What has happened here is that the affected person clicked on a link from someone's email address that he/she trusted. Turns out that email address had been hijacked. It isn't actually a virus, and it doesn't do anything to your computer. It just hijacks the email address and uses it to send out more links to the contacts it finds. I did this, and all I had to do to stop it was change the password for my affected email account. Worked like a charm. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeannette Maxey Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:05 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 message 1 Warning MEssage 1 - below contains a virus!!! Be careful I don't know what this message will do to your computer but it is grabbing peoples email address and sending it on. ----- Original Message ----- From: <transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com> To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. fwd: (Tina Sansone) > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messag

Warning MEssage 1 - below contains a virus!!! Be careful I don't know what this message will do to your computer but it is grabbing peoples email address and sending it on. ----- Original Message ----- From: <transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com> To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. fwd: (Tina Sansone) >

I got this email this morning from the Georgia Archives regarding Georgia's Virtual Vault. We do not know how much longer it will be down. Unfortunately, several hard drives on the Virtual Vault server failed. They have been replaced and data is being restored and indexed, but it appears that the collection pages were lost and will have to be recreated. At this time we cannot anticipate how long that will take. In the meantime, the previous version of the Virtual Vault has been restored to the website as a temporary fix until the collection pages from the current version can be reconstructed. Please check the Archives main page at www.georgiaarchives.org and click on the Virtual Vault button. Because the collections are still being restored and indexed not all of the search functions work. Service may be intermittent as updates take place. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please note, if you are using a bookmark, it is taking you to the non-working version. Please go to the Archives website and select Virtual Vault from there. michele

I am the one that it hijacked, but from experience have learned NOT to click on links, etc. But twice recently I have been hacked. I have AVG excellent protection and I change my passwords and I do not click on links such as they send.  Not really sure what else to do. I am thinking of getting rid of my yahoo email as that is the one it seems to get. Again, sorry to everyone.  I am open to any other suggestions for protecting my email.  Tina SansoneTN Genealogical Society, Vice Presidenthttp://www.tngsblog.orgGenealogy@Bellaonline.com --- On Wed, 9/26/12, Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> wrote: From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TGF] Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 message 1 To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 9:36 AM What has happened here is that the affected person clicked on a link from someone's email address that he/she trusted.  Turns out that email address had been hijacked.  It isn't actually a virus, and it doesn't do anything to your computer.  It just hijacks the email address and uses it to send out more links to the contacts it finds.  I did this, and all I had to do to stop it was change the password for my affected email account.  Worked like a charm.  Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeannette Maxey Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:05 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 message 1 Warning MEssage 1 - below contains a virus!!! Be careful  I don't know what this message will do to your computer but it is grabbing peoples email address and sending it on. ----- Original Message ----- From: <transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com> To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > >   1.  fwd: (Tina Sansone) > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messag The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a nurse too! Maybe that is why I am so interested in the medical side of things :) :) :) Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denise Sproed Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:01 PM To: TGF List Subject: [TGF] Why kids died While it is always a point of curiosity for me, as I nurse I've come to recognize that we do not always remember how blessed we are to live in the 2010's rather than the 1880's. Diptheria, Typhoid, Measles, Pertussis, Pneumonia and Tuberculosis were common life threatening diseases. Even tonsilitis, untreatable with antibiotics back then, could potentially be life threatening. Glomerulonephritis, also known as Bright's Disease, was a common aftermath of a strep infection. Today people have a sore throat and find they have Strep - no problem they take antibiotics. Back in the old days they might recover from the Strep but die as a young person from the Glomerulonephritis sequelae. I am a firm advocate of vaccinations - I've read the family histories where multiple children died of diseases that we hardly even encounter these days. My mom had a younger sister born in 1944. The complication of childbirth that occurred would be detected and more rapid intervention would have occurred today. Babies still die in childbirth but not nearly so many as the old days. And mother's still die from DIC (Disseminated intravascular coagulation) but not nearly so often. The following obituary from 1873 describes what I believe was the sequelae of DIC when they didn't know how to do anything to treat it. Death - On Ollille, in Ten Mile precinct, at two o'clock on the morning of March 20, 1873, Ann, wife of Edmund Gage, aged about 35 years. The immediate cause of her death was extreme hemorrhage of the teeth and gums. Mrs. Gage was the daughter of James Cox of Deer Creek and highly esteemed by all who knew her. She leaves 8 children, the youngest but a few days old. Her bereaved husband, relatives and friends have the sympathy of the whole community. The Plaindealer (Roseburg, OR) 21 Mar 1873 Also, the baby mentioned as born in the preceding obituary is one whose death is mentioned in the following: Gone - We are pained to chronicle the death of one of our oldest and most esteemed citizens, Mrs. Gage, sister of Mr. Thomas Livingstone. Mrs. Gage crossed the plains with her husband and family in 1844, and settled in this country in 1850, where she continued to reside until last July when she removed to Umatilla County with her family, and died at that place on the 25th day of April 1878. We also learn that the family of Mr. Ed Gage has been sorely afflicted, having recently lost two bright, intelligent little girls, one four and the other six years of age, while several other members were not expected to live. They were sick with that terrible disease--diptheria. The bereaved families have the sympathies of a host of old friends in this part of the state. The Plaindealer (Roseburg, OR) 18 May 1878 Denise Sproed in Oregon A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists  

It is certainly possible. She died in 1905 when she was 38. Too early for a death certificate and there was nothing in the paper. Michele From: cmproctor1@frontier.com [mailto:cmproctor1@frontier.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:10 PM To: Michele Lewis; TGF Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] Why kids died Michele, Was the mother a diabetic? I had the same question concerning why a particular couple had 6 children and only one grew to adulthood. While looking for something else, I came across the answer for my question about the babies dying. They all died of problems related to diabetes. The mother died in her twenties of diabetes, also. Just a thought. Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: TGF Mailing List <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: [TGF] Why kids died I have a couple in the last 1800s that had several of their children die. They lost one at 4 months, one at 5 months, one at 2 years, one at 1 year, one at 1 year 5 months, and one at age 15. They also lost one at age 26 [died with kidney failure after an appendectomy]. They had 2 that lived to adulthood. There are 2 more that I can't trace. When you see a bunch of babies/children die in the same family (but not at the same time like an illness wiping out several at once) what do you think? Coincidental deaths? All died of the same thing? Something wrong with the children genetically or hereditarily? I doubt that I will ever know since there were no death certificate (except for the one that made it to age 26). It just makes we wonder. This woman would lose a baby every couple of years. I can't even imagine. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michele, I would suggest working on her collateral lines.  Someone somewhere may have just what you are looking for.   Anything is possible. Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: cmproctor1@frontier.com; 'TGF Mailing List' <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:49 AM Subject: RE: [TGF] Why kids died It is certainly possible.  She died in 1905 when she was 38.  Too early for a death certificate and there was nothing in the paper.   Michele     From:cmproctor1@frontier.com [mailto:cmproctor1@frontier.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:10 PM To: Michele Lewis; TGF Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] Why kids died   Michele, Was the mother a diabetic?  I had the same question concerning why a particular couple had 6 children and only one grew to adulthood.  While looking for something else, I came across the answer for my question about the babies dying.  They all died of problems related to diabetes.  The mother died in her twenties of diabetes, also. Just a thought.   Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana   From:Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: TGF Mailing List <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: [TGF] Why kids died I have a couple in the last 1800s that had several of their children die. They lost one at 4 months, one at 5 months, one at 2 years, one at 1 year, one at 1 year 5 months, and one at age 15.  They also lost one at age 26 [died with kidney failure after an appendectomy].  They had 2 that lived to adulthood.  There are 2 more that I can't trace. When you see a bunch of babies/children die in the same family (but not at the same time like an illness wiping out several at once) what do you think? Coincidental deaths?  All died of the same thing?  Something wrong with the children genetically or hereditarily?    I doubt that I will ever know since there were no death certificate (except for the one that made it to age 26). It just makes we wonder.  This woman would lose a baby every couple of years.  I can't even imagine. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 9/25/2012 11:12 AM, Tony Proctor wrote: > The problem with "legal sanction" and/or "legislation" is that you're > thinking from a US point of view Karen. Well, we often perceive things from our own viewpoint and bailiwick, do we not? And the U.S. is not the only country that has governmental regulation, either. > Implementing those in the US would > have a divisive effect and may burden US researchers specialising in other > countries, or even researchers outside the US who need to access US-based > resources. Possibly, but not necessarily. But what effect would regulations have in Great Britain, or France, or Spain? > Certification and qualification, on the other hand, work because > they are voluntarily recognised internationally. There is no issue of > jurisdiction. [ I am wearing my international hat, here, as a FHISO > representative ] And a number of professions can be self-policing, especially those which do not enter into the realms of affecting life and limb! > Most of my own historical research is connected with UK and Ireland, with > some smaller amount in the US. I am sure most of the people on this mailing > list will be looking at multiple countries so that sort of formal control is > likely to have undesirable side-effects. Undesirable side effects are always a possibility, alas. > Another subject that hasn't been folded into this melting-pot is the issue > of academic research, as opposed to genealogical research. I know there are > authors on this list, and their research may be in the fields of techniques, > historical events, standards, globalisation, software, etc. How do these > stand in relation to the term "professional"? > As a historian-in-training, I'm aware that professionalism in that field is influenced by academic degrees. I don't know yet whether I'm going to go for my Ph.D. or not -- I am 65 years old and not from a long-lived family -- but that would certainly help stature as a historian. I am a member of the American Historical Association. Karen Packard Rhodes currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida

You make a good point, Traci. However, once certified, a librarian has the reasonable expectation of sustained employment. Surveys have shown most genealogists don't depend on research hours for their livelihood. I believe the reason is lack of demand for genealogical research services. Due to the sporadic nature of demand, a reasonable investment in genealogical research education is warranted. For the general population of genealogists, investing in a degree program so they could be termed "professional" would not likely result in a favorable cost/benefit ratio. Bonnie Dunphy Kohler South Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Traci Thompson" <TThompson@Braswell-Library.org> >I am considered a "professional librarian." I am considered such not > because I like to read, not because of my experience, not because I get > paid, etc., but because I followed a prescribed educational path and > earned a particular degree. Then, in order to practice my profession in > a public arena, I was required by my state to apply for a certain > certificate, which also hinged on my educational attainments. > > This system has seemed to work fairly well for librarianship, and since > I come from this mindset, I don't have an issue with certain educational > goals, degrees, or certificates being required for one to be considered > a "professional genealogist" (or, professional family historian.) > [snipped]

Hi Ann http://history.ky.gov/pdf/Publications/KentuckyAncestorsv46.n1.pdf Congratulations, Ann -- you are a great inspiration! I can't print it out fast enough ........ on the internet as per above. All the best. Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa -------------------------------------------------- From: <AGilchrest@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:53 PM To: <librarytraveler@gmail.com> Cc: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Need help with a bio > The article, "The Search for Robert Jefferson Richardson's Parents" was > published in Kentucky Ancestors volume 46, no. 1 autumn 2010 > > > In a message dated 25-Sep-12 11:35:52 Mountain Daylight Time, > librarytraveler@gmail.com writes: > > Ann -- > > Congratulations! Can you give us the citation so we can look it up? > > As for the bio, my tendency would be to mention other publications, as > well as talks or whatever else you do genealogically. Keep it short, > though, > just enough to leave them wanting more! And check what others have done > there in KA for their bios. > > Harold > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:19 PM, <_AGilchrest@aol.com_ > (mailto:AGilchrest@aol.com) > wrote: > > I need some help with what to put in a short biographical description > about myself. I was just notified that I was selected to receive the > Anne > Walker Fitzgerald Award for an article I wrote that was published in > Kentucky > Ancestors. > > Needless to say I am stunned. I didn't even know they gave awards for > articles! They have asked that I write a short biographical description > about > myself including how I started researching and writing I have done. The > article I won the award for was my first. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Ann > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > _TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com_ > (mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com) with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Harold Henderson _midwestroots.net_ (http://midwestroots.net/) > Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana > Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Michele, Was the mother a diabetic?  I had the same question concerning why a particular couple had 6 children and only one grew to adulthood.  While looking for something else, I came across the answer for my question about the babies dying.  They all died of problems related to diabetes.  The mother died in her twenties of diabetes, also. Just a thought.   Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: TGF Mailing List <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: [TGF] Why kids died I have a couple in the last 1800s that had several of their children die. They lost one at 4 months, one at 5 months, one at 2 years, one at 1 year, one at 1 year 5 months, and one at age 15.  They also lost one at age 26 [died with kidney failure after an appendectomy].  They had 2 that lived to adulthood.  There are 2 more that I can't trace. When you see a bunch of babies/children die in the same family (but not at the same time like an illness wiping out several at once) what do you think? Coincidental deaths?  All died of the same thing?  Something wrong with the children genetically or hereditarily?    I doubt that I will ever know since there were no death certificate (except for the one that made it to age 26). It just makes we wonder.  This woman would lose a baby every couple of years.  I can't even imagine. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While it is always a point of curiosity for me, as I nurse I've come to recognize that we do not always remember how blessed we are to live in the 2010's rather than the 1880's. Diptheria, Typhoid, Measles, Pertussis, Pneumonia and Tuberculosis were common life threatening diseases. Even tonsilitis, untreatable with antibiotics back then, could potentially be life threatening. Glomerulonephritis, also known as Bright's Disease, was a common aftermath of a strep infection. Today people have a sore throat and find they have Strep - no problem they take antibiotics. Back in the old days they might recover from the Strep but die as a young person from the Glomerulonephritis sequelae. I am a firm advocate of vaccinations - I've read the family histories where multiple children died of diseases that we hardly even encounter these days. My mom had a younger sister born in 1944. The complication of childbirth that occurred would be detected and more rapid intervention would have occurred today. Babies still die in childbirth but not nearly so many as the old days. And mother's still die from DIC (Disseminated intravascular coagulation) but not nearly so often. The following obituary from 1873 describes what I believe was the sequelae of DIC when they didn't know how to do anything to treat it. Death - On Ollille, in Ten Mile precinct, at two o'clock on the morning of March 20, 1873, Ann, wife of Edmund Gage, aged about 35 years. The immediate cause of her death was extreme hemorrhage of the teeth and gums. Mrs. Gage was the daughter of James Cox of Deer Creek and highly esteemed by all who knew her. She leaves 8 children, the youngest but a few days old. Her bereaved husband, relatives and friends have the sympathy of the whole community. The Plaindealer (Roseburg, OR) 21 Mar 1873 Also, the baby mentioned as born in the preceding obituary is one whose death is mentioned in the following: Gone - We are pained to chronicle the death of one of our oldest and most esteemed citizens, Mrs. Gage, sister of Mr. Thomas Livingstone. Mrs. Gage crossed the plains with her husband and family in 1844, and settled in this country in 1850, where she continued to reside until last July when she removed to Umatilla County with her family, and died at that place on the 25th day of April 1878. We also learn that the family of Mr. Ed Gage has been sorely afflicted, having recently lost two bright, intelligent little girls, one four and the other six years of age, while several other members were not expected to live. They were sick with that terrible disease--diptheria. The bereaved families have the sympathies of a host of old friends in this part of the state. The Plaindealer (Roseburg, OR) 18 May 1878 Denise Sproed in Oregon A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists   The web page I made for my parents is at:  http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/   My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sproed/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site   User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/

Sometimes I have found the cause of death in cemetery interment records (even in 1800s) but NOT always. Erica Voolich On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Bonnie Kohler <kohlerbj@bellsouth.net>wrote: > I've heard harsh winters compromised the viability of infants. > > Bonnie Dunphy Kohler > > Michele writes: > > When you see a bunch of babies/children die in the same family (but not at > the same time like an illness wiping out several at once) what do you > think? > Coincidental deaths? All died of the same thing? Something wrong with > the > children genetically or hereditarily? > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/

I won't speak for the original post, but will address points made in Jillaine's interpretation and the implications. IF some are proposing that genealogy create a licensing system (so the government doesn't) and that without such a license a person would be legally prevented from charging fees, and prosecuted if they did, exactly "how" would that work?? The only way a person could be prosecuted was if the government WAS involved and passed legislation making it illegal for someone to charge fees without the required "Genealogy License." Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of "not wanting the government involved and why genealogy needs to do it"? Or, are those who propose that genealogy needs to create a licensing system want genealogists (which ones???) to write a list of codes/requirements needed to practice genealogy? To have any "teeth" they would need some legislator to sponsor a bill and get Congress to pass a law of "requirements to practice genealogy" as written by genealogists, rather than legislators. Considering the way bills are rewritten, have things added and deleted, could you "reasonably" expect the final version taken to Congress to look remotely like what genealogists originally proposed? I doubt it. I think there are plenty of laws already to address charlatans and that a licensing system (other than a local business license where required) is not needed. In looking back at Mary's original statement: " I hope we who love our profession....will rise to the top of the discussion and take the reins of leadership to self-regulate through the formal establishment of a profession in genealogy." Again, how does anyone propose that establishing a formal "profession in genealogy" to have any weight in governing beyond those who CHOOSE to join that group without bringing in government regulation, which they appear to want to avoid? There are already APG, BCG, ICAPGen, as well as other such bodies outside of the U.S. that have weight among those who CHOOSE to join those groups and complete any requirements. How would creating a "profession in genealogy" group be any different (and supposedly keep the government from getting involved)? Rick Saunders Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jillaine Smith Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:45 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Who is a Professional? <snip> If I understand her correctly, Mary is saying that if the field of = genealogy does not create a licensing system for those who practice = genealogy services for pay (and we know from her previous posts on this = topic that such licensing would be based on achievement of an academic = degree in Genealogy), then the government will regulate us. I think she = is also saying that by extension, those without such a license would be = legally prevented from charging fees for their services and prosecuted = if they did so.=20 <snip>

Connie said: Although several have mentioned the idea, I don't believe anyone has stated specifically that the definition of the word "professional" depends upon whether the word is used as a noun or an adjective. According to my 1966 edition of Webster's, as a noun it requires money to change hands. As an adjective, it may not. Exactly. Here are two quick draft suggestions that could probably be spiffed into really good descriptions. An avocational genealogist is one who engages in genealogical activities for personal education and pleasure, not as an income-producing pursuit. Some avocational genealogists strive to (1) adhere to professional codes of ethics, and (2) conduct their genealogical pursuits to professional standards. Professional genealogists are engaged in genealogical activities in the pursuit of a part- or full-time job or business. Professional genealogists may belong to business leagues or attain credentials which set professional standards and codes of ethics and conduct. I'd like to suggest folks visit the website of the Association of Independent Information Professionals (AIIP). This business league has been used as an example/model in these discussions in the past. Members are engaged in services probably as close to those of genealogists as possible - information research and management, document retrieval, and consulting. AIIP clearly defines it's purpose and membership: AIIP is the premier industry association for the Independent Information Professional Our membership consists of more than 500 business owners from more than 20 countries around the world. AIIP member firms provide research and consulting services across a wide variety of industries. [http://www.aiip.org/] The organization provides an unambiguous definition of the professional: Independent information professionals use high-level skills in finding, managing, applying, and communicating information, and they pursue their calling with an entrepreneurial spirit. [http://www.aiip.org/WhatIsAnIndependentInfoPro] Membership levels and requirements are clearly defined: http://www.aiip.org/MembershipLevels The organization welcomes associates who are not professionals and students who may find their membership an educational opportunity. But the definition of the professional and the core membership is clearly, unabashedly presented. The full membership distinguishes the professional, the associate level might include avocational researchers. There are folks on this list who belong to AIIP and may be able to clue us in as to whether there is a big, continuous hullabaloo about the definition of a professional within their organization. I'd be really interested in hearing about this. best regards, Dee

I've heard harsh winters compromised the viability of infants. Bonnie Dunphy Kohler Michele writes: When you see a bunch of babies/children die in the same family (but not at the same time like an illness wiping out several at once) what do you think? Coincidental deaths? All died of the same thing? Something wrong with the children genetically or hereditarily?

My email was hacked today. Please do not open anything with a link from me. I am very sorry. Not sure why as I take all precautions.  Tina SansoneTN Genealogical Society, Vice Presidenthttp://www.tngsblog.orgGenealogy@Bellaonline.com --- On Tue, 9/25/12, Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Who is a Professional? To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2012, 12:47 PM Although several have mentioned the idea, I don't believe anyone has stated specifically that the definition of the word "professional" depends upon whether the word is used as a noun or an adjective.  According to my 1966 edition of Webster's, as a noun it requires money to change hands. As an adjective, it may not. Online dictionaries may be fuzzier on that distinction, but the first definitions of the noun always involve payment. I do not claim to be a professional genealogist. I do, however, strive to do professional quality work. As for how others might perceive it, my experience (based upon volunteering on a regular basis at a moderately-sized genealogical library) is that many people don't know "professional genealogists" exist. I don't remember anyone asking me to recommend a "professional genealogist," or ask how they might find one. What they ask is how to solve a problem and then comment "I'd be willing to pay someone to help me." While I always find these discussions fascinating, how to define the word "professional," or whether those who charge money for research should be licensed, distract from the real issues. I believe the more important issues include such questions as: *How do we educate the public as to what to expect when they hire someone? How often do unskilled or underskilled "professionals" lead clients to believe a problem has been solved when it has not, or that they've checked all records and the problem can't be solved? I've seen reports, for example, that do not include recommendations for further research and left the impression all resources were exhausted, when what was checked were census records, cemetery transcriptions, marriage records, the county history, and obituaries. How should the profession respond when such errors are made? *How do we educate all genealogists?  I've seen great strides in this area over the last few years, but there is much to be done. Recently, a person came to the library seeking assistance understanding his DNA results. After a lengthy discussion, it became apparent that he was under the impression that because there had been a court house fire, he'd exhausted all records. I don't recall whether he'd actually hired someone, or had been relying on what he was told by librarians and court house staff. With a little research, I learned the fire had occurred less than 10 years after the county was created. He was amazed to learn that the answers to his problem might be hiding in newspapers, tax lists, the county of origin, more recent records, his ancestor's FAN club, etc. He thought DNA was his only hope. His was a complicated problem, but sometimes, I wonder whether the basics are being lost. A recent request for help that I received on Ancestry's messaging system is an example; I doubt the current crop of cyber-beginning genealogists even know what a query is. I've now asked twice "Please tell me when and where your John Doe lived; there were multiple men named John Doe. I'm happy to try to help you, but without knowing a little more..." *How do we create a market for independent professional genealogists in the age of Ancestry? Notice I said how do we create a market, not how do we market ourselves. If the public knew that "professional genealogists" exist to the extent they know plumbers, handymen, and yoga instructors exist, the only issue would be the latter. It seems to me the profession usually acts as though the issue is marketing oneself, not marketing the profession. Connie Sheets Phoenix, AZ The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The problem with "legal sanction" and/or "legislation" is that you're thinking from a US point of view Karen. Implementing those in the US would have a divisive effect and may burden US researchers specialising in other countries, or even researchers outside the US who need to access US-based resources. Certification and qualification, on the other hand, work because they are voluntarily recognised internationally. There is no issue of jurisdiction. [ I am wearing my international hat, here, as a FHISO representative ] Most of my own historical research is connected with UK and Ireland, with some smaller amount in the US. I am sure most of the people on this mailing list will be looking at multiple countries so that sort of formal control is likely to have undesirable side-effects. Another subject that hasn't been folded into this melting-pot is the issue of academic research, as opposed to genealogical research. I know there are authors on this list, and their research may be in the fields of techniques, historical events, standards, globalisation, software, etc. How do these stand in relation to the term "professional"? Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Rhodes" <bitbucket001@comcast.net> To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Who is a Professional? > On 9/25/2012 8:44 AM, Jillaine Smith wrote: <snip> > Karen Packard Rhodes > currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

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Debra wrote: >Genetics seems less likely to me as a result of finding out the cause for two of the four deaths. Hi, Debra... While the deaths were caused by illness, it could conceivably be that the combination of the parents' genes resulted in a genetic condition which made those children more susceptible to that specific disease or that affected their immune systems in a negative way so that they were more susceptible to disease. Of course, there is no way of proving this, but I do think it is a valid possibility. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg