Wait a bit. I know that Gedmatch had some issues this weekend, so it is possible that they are behind on processing. Pauline Merrick Brookfield, MA ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Carole Ashbridge <momhrhtq@yahoo.com> To: Transitional Genealogists <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TGF] Gedmatch Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Curious as to how long to wait before needing to delete and start over on Gedmatch. I uploaded 2 FTDNA files Saturday afternoon and am still seeing this notice: Kits marked with * have not been tokenized and have not completed batch processing.  Is this a typical length of time for files to be processed or do I need to be more patient. A friend uploaded 2 Ancestry files and was able to see results within 5 minutes. Thanks, Carole Carole L. Ashbridge, MLS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Curious as to how long to wait before needing to delete and start over on Gedmatch. I uploaded 2 FTDNA files Saturday afternoon and am still seeing this notice: Kits marked with * have not been tokenized and have not completed batch processing.  Is this a typical length of time for files to be processed or do I need to be more patient. A friend uploaded 2 Ancestry files and was able to see results within 5 minutes. Thanks, Carole Carole L. Ashbridge, MLS

Cheryl, the link isn’t broken. As noted in an earlier exchange with Renita, The URL in my message to Ann appears at the end of a sentence. Following it is a period that closes out the sentence. When one-or-another mail processor turned the typed URL into a hotlink, it grabbed the sentence’s period also. Remove that sentence period that should not be part of the hotlink and the URL works. Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mailto:cmproctor1@frontier.com [mailto:cmproctor1@frontier.com] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:32 PM To: Elizabeth Shown Mills <mailto:eshown@comcast.net>; mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Formatting research reports When I tried to access your link it was broken. Is ere another way to view this? Cheryl Proctor On Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:05 PM, Elizabeth Shown Mills <mailto:eshown@comcast.net> wrote: Ann, if you need "evidence" to support your side of this argument, here's a link https://historicpathways.com/download/WattsFairfieldKershawCravenCamdenRev1.pdf. Start on p. 11 and count the number of times I've "sinned" against your friend's Thou-shalt-not. :) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG http://www.HistoricPathways.com http://www.EvidenceExplained.com

When I tried to access your link it was broken.  Is ere another way to view this? Cheryl Proctor On Sunday, March 26, 2017 4:05 PM, Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net> wrote: Rob, a pox on any genealogist who would relegate a " 'but' and 'however' or 'probably' or 'as a working theory' to  a footnote"!  Footnotes are for source citations--not for relevant discussions. :)  Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:13 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Formatting research reports Hi Ann, I'd never say "never" but it is good to be aware of the dangers of bullet points.  Edward Tufte, not a genealogist but a statistician well-known for his books on presenting information, put out a pamphlet called, "The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint:  Pitching Out Corrupts Within."  It is worth reading.  One of his observations was that the use of bullet points risks oversimplifying complex thoughts.  By avoiding full sentences and summarizing in bullets we tend to lose modifiers that qualify our conclusions, the "but" and "however" or "probably" or "as a working theory."  Or such qualifications get relegated to a footnotes where they are ignored by the reader.  Although he was focused on the risks of bullet points in corporate presentations, I think a similar risk exists when writing a genealogical report as well. Of course, this does not mean that all bullet points are bad.  But you need to look at how they function within an overall report to support a well-reasoned argument. Regards, -Rob On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ann Watson <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a > report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it > should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is > a wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I deleted the period and it worked. Thank you. From: Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net> To: 'Renita Collier' <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [TGF] Formatting research reports #yiv9847891161 #yiv9847891161 -- _filtered #yiv9847891161 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9847891161 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9847891161 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9847891161 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 4 2 4 2 2 3;}#yiv9847891161 #yiv9847891161 p.yiv9847891161MsoNormal, #yiv9847891161 li.yiv9847891161MsoNormal, #yiv9847891161 div.yiv9847891161MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv9847891161 a:link, #yiv9847891161 span.yiv9847891161MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9847891161 a:visited, #yiv9847891161 span.yiv9847891161MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9847891161 p.yiv9847891161msonormal0, #yiv9847891161 li.yiv9847891161msonormal0, #yiv9847891161 div.yiv9847891161msonormal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv9847891161 span.yiv9847891161EmailStyle19 {color:windowtext;}#yiv9847891161 span.yiv9847891161SpellE {}#yiv9847891161 .yiv9847891161MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv9847891161 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9847891161 div.yiv9847891161WordSection1 {}#yiv9847891161 Renita, I see below that when e-mail turned that URL into a hyperlink, it included the sentence’s period—and another space after that--as part of the hyperlink. Drop the period and the extra space at the end and it should work.  Elizabeth  From: Renita Collier [mailto:thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:13 PM To: Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Formatting research reports  Elizabeth,  I am getting an error message on the link you included.   Renita  From: Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Formatting research reports  Ann, if you need "evidence" to support your side of this argument, here's a link.  https://historicpathways.com/download/WattsFairfieldKershawCravenCamdenRev1.pdf. Start on p. 11 and count the number of times I've "sinned" against your friend's Thou-shalt-not. ???? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ann Watson < ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a > report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it > should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is > a wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message  

Elizabeth, I am getting an error message on the link you included.  Renita From: Elizabeth Shown Mills <eshown@comcast.net> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Formatting research reports Ann, if you need "evidence" to support your side of this argument, here's a link.  https://historicpathways.com/download/WattsFairfieldKershawCravenCamdenRev1.pdf. Start on p. 11 and count the number of times I've "sinned" against your friend's Thou-shalt-not. ???? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ann Watson < ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a > report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it > should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is > a wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is a wide chart. Thanks — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com>

Rob, a pox on any genealogist who would relegate a " 'but' and 'however' or 'probably' or 'as a working theory' to a footnote"! Footnotes are for source citations--not for relevant discussions. :) Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:13 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Formatting research reports Hi Ann, I'd never say "never" but it is good to be aware of the dangers of bullet points. Edward Tufte, not a genealogist but a statistician well-known for his books on presenting information, put out a pamphlet called, "The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within." It is worth reading. One of his observations was that the use of bullet points risks oversimplifying complex thoughts. By avoiding full sentences and summarizing in bullets we tend to lose modifiers that qualify our conclusions, the "but" and "however" or "probably" or "as a working theory." Or such qualifications get relegated to a footnotes where they are ignored by the reader. Although he was focused on the risks of bullet points in corporate presentations, I think a similar risk exists when writing a genealogical report as well. Of course, this does not mean that all bullet points are bad. But you need to look at how they function within an overall report to support a well-reasoned argument. Regards, -Rob On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ann Watson <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a > report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it > should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is > a wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Agree with Harold. The only "rules" are in _Genealogy Standards_ where the best practices of our field have been placed. Reports need to be clear to the reader about what exactly you found, and what is your thought process. Page orientation does not matter. Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Harold Henderson Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:39 PM Ann -- No. No. However, it is a very good idea to clearly distinguish between your account of what the information is and your comments about it. Standard 26 says, "Genealogists’ notes clearly distinguish abstracted, quoted, and transcribed source content from their own comments, descriptions, interpretations, paraphrases, and summaries of that content." Harold Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net Genealogical writing and editing Current research and writing: Mozley 1800-1950 England/PA/WI Lowe 1770-1950 England/NYC/IL Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ann Watson < ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a > report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it > should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is > a wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann

Hi Ann, I'd never say "never" but it is good to be aware of the dangers of bullet points. Edward Tufte, not a genealogist but a statistician well-known for his books on presenting information, put out a pamphlet called, "The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within." It is worth reading. One of his observations was that the use of bullet points risks oversimplifying complex thoughts. By avoiding full sentences and summarizing in bullets we tend to lose modifiers that qualify our conclusions, the "but" and "however" or "probably" or "as a working theory." Or such qualifications get relegated to a footnotes where they are ignored by the reader. Although he was focused on the risks of bullet points in corporate presentations, I think a similar risk exists when writing a genealogical report as well. Of course, this does not mean that all bullet points are bad. But you need to look at how they function within an overall report to support a well-reasoned argument. Regards, -Rob On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Ann Watson <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a report, > when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it should be text > rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is a > wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, if you need "evidence" to support your side of this argument, here's a link. https://historicpathways.com/download/WattsFairfieldKershawCravenCamdenRev1.pdf. Start on p. 11 and count the number of times I've "sinned" against your friend's Thou-shalt-not. ???? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ann Watson < ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a > report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it > should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is > a wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, did you ask the person for their evidence to support that assertion? ???? Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Watson Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 12:30 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Formatting research reports Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a report, when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it should be text rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is a wide chart. Thanks — Ann Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann -- No. No. However, it is a very good idea to clearly distinguish between your account of what the information is and your comments about it. Standard 26 says, "Genealogists’ notes clearly distinguish abstracted, quoted, and transcribed source content from their own comments, descriptions, interpretations, paraphrases, and summaries of that content." Harold Harold Henderson, Certified Genealogist ® midwestroots.net Genealogical writing and editing Current research and writing: Mozley 1800-1950 England/PA/WI Lowe 1770-1950 England/NYC/IL Flint/Gedney 1800-1950 IL/MO Thrall 1792-1934 VT/OH/IL On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ann Watson < ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> wrote: > Someone recently told me that in the Research Notes section of a report, > when there is a comment by the researcher/genealogist, it should be text > rather than bullets. ??? Is this a rule? > > Also I was told that the page orientation should be portrait, not > landscape. Is this a rule? Someones I make them landscape if there is a > wide chart. > > Thanks — Ann > > > Family Pictures Genealogy > Ann D. Watson > ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> > www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Ricki for your insight. I am ready for this challenge. :-) Renita Collier From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com> To: Renita Collier <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? The classes were online and you use online sources, books and research you have done. The feedback was private and there are set dates when assignments are due. Before you move make sure you have all the course books there are several. This was my first training experience I've been a hobbyist 10+ years. I was  thinking of getting certified and this was my readiness test. Wow, I found out in the first session I needed the training. They give you a cross section of research you will probably do at some point. I am Black and my research has been in Iowa and Missouri. I had not done anything like the research they are teaching. The course is in-depth but the knowledge I've learned has been invaluable. I have been solving research or finding new people with ease.My mentor suggested I take Boston and Progen if I was able to afford them. I now suggest the same even if you do not get certified. The training is what helps you research your own family. On Mar 25, 2017 10:14 AM, "Renita Collier" <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com> wrote: Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier       From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com>  To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists- forum@rootsweb.com  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM  Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I > am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan > as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that > clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply > for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional > readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? > Thanks! > > > Rebecca Hockaday > > www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http ://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> > > ------------------------------ - > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS- FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS- FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS- FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Elissa. This helps me see how to plan my enrollment. I definitely want to take the course, but a summer enrollment would be the best for me. As a teacher, I am quite busy throughout most of the year, especially in the spring with all of the state mandated tests. I am not presently a member of APG, as I have just recently decided to take the next logical step in my genealogical pursuit. However, I am enrolled in several genealogical societies. I've been reading, critiquing, and analyzing articles with a NGSQ group for the last year. I plan on becoming a member of APG in the near future. Again, thank you, for responding to my inquiry. I know I have a lot of work ahead of me, but I am up for the challenge.  Renita Collier From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@PowellGenealogy.com> To: 'Renita Collier' <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:37 AM Subject: RE: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? The Boston University Genealogical Research Certificate program through the Continuing Professional Education part of BU is now only offered online. When we wrote the program in 2008 it was first offered on campus in 2009 for 14 consecutive Saturdays. It was quickly adapted to the online delivery system that many universities use. The course is now 15 weeks online and has 5 modules, each with a different instructor and teaching team. Each module MUST be completed within the allotted time and is graded separate from the other modules. Passing grades in each of the 5 modules plus an overall average grade of no less than B- is necessary to receive the certificate. There is a lot of online reading since the text is presented in the software. As you read the text you will encounter self-tests and places where an assignment must be done and turned in by a certain date for grading. There are discussion boards which each teaching team will tell you whether it is part of a grade or not. Students find they spend an average of 30 to 40 hours per week, every week, for 15 weeks. Don't let the marketing company who takes the phone calls tell you any different. There are some live chat sessions and some videos but text materials (email, reading, assignments, discussions, etc.) are still the major communication devises. If you wanted to ease into online learning, BU offers an "Essentials" course which is not only shorter but less intensive (and less expensive). For the Certificate course, there is a 10% discount if you are a member of APG (which you should be anyway!) Best wishes, Elissa BU instructor, 2008-2016, in modules 1 and 5 Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 25-30 June 2017 and 16-21 July 2017 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. Certified Genealogist and the board name are trademarks registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Renita Collier Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:14 AM Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier       From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com> To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen?   I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER > ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one > year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It > is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I > would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU > program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? > Thanks! > > > Rebecca Hockaday > > www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Ann. That helps. Renita Collier From: Ann Watson <ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> To: Renita Collier <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com> Cc: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? BU is all online, there is no “in person” program.It was very in depth. Set up like ProGen, and the interface works really well. As I recall I think we used Blackboard. Family Pictures GenealogyAnn D. Watsonann@familypicturesgenealogy.comwww.familypicturesgenealogy.com On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Renita Collier <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com> wrote: Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier      From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com> To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? Thanks! Rebecca Hockaday www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

BU is all online, there is no “in person” program. It was very in depth. Set up like ProGen, and the interface works really well. As I recall I think we used Blackboard. Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Renita Collier <thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com<mailto:thegenealogygrandma@gmail.com>> wrote: Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com<mailto:kingrickidsm@gmail.com>> To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com<mailto:rhocky@hotmail.com>> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com<mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com<mailto:rhocky@hotmail.com>> wrote: Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? Thanks! Rebecca Hockaday www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com><http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes and you get feedback from the experts at BU. Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com<mailto:kingrickidsm@gmail.com>> wrote: I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com<mailto:rhocky@hotmail.com>> wrote: Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? Thanks! Rebecca Hockaday www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com><http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it would be great to do it after ProGen. I did it in fall 2015 and am doing ProGen now. It will give you a very rich set of projects and skills to work on! Family Pictures Genealogy Ann D. Watson ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com<mailto:ann@familypicturesgenealogy.com> www.familypicturesgenealogy.com<http://www.familypicturesgenealogy.com> On Mar 25, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com<mailto:rhocky@hotmail.com>> wrote: Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? Thanks! Rebecca Hockaday www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com><http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ricki, Did you take the Boston University classes online? I would like to enroll in the certificate program, but I am not sure how in depth that would be if it were all done online. Would love to hear about your experience with how the communication and classes were handled. Thank you, Renita Collier From: Ricki King <kingrickidsm@gmail.com> To: Rebecca Hockaday <rhocky@hotmail.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Boston University after ProGen? I have already taken the Boston University class and will be finishing ProGen in June. There is some repeat of chapters but they are handled in different ways. I also submitted my portfolio in December. I would suggest taking the Boston course. I have learned so much from both and it has been worth it. The Boston course gave me the confidence I was ready to submit and Progen reinforced it plus helped with the business side. One gives professional instructor feedback and the other peer feedback each helping you to grow. I'll also be taking the Excelsior course in the future. I feel the more you learn the better you will be in your research. Ricki On Mar 24, 2017 11:21 PM, "Rebecca Hockaday" <rhocky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone taken the Boston Universtiy Certificate program AFTER ProGen? I > am finishing ProGen in a few months and will be spending one year in Japan > as a trailing spouse (and kids) beginning June 2017. It is clear that > clients would be diffiuclt to retain while in Japan. I would like to apply > for BCG when ready and am wondering if the BU program offers any additional > readiness for the BCG portfolio that ProGen did not already address? > Thanks! > > > Rebecca Hockaday > > www.hockadaygenealogy.com<http://www.hockadaygenealogy.com> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message