The Boston University Genealogical Research Certificate program through the Continuing Professional Education part of BU is now only offered online. When we wrote the program in 2008 it was first offered on campus in 2009 for 14 consecutive Saturdays. It was quickly adapted to the online delivery system that many universities use. The course is now 15 weeks online and has 5 modules, each with a different instructor and teaching team. Each module MUST be completed within the allotted time and is graded separate from the other modules. Passing grades in each of the 5 modules plus an overall average grade of no less than B- is necessary to receive the certificate. There is a lot of online reading since the text is presented in the software. As you read the text you will encounter self-tests and places where an assignment must be done and turned in by a certain date for grading. There are discussion boards which each teaching team will tell you whether it is part of a grade or not. Students find they spend an average of 30 to 40 hours per week, every week, for 15 weeks. Don't let the marketing company who takes the phone calls tell you any different. There are some live chat sessions and some videos but text materials (email, reading, assignments, discussions, etc.) are still the major communication devises. If you wanted to ease into online learning, BU offers an "Essentials" course which is not only shorter but less intensive (and less expensive). For the Certificate course, there is a 10% discount if you are a member of APG (which you should be anyway!) Best wishes, Elissa BU instructor, 2008-2016, in modules 1 and 5 Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Renita Collier Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:14 AM Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com> To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER > ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one > year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It > is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I > would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU > program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? > Thanks! > > > Rebecca Hockaday > > www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The classes were online and you use online sources, books and research you have done. The feedback was private and there are set dates when assignments are due. Before you move make sure you have all the course books there are several. This was my first training experience I've been a hobbyist 10+ years. I was thinking of getting certified and this was my readiness test. Wow, I found out in the first session I needed the training. They give you a cross section of research you will probably do at some point. I am Black and my research has been in Iowa and Missouri. I had not done anything like the research they are teaching. The course is in-depth but the knowledge I've learned has been invaluable. I have been solving research or finding new people with ease. My mentor suggested I take Boston and Progen if I was able to afford them. I now suggest the same even if you do not get certified. The training is what helps you research your own family. On Mar 25, 2017 10:14 AM, "Renita Collier" <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com> wrote: Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com> To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I > am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan > as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that > clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply > for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional > readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? > Thanks! > > > Rebecca Hockaday > > www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I took both the Boston University program and ProGen. I would highly recommend the Boston program as well. They complement each other and provide a great foundation. elaine stone-arthur, BU OL-4 -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Hockaday Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 12:20 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? Thanks! Rebecca Hockaday www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I > am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan > as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that > clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply > for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional > readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? > Thanks! > > > Rebecca Hockaday > > www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? Thanks! Rebecca Hockaday www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com>

Thanks Melissa for bringing up this topic! And, Elizabeth and Elissa, I am in awe of your generosity in taking the time to elucidate in great detail the finer points of report writing. This is so helpful to me. I was floundering and did not know where to turn. And I imagine there are others. In gratitude, Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Mar 24, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Melissa Finlay <melissa@finlayfamily.org<mailto:melissa@finlayfamily.org>> wrote: ESP :) Elissa, your reply "counts" a lot, and is very helpful to me. Are your courses/lectures on writing as you go available for purchase online? Do you put anything besides source citations in the footnotes? I have debated this in my mind and am unsure of the answer. Melissa Finlay melissa@finlayfamily.org<mailto:melissa@finlayfamily.org> www.finlayfamily.org On Mar 24, 2017, at 10:07 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/transitional-genealogists-forum or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process (Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL) 2. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process (Dianne Holley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:06:17 -0400 From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> To: "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process Message-ID: <010801d2a4b0$314572c0$93d05840$@PowellGenealogy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. Hopefully this will help, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM Ms. Mills, What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you ? Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:07:00 -0500 From: Dianne Holley <Dianne@HolleyArt.com> To: "'Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL'" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com>, "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process Message-ID: <004701d2a4b8$abe89590$03b9c0b0$@HolleyArt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks, Elissa - I have gratefully listened to your excellent presentation for APG - and look forward to doing to again. When I first started thinking about graduating to "genealogist" Helen Leary told me that she just "...wrote it all out in Word!" I wish I could say it hasn't taken me years to wrap my brain around this method ??... While I believe it is a logical and efficient way to work, acquiring the ability feels like trying to eat a whole sandwich at once. Besides, more folks than just myself really appreciate the "ESP" in genealogy. Best regards, Dianne Holley dianne@cmemories.us Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL Sent: March 24, 2017 10:06 To: 'Ann Watson' <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. Hopefully this will help, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM Ms. Mills, What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you ? Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. 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YES it counts a ton that you are ESP — !!! ☺️ Thank you so much for more explanation. I am using as a template the template you gave us at BU and in your presentation “Writing as you go”. The only thing I have not figured out is that some times, I cannot figure out or write everything “as I go”, especially when the case involves making charts, timelines, etc. in order to see things and sort out the data. I seem to have to do this before being able to write a proof argument or discussion about what all the data leads to. I like your quote: any of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Your and Elizabeth’s explanations today have done a lot to help me not feel so confused and hopefully I will not struggle so much with report writing (at least maybe not EVERY time! ????) All the best, Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL <Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com<mailto:Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com>> wrote: I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. Hopefully this will help, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com<http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth, You have no idea how helpful this is. It is actually reassuring to me that it is not cut and dried! First, your statement that “it is rarely possible to mount a proof argument on the basis of one block of research” was reassuring. I am already finding that, because the people that have come to me in Vermont so far are already stuck and up against a brick wall, so the projects I am presented with are taking "multiple blocks of work.” Secondly, your explanation of putting another section in really clarifies a lot for me: - When we feel we need to "explain the research" (say, the methodology used), then in the report, before we launch into "Research Findings," we can insert a section that we call "Methodology Used.” ….etc. I had been thinking I had to fit all the explanations into comments after each document, which of course was not working at all when I had a discussion to present. Thank you ever so much for this lengthy and detailed explanation! Best, Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Mar 24, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net<mailto:eshown@comcast.net>> wrote: Good question, Ann. But the answer is not going to be as cut-and-dried as you'd like. In fact, it's likely to be "long and convoluted." ???? In a report for one block of research, when we feel we need to "explain the research," our decision on placement depends upon what it is we need to explain. There is no one hard, fast, rule that covers every situation. For example: - If we need to explain something about a source from which we take several records, then a logical place to put the discussion would be at the point where we introduce that source. - If we need to explain something about one record from that source, then we can place that discussion under "Comments" after we present the record. - When we feel we need to "explain the research" (say, the methodology used), then in the report, before we launch into "Research Findings," we can insert a section that we call "Methodology Used." When it comes to proof arguments, that's another set of circumstances. In my experience, it's rarely possible to mount a proof argument on the basis of one block of research. In the areas and time frames in which I work, meeting the first criteria of the Genealogical Proof Standard—reasonably exhaustive research—usually takes multiple blocks of work. That said, a general framework might be this: If we can meet the GPS in a single block of research, then in the place of an Executive Summary, we might (a) label that section: "Proof Summary" and then bullet point the several pieces of uncontested direct evidence that supports our conclusion. (b) label that section: "Proof Argument" and then proceed to develop the case we've built with an assemblage of conflicting, indirect, or negative evidence. After this "Proof Summary" or "Proof Argument" (with each piece of evidence documented), then we would proceed with the section "Research Findings," wherein we report to the client, document by document, each item we examined and found. If the proof argument has gelled across several research segments, and we feel we've finally found the last piece of the puzzle to do a proof argument—but we don't have time to do the proof argument in that block the client has paid for--then we might - present the raw evidence under "Research Findings" and - tell the client (under the brief "Executive Summary" and/or "Further Work") that these new findings can be correlated with findings from previous research to build a case that solves the problem. You can suggest that as the next step in the research process and estimate the number of hours it will take to develop that proof argument. In the latter situation, you might also ask the client if s/he would be interested in submitting that proof argument to your state journal or a national journal (depending upon the complexity of the problem), so that the evidence for XYZ will become a matter of record for others working on that family. Publishing your proof argument will help to combat wild speculation that others make on online trees, and can be good publicity for your skills as a problem solver. The bottom line is that every situation is different. If you've gone through some of the reports I've posted, you've see that there's a general pattern but each report handles some issue differently. As with the published case studies, the way we "get a feel for what decision to make in this-or-that-case" is by studying as many examples as possible of reports others have written. If we dissect those other examples (be they case studies or reports), if we define the particular issues involved, analyze how they're handled, and study why or how the approach works (or doesn't!), we'll soon reach the point that we feel comfortable in making our own decisions. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG HistoricPathways.com<http://HistoricPathways.com> EvidenceExplained.com AUTHOR/EDITOR OF Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace Professional Genealogy: A Manual for Researchers, Writers, Editors, Lecturers & Librarians The Forgotten People: Cane River’s Creoles of Color & other works on research methodology & Southern history -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 7:23 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Elizabeth Shown Mills research report process Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com>

Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com>

Good question, Ann. But the answer is not going to be as cut-and-dried as you'd like. In fact, it's likely to be "long and convoluted." ???? In a report for one block of research, when we feel we need to "explain the research," our decision on placement depends upon what it is we need to explain. There is no one hard, fast, rule that covers every situation. For example: - If we need to explain something about a source from which we take several records, then a logical place to put the discussion would be at the point where we introduce that source. - If we need to explain something about one record from that source, then we can place that discussion under "Comments" after we present the record. - When we feel we need to "explain the research" (say, the methodology used), then in the report, before we launch into "Research Findings," we can insert a section that we call "Methodology Used." When it comes to proof arguments, that's another set of circumstances. In my experience, it's rarely possible to mount a proof argument on the basis of one block of research. In the areas and time frames in which I work, meeting the first criteria of the Genealogical Proof Standard—reasonably exhaustive research—usually takes multiple blocks of work. That said, a general framework might be this: If we can meet the GPS in a single block of research, then in the place of an Executive Summary, we might (a) label that section: "Proof Summary" and then bullet point the several pieces of uncontested direct evidence that supports our conclusion. (b) label that section: "Proof Argument" and then proceed to develop the case we've built with an assemblage of conflicting, indirect, or negative evidence. After this "Proof Summary" or "Proof Argument" (with each piece of evidence documented), then we would proceed with the section "Research Findings," wherein we report to the client, document by document, each item we examined and found. If the proof argument has gelled across several research segments, and we feel we've finally found the last piece of the puzzle to do a proof argument—but we don't have time to do the proof argument in that block the client has paid for--then we might - present the raw evidence under "Research Findings" and - tell the client (under the brief "Executive Summary" and/or "Further Work") that these new findings can be correlated with findings from previous research to build a case that solves the problem. You can suggest that as the next step in the research process and estimate the number of hours it will take to develop that proof argument. In the latter situation, you might also ask the client if s/he would be interested in submitting that proof argument to your state journal or a national journal (depending upon the complexity of the problem), so that the evidence for XYZ will become a matter of record for others working on that family. Publishing your proof argument will help to combat wild speculation that others make on online trees, and can be good publicity for your skills as a problem solver. The bottom line is that every situation is different. If you've gone through some of the reports I've posted, you've see that there's a general pattern but each report handles some issue differently. As with the published case studies, the way we "get a feel for what decision to make in this-or-that-case" is by studying as many examples as possible of reports others have written. If we dissect those other examples (be they case studies or reports), if we define the particular issues involved, analyze how they're handled, and study why or how the approach works (or doesn't!), we'll soon reach the point that we feel comfortable in making our own decisions. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG HistoricPathways.com EvidenceExplained.com AUTHOR/EDITOR OF Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace Professional Genealogy: A Manual for Researchers, Writers, Editors, Lecturers & Librarians The Forgotten People: Cane River’s Creoles of Color & other works on research methodology & Southern history -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 7:23 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Elizabeth Shown Mills research report process Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Elissa - I have gratefully listened to your excellent presentation for APG - and look forward to doing to again. When I first started thinking about graduating to "genealogist" Helen Leary told me that she just "...wrote it all out in Word!" I wish I could say it hasn't taken me years to wrap my brain around this method ????... While I believe it is a logical and efficient way to work, acquiring the ability feels like trying to eat a whole sandwich at once. Besides, more folks than just myself really appreciate the "ESP" in genealogy. Best regards, Dianne Holley dianne@cmemories.us Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL Sent: March 24, 2017 10:06 To: 'Ann Watson' <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. Hopefully this will help, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. Hopefully this will help, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM Ms. Mills, What I do not “get” and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. Thank you — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ESP :) Elissa, your reply "counts" a lot, and is very helpful to me. Are your courses/lectures on writing as you go available for purchase online? Do you put anything besides source citations in the footnotes? I have debated this in my mind and am unsure of the answer. Melissa Finlay melissa@finlayfamily.org www.finlayfamily.org > On Mar 24, 2017, at 10:07 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to > transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/transitional-genealogists-forum > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process > (Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL) > 2. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process (Dianne Holley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:06:17 -0400 > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> > To: "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > Message-ID: <010801d2a4b0$314572c0$93d05840$@PowellGenealogy.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> > > As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. > > Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. > > The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. > > Hopefully this will help, > > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM > > Ms. Mills, > > What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. > > I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. > > Thank you ? Ann > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:07:00 -0500 > From: Dianne Holley <Dianne@HolleyArt.com> > To: "'Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL'" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com>, > "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > Message-ID: <004701d2a4b8$abe89590$03b9c0b0$@HolleyArt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks, Elissa - I have gratefully listened to your excellent presentation for APG - and look forward to doing to again. > > When I first started thinking about graduating to "genealogist" Helen Leary told me that she just "...wrote it all out in Word!" > I wish I could say it hasn't taken me years to wrap my brain around this method ??... While I believe it is a logical and efficient way to work, acquiring the ability feels like trying to eat a whole sandwich at once. > > Besides, more folks than just myself really appreciate the "ESP" in genealogy. > > Best regards, > > Dianne Holley > dianne@cmemories.us > Austin, TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > Sent: March 24, 2017 10:06 > To: 'Ann Watson' <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > > I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> > > As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. > > Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. > > The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. > > Hopefully this will help, > > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM > > Ms. Mills, > > What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. > > I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. > > Thank you ? Ann > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 11, Issue 82 > ***************************************************************

ESP :) Elissa, your reply "counts" a lot, and is very helpful to me. Are your courses/lectures on writing as you go available for purchase online? Do you put anything besides source citations in the footnotes? I have debated this in my mind and am unsure of the answer. Melissa Finlay melissa@finlayfamily.org www.finlayfamily.org > On Mar 24, 2017, at 10:07 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to > transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/transitional-genealogists-forum > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process > (Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL) > 2. Re: ESMIlls research report writing process (Dianne Holley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:06:17 -0400 > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> > To: "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > Message-ID: <010801d2a4b0$314572c0$93d05840$@PowellGenealogy.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> > > As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. > > Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. > > The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. > > Hopefully this will help, > > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM > > Ms. Mills, > > What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. > > I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. > > Thank you ? Ann > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:07:00 -0500 > From: Dianne Holley <Dianne@HolleyArt.com> > To: "'Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL'" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com>, > "'Ann Watson'" <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > Message-ID: <004701d2a4b8$abe89590$03b9c0b0$@HolleyArt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks, Elissa - I have gratefully listened to your excellent presentation for APG - and look forward to doing to again. > > When I first started thinking about graduating to "genealogist" Helen Leary told me that she just "...wrote it all out in Word!" > I wish I could say it hasn't taken me years to wrap my brain around this method ??... While I believe it is a logical and efficient way to work, acquiring the ability feels like trying to eat a whole sandwich at once. > > Besides, more folks than just myself really appreciate the "ESP" in genealogy. > > Best regards, > > Dianne Holley > dianne@cmemories.us > Austin, TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > Sent: March 24, 2017 10:06 > To: 'Ann Watson' <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] ESMIlls research report writing process > > I am not ESM but I am ESP. I hope that counts a little. <g> > > As many of you know I have also taught in courses and lectures about the "Writing as You Go" method of writing reports so that it is a living document that you work with and not a stand-alone end product to be produced from your research actions. Many of you have also heard me say, "Let the data speak to how it wants to be presented." This means that in the framework of the headings for standard research reports you are free to be creative about other presentations within the report. Standards among these options are timelines, proof arguments, charts, graphs, maps, etc. Anything that helps you communicate to the reader 1.) the story of the subjects of the research, and 2.) the story of the research conducted. You can create these sections as you need them. That is why, although we all may start out with the same research report template, every report will look a bit different. > > Therefore to your particular questions about proof arguments, you can create a section in the "Research Notes" to discuss a certain question with its sources, their merits, the information, and what it all means, coming to a conclusion which you can use in the narrative "Summary of Research Findings" (or whatever you call it) section. Never put a proof argument in footnotes where the sources are documented. > > The Summary is a succinct narrative giving the answer to the research question that was the goal of the report. If the reader wants to know more and how you arrived at that final assessment, then they need to read the Research Notes section which is where all the "meat" of the report is. Negative findings, positive, discussion of the quality of the sources, etc. are in this section which can also act like a research log since it should all be in there -- written as you did the research. > > Hopefully this will help, > > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Ann Watson > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:12 AM > > Ms. Mills, > > What I do not ?get? and am struggling with in my reports is, if you have a complex situation and need to write discussion or proof or lack thereof, explaining the research, where does that go? I have been putting that sort of thing in my comments about each source, but there is no narrative to follow in that case and I think it is really confusing and ends up being too much and too complicated. > > I am really having a hard time with this. My reports end up being really long and convoluted. > > Thank you ? Ann > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 11, Issue 82 > ***************************************************************

I agree with Melissa - would love to see this class on a webinar - lots of travel just isn't in my budget right now. ---- Melissa Finlay <melissa@finlayfamily.org> wrote: > Melanie, Jill and Elizabeth, > > Thank you for the additional tips and insights. As I study and practice this type of report writing, I feel like this is THE element that has been missing from my research efforts for 26 years. It truly is the most efficient, cohesive, and easily-referenced way I have ever tried to record my research. I appreciate each of you willingly mentoring those of us who are working our way to the next level in the field. > > Elizabeth, your "Information Overload" class is at the very top of my list of classes I want to take. Unfortunately, I cannot make it to NGS-Raleigh this year. Perhaps at a future conference, or even a webinar event? > > Melissa Finlay > www.finlayfamily.org > > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 1:16 PM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Send TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM mailing list submissions to > > transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/transitional-genealogists-forum > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > transitional-genealogists-forum-owner@rootsweb.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills > > (Elizabeth Shown Mills) > > 2. Re: Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills > > (Dianne Holley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:51:38 -0500 > > From: "Elizabeth Shown Mills" <eshown@comcast.net> > > To: <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown > > Mills > > Message-ID: <044101d2a406$80fed8b0$82fc8a10$@comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Melissa, > > > > No. I do not maintain a separate research log for each family. I long ago > > decided that doing so was of minimal value--and even misleading to me in > > retrospect-because each research effort is based on a certain set of > > parameters. Certain people, certain associates, certain presumed facts. > > Those parameters are not the same for everyone in the family and new people > > are continually being added who would not have been covered by earlier > > research in this-or-that item on my log. > > > > The research reports that you've found at HistoricPathways follows the > > template I've used since about 1980. When I bought my laptop, in the > > mid-to-late 80s, I began the > > "write-the-research-report-as-you-do-your-research" practice that many now > > use. I follow this practice not just for client work but for my own family > > research. I follow it for online research as well as onsite work. > > > > Although some circumstances or types of problems call for a different > > organization, etc., the basic process is this: > > > > Step 1: > > As I analyze the research problem I'm about to tackle, I create the > > "background" information--identifying > > - the person who is being researched > > - the key "facts" upon which the research will be built > > - the key associates > > - any problems that my analysis has revealed in the set of 'facts' upon > > which prior research is built > > - any limitations on the project > > - sources to be searched (a to-do list) > > > > Step 2: > > Onsite (which includes online), I open a "Research Notes" section and, as I > > use each item on my source list, I start a "research note," in which I > > create > > - a full citation to that source; > > - comments on any problems I observe with that source; > > - whatever findings the source yielded (I make abstracts or transcripts > > here); and > > - my analytical observations about what I've just found, how it fits or > > conflicts with something known or believed, and any additional work it might > > suggest. > > > > When I finish using each source, I move that item off my to-do list and at > > it to the tail end of my report, under a header such as "Resources Used." > > If the search of that item yielded negative results, I add a note there to > > say so. If there were individuals or items I might need to investigate > > further in that source, I'll add whatever note or comment or details needed > > at the point I come back to this. (And, of course, any analytical comment > > that is attached to an abstract or a transcript, must be clearly separated > > from the abstract or the transcript, so that my thoughts aren't mixed into > > the actual details from the document. I typically add my comments in a > > block indent, headed by the word "COMMENT," so readers of the report will > > clearly know that this is my personal comment, not part of the original.) > > > > Step 3: > > When research is done, I reread the whole report I had created right there > > onsite (or online). I reevaluate the thoughts I recorded at the moment I > > used each source, given that later findings might have altered a > > possibility. Or, more often, something I found later will link with > > something found earlier, to create new insight and new possibilities that I > > need to comment upon in the report. > > > > Step 4: > > When all the analysis is done, I go back to the first page, below the > > "Background" section and add an "Executive Summary" to hit the high points > > of what I found, concluded, or dismissed from further consideration. > > > > Step 5: > > I create a new "Further Research" section at the end of the report. Any > > unexamined resources left on my initial to-do list will be moved to this new > > research plan--if they are still relevant. New items are added to the new > > plan on the basis of what I learned from this block of research. (When I > > come back to this research project, I then take this work plan from the end > > of the last report, open up a new report for the new block of research, and > > plug in the plan that I created at the end of the last report.) > > > > > > After the report is finished, I do one more thing for each person who is key > > to my research. A bit of background explanation might be needed here. .... > > > > Those of you who have seen some of the reports at my HistoricPathways site > > also will have seen two distinctively different critters: > > (a) research reports; and > > (b) individual research notes for specific individuals (examples: William > > Cooksey; George, John, and Thomas Watts; Samuel Witter) > > > > A research report is a technical account of one specific block of > > research-just the work done in that one block. However, for our key people > > and key associates, we also need a summary of all information we have found > > on that person to-date-incorporating all the the different blocks of > > research we have done. The standard "biography" that is created by gen > > software does not fill this need. In the creation of those relational > > database biographies, we extract a "fact" here and a "fact" there and plug > > them together into designated fields, weaving facts into a narrative with > > either the software's boilerplate or else our own thoughts. The result is a > > nice narrative, but it too-often leaves us wondering whether a specific > > document actually said those words or whether it was our supposition back > > then when we didn't know as much as we do now. > > > > So, for each key person I'm seriously working on, I want a means by which I > > can see all the abstracts or transcripts I have accumulated for this > > person--exactly what the record says--in chronological sequence, together > > with my clearly separate analyses of each finding. That's what the > > individual "research notes summaries" do for me. Consequently, when I > > finish a report on a block of research, I do cut-and-paste to transfer each > > new finding to my "notes summary" on each key person--plugging it in > > wherever it belongs in the chronology. > > > > Incidentally, at NGS-Raleigh, I'm slated to do a session on this topic, > > "Information Overload? Effective Project Management, Research, Data > > Management & Analysis." It's a topic I've done twice before at one > > conference or another, so it won't be new to some of you. The accompanying > > syllabus material goes into a lot more detail about the process I outlined > > above--and the session itself details processes that there wasn't enough > > room for in the 4-page syllabus material. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > > HistoricPathways.com > > EvidenceExplained.com > > > > AUTHOR/EDITOR OF > > Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian > > Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace > > Professional Genealogy: A Manual for Researchers, Writers, Editors, > > Lecturers & Librarians > > The Forgotten People: Cane River's Creoles of Color > > & other works on research methodology & Southern history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM > > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Melissa Finlay > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:40 AM > > To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills > > > > As I work towards becoming a professional genealogist, I am carefully > > studying the research reports (and articles about writing them) shared so > > generously by Elizabeth Shown Mills on the Historic Pathways website, > > Evidence Explained website, and the APG website. My question for Elizabeth, > > and any others who write reports in this manner: does the report also serve > > as your research log? It seems to be robust enough to me to fill the job of > > report and log. Keeping a separate log seems redundant to me with this type > > of report. > > I am learning so much from studying these reports and writing after the same > > pattern. Thank you for sharing them. > > > > Melissa Finlay > > www.finlayfamily.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:16:28 -0500 > > From: Dianne Holley <Dianne@HolleyArt.com> > > To: "'Elizabeth Shown Mills'" <eshown@comcast.net>, > > <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown > > Mills > > Message-ID: <034501d2a409$f93c3860$ebb4a920$@HolleyArt.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Thank you, Elizabeth!! > > > > Dianne Holley > > dianne@cmemories.us > > Austin, TX > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM > > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Elizabeth Shown Mills > > Sent: March 23, 2017 13:52 > > To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills > > > > Melissa, > > > > No. I do not maintain a separate research log for each family. I long ago > > decided that doing so was of minimal value--and even misleading to me in > > retrospect-because each research effort is based on a certain set of > > parameters. Certain people, certain associates, certain presumed facts. > > Those parameters are not the same for everyone in the family and new people > > are continually being added who would not have been covered by earlier > > research in this-or-that item on my log. > > > > The research reports that you've found at HistoricPathways follows the > > template I've used since about 1980. When I bought my laptop, in the > > mid-to-late 80s, I began the > > "write-the-research-report-as-you-do-your-research" practice that many now > > use. I follow this practice not just for client work but for my own family > > research. I follow it for online research as well as onsite work. > > > > Although some circumstances or types of problems call for a different > > organization, etc., the basic process is this: > > > > Step 1: > > As I analyze the research problem I'm about to tackle, I create the > > "background" information--identifying > > - the person who is being researched > > - the key "facts" upon which the research will be built > > - the key associates > > - any problems that my analysis has revealed in the set of 'facts' upon > > which prior research is built > > - any limitations on the project > > - sources to be searched (a to-do list) > > > > Step 2: > > Onsite (which includes online), I open a "Research Notes" section and, as I > > use each item on my source list, I start a "research note," in which I > > create > > - a full citation to that source; > > - comments on any problems I observe with that source; > > - whatever findings the source yielded (I make abstracts or transcripts > > here); and > > - my analytical observations about what I've just found, how it fits or > > conflicts with something known or believed, and any additional work it might > > suggest. > > > > When I finish using each source, I move that item off my to-do list and at > > it to the tail end of my report, under a header such as "Resources Used." > > If the search of that item yielded negative results, I add a note there to > > say so. If there were individuals or items I might need to investigate > > further in that source, I'll add whatever note or comment or details needed > > at the point I come back to this. (And, of course, any analytical comment > > that is attached to an abstract or a transcript, must be clearly separated > > from the abstract or the transcript, so that my thoughts aren't mixed into > > the actual details from the document. I typically add my comments in a > > block indent, headed by the word "COMMENT," so readers of the report will > > clearly know that this is my personal comment, not part of the original.) > > > > Step 3: > > When research is done, I reread the whole report I had created right there > > onsite (or online). I reevaluate the thoughts I recorded at the moment I > > used each source, given that later findings might have altered a > > possibility. Or, more often, something I found later will link with > > something found earlier, to create new insight and new possibilities that I > > need to comment upon in the report. > > > > Step 4: > > When all the analysis is done, I go back to the first page, below the > > "Background" section and add an "Executive Summary" to hit the high points > > of what I found, concluded, or dismissed from further consideration. > > > > Step 5: > > I create a new "Further Research" section at the end of the report. Any > > unexamined resources left on my initial to-do list will be moved to this new > > research plan--if they are still relevant. New items are added to the new > > plan on the basis of what I learned from this block of research. (When I > > come back to this research project, I then take this work plan from the end > > of the last report, open up a new report for the new block of research, and > > plug in the plan that I created at the end of the last report.) > > > > > > After the report is finished, I do one more thing for each person who is key > > to my research. A bit of background explanation might be needed here. .... > > > > Those of you who have seen some of the reports at my HistoricPathways site > > also will have seen two distinctively different critters: > > (a) research reports; and > > (b) individual research notes for specific individuals (examples: William > > Cooksey; George, John, and Thomas Watts; Samuel Witter) > > > > A research report is a technical account of one specific block of > > research-just the work done in that one block. However, for our key people > > and key associates, we also need a summary of all information we have found > > on that person to-date-incorporating all the the different blocks of > > research we have done. The standard "biography" that is created by gen > > software does not fill this need. In the creation of those relational > > database biographies, we extract a "fact" here and a "fact" there and plug > > them together into designated fields, weaving facts into a narrative with > > either the software's boilerplate or else our own thoughts. The result is a > > nice narrative, but it too-often leaves us wondering whether a specific > > document actually said those words or whether it was our supposition back > > then when we didn't know as much as we do now. > > > > So, for each key person I'm seriously working on, I want a means by which I > > can see all the abstracts or transcripts I have accumulated for this > > person--exactly what the record says--in chronological sequence, together > > with my clearly separate analyses of each finding. That's what the > > individual "research notes summaries" do for me. Consequently, when I > > finish a report on a block of research, I do cut-and-paste to transfer each > > new finding to my "notes summary" on each key person--plugging it in > > wherever it belongs in the chronology. > > > > Incidentally, at NGS-Raleigh, I'm slated to do a session on this topic, > > "Information Overload? Effective Project Management, Research, Data > > Management & Analysis." It's a topic I've done twice before at one > > conference or another, so it won't be new to some of you. The accompanying > > syllabus material goes into a lot more detail about the process I outlined > > above--and the session itself details processes that there wasn't enough > > room for in the 4-page syllabus material. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > > HistoricPathways.com > > EvidenceExplained.com > > > > AUTHOR/EDITOR OF > > Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian Evidence Explained: > > Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace Professional Genealogy: > > A Manual for Researchers, Writers, Editors, Lecturers & Librarians The > > Forgotten People: Cane River's Creoles of Color & other works on research > > methodology & Southern history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM > > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Melissa Finlay > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:40 AM > > To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills > > > > As I work towards becoming a professional genealogist, I am carefully > > studying the research reports (and articles about writing them) shared so > > generously by Elizabeth Shown Mills on the Historic Pathways website, > > Evidence Explained website, and the APG website. My question for Elizabeth, > > and any others who write reports in this manner: does the report also serve > > as your research log? It seems to be robust enough to me to fill the job of > > report and log. Keeping a separate log seems redundant to me with this type > > of report. > > I am learning so much from studying these reports and writing after the same > > pattern. Thank you for sharing them. > > > > Melissa Finlay > > www.finlayfamily.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 11, Issue 72 > > *************************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The NGS Conference brochure (http://2b2b1u1oad04904yo1jc1ri1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/NGS-2017-Conference-Registration-Brochure.pdf) provides the information that Playback Now will be recording lectures - as permitted by the speakers, so not all lectures will be available. The recordings "will be available by Streaming, MP3 Downloads, and Portable Media (MP3 Thumbdrives and MP3 CDs). Recordings will be available at the conference and from the Playback Now website (http://www.playbacknow.com) or from Playback Now’s free mobile app." AnnS On 3/23/2017 4:30 PM, Elizabeth Shown Mills wrote: > Diane wrote: >> Perhaps her presentation will be included in the NGS Conference Live > Streaming. I've watched the last 2 or 3 years and it's a terrific way to > get to participate when you can't be physically present. > > Diane, NGS definitely did have a wonderful idea with those live-streaming > sessions! > > Yes, I'll be doing one of the live-streaming sessions-Friday at 11:00, if I > recall correctly. However, that one is "What's the Evidence? How to Probe > Documents beyond the Obvious." For this, the principles will be illustrated > primarily with examples from late-colonial and early-republic records, using > a problem-riddled DAR application as the springboard. > > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank You Elizabeth, for being a great mentor and asset to this profession! -- Create /Your/ Family's Legacy with Heroes of the Past <http://www.heroesofthepast.com> Family History problems solved Record Retrieval ** Individual Coaching (Dallas, TX) Speaking/Training ** Photography

Karen - NGS will announce the live streaming - in the past there have been two tracks - I think one was $85.00 and both were $135.00 (don't hold me to that - genealogy takes up most of the retrieval space in my brain!). I think it is a huge bargain. In the past subscribers to the live-streaming have been able to re-watch the courses for 2-3 months - an added boon... >From my personal experience - it is a real bargain. Regards, Dianne -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rhodes Sent: March 23, 2017 15:25 To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills Dianne, When the event is near, would you be so kind as to post information on how to access the live streaming? I'd dearly love to see some of the presentations, including Elizabeth's, of course! But I can't make it to the conference this year. Thanks! Karen Packard Rhodes Middleburg, Clay County, Florida On 3/23/2017 3:46 PM, Dianne Holley wrote: > Perhaps her presentation will be included in the NGS Conference Live > Streaming. I've watched the last 2 or 3 years and it's a terrific way > to get to participate when you can't be physically present. > > Dianne Holley > dianne@cmemories.us > Austin, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow - Elizabeth - that sounds great! I can't wait! Thanks, again! Dianne Holley dianne@cmemories.us Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Shown Mills Sent: March 23, 2017 15:31 To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Studying the research reports of Elizabeth Shown Mills Diane wrote: >Perhaps her presentation will be included in the NGS Conference Live Streaming. I've watched the last 2 or 3 years and it's a terrific way to get to participate when you can't be physically present. Diane, NGS definitely did have a wonderful idea with those live-streaming sessions! Yes, I'll be doing one of the live-streaming sessions-Friday at 11:00, if I recall correctly. However, that one is "What's the Evidence? How to Probe Documents beyond the Obvious." For this, the principles will be illustrated primarily with examples from late-colonial and early-republic records, using a problem-riddled DAR application as the springboard. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message