics for sorting our ancestors from other men or women of the same name in the same general time period and location. Several case studies show how these methods were effective. The Board for Certification of Genealogists (BCG) will present “Are You My Grandpa? Men of the Same Name” by Rebecca Whitman Koford, CG, free to the public at 8:00 p.m. EDT, 21 March 2017. Rebecca Whitman Koford holds a Certified Genealogist credential. Her focus is in American research with special emphasis in Maryland and has been taking clients and lecturing since 2004. She has spoken for the National Genealogical Society Conference, Maryland State Archives, and for groups in Maryland, Virginia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Washington, D.C., and Delaware. She is a board member of the Maryland Genealogical Society and volunteers at the Family History Center in Frederick, Maryland. She has published articles in the NGS Magazine and the Maryland Genealogical Society Journal. She is a graduate of the ProGen Study Group, an online peer-led study program based on the book Professional Genealogy by Elizabeth Shown Mills; she was appointed ProGen Administrator in January 2015. Rebecca is currently very enthusiastic about the Society of Preservation Patriots project sponsored by FGS, an effort to digitize original military records from the National Archives. Rebecca lives in Mt. Airy, Maryland, with three active teenagers and a very patient husband. “We are pleased to offer these educational opportunities to the community,” said President Jeanne Larzalere Bloom, CG. “The Board for Certification of Genealogists strives to foster public confidence in genealogy by promoting an attainable, uniform standard of competence and ethics. Educating all family historians of every level is part of this mission.” Register for “Are You My Grandpa? Men of the Same Name” by Rebecca Whitman Koford, CG, before 21 March 2017 at: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/6102864957247405057 <https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/6102864957247405057>. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar. For more information contact: office@BCGcertification.org. View BCG’s past Legacy webinars at http://familytreewebinars.com/bcg <http://familytreewebinars.com/bcg> and http://bcgcertification.org/blog/bcg-webinars <http://bcgcertification.org/blog/bcg-webinars>. For more information on educational opportunities, please visit: http://www.BCGcertification.org/certification/educ.html <http://www.bcgcertification.org/certification/educ.html>. The words Certified Genealogist are a registered certification mark, and the designations CG, CGL and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluation. # Cari A. Taplin, CG BCG News Release Coordinator Pflugerville, Texas cat.taplin@gmail.com <mailto:cat.taplin@gmail.com> www.genealogypants.com <http://www.genealogypants.com/> The words Certified Genealogist are a registered certification mark, and the designation CG a proprietary service mark, of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by authorized associates following peer-reviewed competency evaluations. Certificate No. 1058, expires 24 February 2020.

Thanks, Elissa. As a librarian, I have no problem finding enough work *grin* so probably will skip the middleman this time. Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG Local History/Genealogy Librarian Braswell Memorial Library 727 N Grace St Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951 ext 247(voice) Opinions expressed are my own. CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists and are used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic genealogical competency evaluations. The Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:51:27 -0500 From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TGF] Broker companies Message-ID: <011b01d28f87$68cb8150$3a6283f0$@PowellGenealogy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dee Dee, It is funny how you say that these firms come and go and just this week I was cleaning up old email from 2011 and found a message from such a company seeking to solicit professionals to work with their clients. The website no longer works and it looks like they don't exist anymore. They do indeed "come and go." When I was a transitional genealogist in the B.C. era (Before Computers) there was a company that advertised for clients in the _Genealogical Helper_ (the largest means of genealogical communication at the time). I worked for them on projects that they garnered. Communication with the client was a problem because of the middleman involved. Eventually as my own clientele and hourly rate grew I went past what I was getting paid from the broker firm, so we parted ways. So if you want to get a little experience, it could be an interesting way to gain clients. However there are problems with understanding what the client really wants (typically uninitiated clients who don't understand the realities of research) and communicating with them for clarification. Plus all the copyright and contract issues that Dee Dee brings up. Your business, your call. You can probably gain clients for yourself just by being helpful on email and Facebook groups and then someone contacting you from that. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office.

Dee Dee, It is funny how you say that these firms come and go and just this week I was cleaning up old email from 2011 and found a message from such a company seeking to solicit professionals to work with their clients. The website no longer works and it looks like they don't exist anymore. They do indeed "come and go." When I was a transitional genealogist in the B.C. era (Before Computers) there was a company that advertised for clients in the _Genealogical Helper_ (the largest means of genealogical communication at the time). I worked for them on projects that they garnered. Communication with the client was a problem because of the middleman involved. Eventually as my own clientele and hourly rate grew I went past what I was getting paid from the broker firm, so we parted ways. So if you want to get a little experience, it could be an interesting way to gain clients. However there are problems with understanding what the client really wants (typically uninitiated clients who don't understand the realities of research) and communicating with them for clarification. Plus all the copyright and contract issues that Dee Dee brings up. Your business, your call. You can probably gain clients for yourself just by being helpful on email and Facebook groups and then someone contacting you from that. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:28 AM To: TThompson@Braswell-Library.org; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com; Jim Thornhill <jtcowman@cnextplus.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 11, Issue 25 I think the problems you mention have been the problems with all of these types of services that come and go - from the first one, genealogy Lance to the original way Ancestry did their services to new services cropping up today. Having the middle man also creates issues and there needs to be clear understandings on things like copyright and client disputes. The contract with AncestorCloud will over-rule the terms of your contract with any client through that service. It may also limit the provider from doing any additional work for that client unless it is through the service so the service can collect its fee. best regards, Dee > On February 25, 2017 at 10:18 AM Jim Thornhill <jtcowman@cnextplus.com> wrote: > > > > Traci, > I have had one client with AncestorCloud, and it worked out very well. > Their staff is very helpful in explaining the process. They have a > messaging component, where you can work out any details and get any > questions answered before you actually submit a proposal with a fee. I > liked the fact that the client pays AncestorCloud before you begin the > work, and that AncestorCloud is insistent that if you perform the work > as specified, that you will get paid. They charge about 10% of your > fee for their service. If you decide to use them, I would be as > specific as possible in your proposal, listing exactly what you will > and will not do to earn the fee. The one downside I have noticed is > that most people requesting help don't seem to have any idea what they > really need or want, so there is a little "hand holding" involved. I > have also responded to two requests recently and have gotten no reply, > so I would suggest not putting any time into a project until you hear > back from them (yes, I did do that!). > Jim > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000 > > From: Traci Thompson <TThompson@Braswell-Library.org> > > To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [TGF] Ancestor Cloud > > Message-ID: > > <39706835CA06F44D8889BA7656512FDD01B5BF98EA@2SPARKY.braswell-library > > .org> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Today I received a request for research from AncestorCloud > > (www.ancestorcloud.com<http://www.ancestorcloud.com/>). I had never > > heard of them and don't know anything about this - I just read their > > FAQ - does anyone have experience with this service? Are there any > > legalities I should know about? > > > > Thanks for any info, > > > > Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG > > Local History/Genealogy Librarian > > Braswell Memorial Library > > 727 N Grace St > > Rocky Mount, NC 27804 > > 252-442-1951<tel:%28252%29%20442-1951> ext 247(voice) Opinions > > expressed are my own. > > > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the > > Board for Certification of Genealogists and are used under license > > by Board-certified genealogists after periodic genealogical > > competency evaluations. The Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > Create /Your/ Family's Legacy with Heroes of the Past > <http://www.heroesofthepast.com> Family History problems solved Record > Retrieval ** Individual Coaching (Dallas, TX) Speaking/Training ** > Photography > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist CG is a service mark and Certified Genealogist is a registered certification mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluations, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the problems you mention have been the problems with all of these types of services that come and go - from the first one, genealogy Lance to the original way Ancestry did their services to new services cropping up today. Having the middle man also creates issues and there needs to be clear understandings on things like copyright and client disputes. The contract with AncestorCloud will over-rule the terms of your contract with any client through that service. It may also limit the provider from doing any additional work for that client unless it is through the service so the service can collect its fee. best regards, Dee > On February 25, 2017 at 10:18 AM Jim Thornhill <jtcowman@cnextplus.com> wrote: > > > > Traci, > I have had one client with AncestorCloud, and it worked out very > well. Their staff is very helpful in explaining the process. They have > a messaging component, where you can work out any details and get any > questions answered before you actually submit a proposal with a fee. I > liked the fact that the client pays AncestorCloud before you begin the > work, and that AncestorCloud is insistent that if you perform the work > as specified, that you will get paid. They charge about 10% of your fee > for their service. If you decide to use them, I would be as specific > as possible in your proposal, listing exactly what you will and will not > do to earn the fee. The one downside I have noticed is that most > people requesting help don't seem to have any idea what they really need > or want, so there is a little "hand holding" involved. I have also > responded to two requests recently and have gotten no reply, so I would > suggest not putting any time into a project until you hear back from > them (yes, I did do that!). > Jim > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000 > > From: Traci Thompson <TThompson@Braswell-Library.org> > > To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [TGF] Ancestor Cloud > > Message-ID: > > <39706835CA06F44D8889BA7656512FDD01B5BF98EA@2SPARKY.braswell-library.org> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Today I received a request for research from AncestorCloud > > (www.ancestorcloud.com<http://www.ancestorcloud.com/>). I had never heard of > > them and don't know anything about this - I just read their FAQ - does > > anyone have experience with this service? Are there any legalities I should > > know about? > > > > Thanks for any info, > > > > Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG > > Local History/Genealogy Librarian > > Braswell Memorial Library > > 727 N Grace St > > Rocky Mount, NC 27804 > > 252-442-1951<tel:%28252%29%20442-1951> ext 247(voice) > > Opinions expressed are my own. > > > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for > > Certification of Genealogists and are used under license by Board-certified > > genealogists after periodic genealogical competency evaluations. The Board > > name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > Create /Your/ Family's Legacy with Heroes of the Past > <http://www.heroesofthepast.com> > Family History problems solved > Record Retrieval ** Individual Coaching (Dallas, TX) > Speaking/Training ** Photography > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist CG is a service mark and Certified Genealogist is a registered certification mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluations, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Traci, I have had one client with AncestorCloud, and it worked out very well. Their staff is very helpful in explaining the process. They have a messaging component, where you can work out any details and get any questions answered before you actually submit a proposal with a fee. I liked the fact that the client pays AncestorCloud before you begin the work, and that AncestorCloud is insistent that if you perform the work as specified, that you will get paid. They charge about 10% of your fee for their service. If you decide to use them, I would be as specific as possible in your proposal, listing exactly what you will and will not do to earn the fee. The one downside I have noticed is that most people requesting help don't seem to have any idea what they really need or want, so there is a little "hand holding" involved. I have also responded to two requests recently and have gotten no reply, so I would suggest not putting any time into a project until you hear back from them (yes, I did do that!). Jim > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:43:29 +0000 > From: Traci Thompson <TThompson@Braswell-Library.org> > To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TGF] Ancestor Cloud > Message-ID: > <39706835CA06F44D8889BA7656512FDD01B5BF98EA@2SPARKY.braswell-library.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Today I received a request for research from AncestorCloud (www.ancestorcloud.com<http://www.ancestorcloud.com/>). I had never heard of them and don't know anything about this - I just read their FAQ - does anyone have experience with this service? Are there any legalities I should know about? > > Thanks for any info, > > Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG > Local History/Genealogy Librarian > Braswell Memorial Library > 727 N Grace St > Rocky Mount, NC 27804 > 252-442-1951<tel:%28252%29%20442-1951> ext 247(voice) > Opinions expressed are my own. > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists and are used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic genealogical competency evaluations. The Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > > ------------------------------ > > -- Create /Your/ Family's Legacy with Heroes of the Past <http://www.heroesofthepast.com> Family History problems solved Record Retrieval ** Individual Coaching (Dallas, TX) Speaking/Training ** Photography

Thank you Dee. I felt uneasy about it. I prefer to build a more personal relationship with patrons and clients, also. Traci ________________________________ From: Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist [king@forensicgenealogyservices.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:05 AM To: Traci Thompson; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Ancestor Cloud If I read this correctly [quickly], the service allows potential clients to post "jobs" and offers a "reward" to the genealogist who answers the research question. I saw one "reward" as low as $30. In my opinion, these types of services come and go pretty often, relying mostly on service providers with little true professional experience. There are none of the common professional accommodations like client contracts that specify the terms and the rights and responsibilities of both the client and the researcher. The project-to-"reward" ratio usually reflects no understanding of how professionals research and the amount of time and effort the project might take. best regards, Dee > On February 23, 2017 at 9:43 AM Traci Thompson <TThompson@Braswell-Library.org> wrote: > > > Today I received a request for research from AncestorCloud (www.ancestorcloud.com<http://www.ancestorcloud.com/>). I had never heard of them and don't know anything about this - I just read their FAQ - does anyone have experience with this service? Are there any legalities I should know about? > > Thanks for any info, > > Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG > Local History/Genealogy Librarian > Braswell Memorial Library > 727 N Grace St > Rocky Mount, NC 27804 > 252-442-1951<tel:%28252%29%20442-1951> ext 247(voice) > Opinions expressed are my own. > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists and are used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic genealogical competency evaluations. The Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist CG is a service mark and Certified Genealogist is a registered certification mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluations, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Today I received a request for research from AncestorCloud (www.ancestorcloud.com<http://www.ancestorcloud.com/>). I had never heard of them and don't know anything about this - I just read their FAQ - does anyone have experience with this service? Are there any legalities I should know about? Thanks for any info, Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG Local History/Genealogy Librarian Braswell Memorial Library 727 N Grace St Rocky Mount, NC 27804 252-442-1951<tel:%28252%29%20442-1951> ext 247(voice) Opinions expressed are my own. CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists and are used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic genealogical competency evaluations. The Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

If I read this correctly [quickly], the service allows potential clients to post "jobs" and offers a "reward" to the genealogist who answers the research question. I saw one "reward" as low as $30. In my opinion, these types of services come and go pretty often, relying mostly on service providers with little true professional experience. There are none of the common professional accommodations like client contracts that specify the terms and the rights and responsibilities of both the client and the researcher. The project-to-"reward" ratio usually reflects no understanding of how professionals research and the amount of time and effort the project might take. best regards, Dee > On February 23, 2017 at 9:43 AM Traci Thompson > <TThompson@Braswell-Library.org> wrote: > > > Today I received a request for research from AncestorCloud > (www.ancestorcloud.com<http://www.ancestorcloud.com/>). I had never heard of > them and don't know anything about this - I just read their FAQ - does anyone > have experience with this service? Are there any legalities I should know > about? > > Thanks for any info, > > Traci Thompson, MLIS, CG > Local History/Genealogy Librarian > Braswell Memorial Library > 727 N Grace St > Rocky Mount, NC 27804 > 252-442-1951<tel:%28252%29%20442-1951> ext 247(voice) > Opinions expressed are my own. > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists and are used under license by Board-certified > genealogists after periodic genealogical competency evaluations. The Board > name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist CG is a service mark and Certified Genealogist is a registered certification mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluations, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

The Genealogical Institute on Federal Records (Gen-Fed) has announced details on registration, scheduled to open on Saturday, February 25, at 3:00 PM EST. To read the whole announcement, go to: http://www.gen-fed.org/registration-details-for-gen-fed-2017-released/ -- Malissa Ruffner, JD, MLS, CG℠ mruffner@gmail.com

Only 7 days remain to submit proposals for the 4th Annual Nashi Predky Fall Conference. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Call for Proposals 2017 Nashi Predky Fall Conference, October 6-7 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:52:36 -0500 From: Michelle Chubenko <michelle@chubenko.us> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Nashi Predky Call for Proposals The Nashi Predky-Our Ancestors Family History Group of the Ukrainian Historical & Educational Center announces an invitation to submit lecture and workshop proposals for the 4th Annual Nashi Predky Fall Conference. The 2017 theme is Unlock Your Heritage: Discover Your Ancestry. The conference will be held at the Ukrainian Cultural Center in Somerset, New Jersey on October 6-7, 2017. Criteria for Presentations and Workshops * Presentations will be 60 minutes, which includes 10 minutes reserved for questions and answers. Workshops will be no less than 2.5 hours, and include 20 minutes reserved for questions and answers. * Suggested topics include but are certainly not limited to: DNA, Austro-Hungarian and Russian Empires, U.S. immigration resources, Cyrillic alphabet, religion, technology/online resources, or researching in Ukraine and other ancestral locations. Submission of Proposals Speakers may submit up to 6 presentations. Speakers interested in presenting lecture presentations or workshops must submit their proposals through the online application form: https://goo.gl/forms/HNkiw8kcz7bbgXrA2 The Nashi Predky Conference draws attendees of all experience levels, from the beginner to the professional. Submissions utilizing our theme are encouraged. All submissions must include: * speaker's full name, address, telephone, and e-mail address * speaker biography * presentation title * presentation summary * brief, but detailed outline * audience level: beginner, beginner-intermediate, intermediate, intermediate-advanced, advanced, or all. Selected speakers receive an honorarium, travel stipend, conference registration, and hotel accommodations based on the number of lectures presented. For more details, please view the full Call for Speakers (www.NashiPredky.org/call-for-proposals <https://www.ukrhec.org/call-for-proposals/family-history-group>). The deadline for submission of proposals is February 20, 2017. Everyone who submits a proposal will be notified by email no later than April 20, 2017 as to whether or not their proposal has been accepted. You may contact the Program Committee at genealogy@ukrhec.org with any questions or comments. -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko "Our Ancestors -- Наші предки / Ukrainian Genealogy" https://www.facebook.com/groups/NashiPredky/ https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/107238252771720982783 Co-Coordinator, Family History Group Ukrainian Historical & Educational Center of NJ http://www.ukrhec.org/family-history-group jerseyrootsgenealogy.wordpress.com Member, Association of Professional Genealogists (APG) New Jersey Chapter of APG "Things don't turn up in this world until somebody turns them up." - James A. Garfield

Genealogy Friends, A friendly reminder: Presentation proposals for the Tenth Annual North Star Genealogy Conference are due March 3. The request for proposals (RFP) on the MGS Website: http://mngs.org/cpage.php?pt=125 If you click on this link, it will take you to a page that leads you to the RFP. Embedded in the RFP is a link to the online proposal submission form. If you are interested in proposing a program session for the conference, you must use this submission form. We are trying something new this year. The RFP covers both the 2017 North Star Conference and the Fall 2017-Spring 2018 webinar series. Submitters can indicate whether they wish their proposals considered for conference only, webinar only, or both. We think this will be a convenience for both submitters and for the MGS Education Committee, which reviews the proposals. J. H. ("Jay") Fonkert, CG Roseville, MN 55113 651-735-8630 Thursday is Blogsday: http://www.fourgenerationsgenealogy.blogspot.com About me: http://www.fourgenerationsgenealogy.wordpress.com CG is a service mark and Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluations. Certificate No. 965, re-issued 11 May 2012, expires 11 May 2017.

If you are in the San Antonio area please join us for FGI'sfirst banquet.   Judy G. Russell,JD, CG, CGL, aka The Legal Genealogist, will be speaking about "The Restof the Story: Going beyond the record to tell the rest of the story: how tofind it, when to tell it, and when to keep it to ourselves" on Wednesday,8 March 2017 at 7pm at the historic Menger Hotel.   We are so excited for the opportunity to have Judy celebratethis first with us!   To register for the banquet, go to http://www.forensicgenealogists.org/institute/register/ and select the dish you would like.Registration closes 28 February 2017.   If you are still thinking about attending the conference, westill have a few seats left!  Register athttp://www.forensicgenealogists.org/institute/register/

Karen, your link to the gen proof site did not work. Thanks __ Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Feb 3, 2017, at 3:55 PM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com<mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/transitional-genealogists-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." Today's Topics: 1. BCG Free Webinar - ?Weaving DNA Test Results into a Proof Argument? by Karen Stanbary, CG (Cari Taplin) 2. Gen Proof Study Group Graduates (Karen J. Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 10:57:42 -0600 From: Cari Taplin <cat.taplin@gmail.com> To: TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TGF] BCG Free Webinar - ?Weaving DNA Test Results into a Proof Argument? by Karen Stanbary, CG Message-ID: <CAADrE69C2tcSuxEJ2-EQLbJC5S75oECMFCCwmAR2asZOExnnkA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" For immediate release BCG OFFERS FREE WEBINAR Tuesday, 21 February, 8:00 p.m. Eastern ?Weaving DNA Test Results into a Proof Argument? by Karen Stanbary, CG This lecture will illustrate how to integrate each element of the Genealogical Proof Standard in a proof argument that relies heavily on autosomal DNA test results to answer a relationship research question. The examples are drawn from "Rafael Arriaga, A Mexican Father in Michigan: Autosomal DNA Helps Identify Paternity? from the *National Genealogical Society Quarterly *(June 2016). The Board for Certification of Genealogists (BCG) will present ?Weaving DNA Test Results into a Proof Argument? by Karen Stanbary, CG, free to the public at 8:00 p.m. EDT, 21 February 2017. Karen Stanbary, CG, holds a Master?s Degree in Clinical Social Work from the University of Chicago. She specializes in Midwestern, Chicago, and Mexican research as well as complex problem-solving and DNA analysis. A regular instructor in Chicago?s Newberry Library Adult Education program, Karen lectures on topics including Genetic Genealogy, Advanced Genetic Genealogy and the Genealogical Proof Standard. She is a faculty member at GRIP, IGHR, and SLIG. She published a complex evidence case study incorporating traditional documentary research and autosomal DNA analysis in the June 2016 issue of the *National Genealogical Society Quarterly*. She holds the Certified Genealogist credential from the Board for Certification of Genealogists where she serves on the Genetic Genealogy Standards committee. President Jeanne Larzalere Bloom, CG, says, ?The Board for Certification of Genealogists is proud to offer this new webinar as part of an ongoing series that supports our mission to provide education for family historians. This webinar will address genealogy standards for research. By promoting a uniform standard of competence and ethics BCG endeavors to foster public confidence in genealogy.? Register for ?Weaving DNA Test Results into a Proof Argument? by Karen Stanbary, CG, before 21 February 2017 at: https://attendee. gotowebinar.com/register/1253173154332404739. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar. For more information contact: office@BCGcertification.org. View BCG?s past Legacy webinars at http://familytreewebinars.com/bcg and http://bcgcertification.org/blog/bcg-webinars. For more information on educational opportunities, please visit: http://www.BCGcertification.org/ certification/educ.html <http://www.bcgcertification.org/certification/educ.html>. The words Certified Genealogist are a registered certification mark, and the designations CG, CGL and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluation. # Sincerely, Cari A. Taplin, CG? BCG News Release Coordinator Pflugerville, Texas cat.taplin@gmail.com www.genealogypants.com The words Certified Genealogist are a registered certification mark, and the designation CG a proprietary service mark, of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, used under license by authorized associates following peer-reviewed competency evaluations. Certificate No. 1058, expires 24 February 2020. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 12:55:27 -0800 From: "Karen J. Matheson" <mathesonkarenj@gmail.com> To: TGF List <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TGF] Gen Proof Study Group Graduates Message-ID: <CAOPd0gD7PSipYVNwzhh7XRnYrmHuarpv8vYqYvLPEtVyVdd2eg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I would like to acknowledge the latest graduates of the Gen Proof Study Group #48, mentored by Liz Stratton - Renita Ford-Collier, Michele McVay Levandoski, Michele Doyle, JoEllen Coldwell Schaffer, and Christine Goodenough Roberts. Congratulations! If you would like to know more about the Gen Proof Study Group (the study of Tom Jones' book, *Mastering Genealogical Proof*, see our website genproofstudy.org. Read the home page and the instructions on the "How it Works" tab. Thanks, Karen Matheson, Administrator Gen Proof Study Groups ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 ***************************************************************

Sorry, I sent the wrong URL. It is http://www.genproof.org/ On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Karen J. Matheson <mathesonkarenj@gmail.com > wrote: > I would like to acknowledge the latest graduates of the Gen Proof Study > Group #48, mentored by Liz Stratton - Renita Ford-Collier, Michele McVay > Levandoski, Michele Doyle, JoEllen Coldwell Schaffer, and Christine > Goodenough Roberts. Congratulations! > > If you would like to know more about the Gen Proof Study Group (the study > of Tom Jones' book, *Mastering Genealogical Proof*, see our website > genproofstudy.org. Read the home page and the instructions on the "How it > Works" tab. > > Thanks, > > Karen Matheson, Administrator > Gen Proof Study Groups >

I would like to acknowledge the latest graduates of the Gen Proof Study Group #48, mentored by Liz Stratton - Renita Ford-Collier, Michele McVay Levandoski, Michele Doyle, JoEllen Coldwell Schaffer, and Christine Goodenough Roberts. Congratulations! If you would like to know more about the Gen Proof Study Group (the study of Tom Jones' book, *Mastering Genealogical Proof*, see our website genproofstudy.org. Read the home page and the instructions on the "How it Works" tab. Thanks, Karen Matheson, Administrator Gen Proof Study Groups